Republican Debate or How to Talk Out of Both Sides of Your Mouth by SHINYGOODGUY

DALEK!

I watched for a little while. It was just the usually GOP talking points and each person trying to out "right" the other.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, September 23, 2011 7:38 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I never watch, I don't have a strong enough stomach. I can pretty much speak the lines myself in my head, already knowing what I do about the field. As mentioned, they all just get up there to out-right the others, pure unadulterated pandering to the Tea Party and extremists. Every politician does a certain amount of that in the primaries, but, like everything else the current Tea Partiers are forcing the GOP candidates to do, the lies and spin have been enough to make one's head spin these days.

There isn't one of them I can even stomach THINKING about as President. What they would do to this country, especially if they got control of one or both houses, is terrifying. Look what all those governors and legislatures who were swept into office in 2010 have accomplished...that's pretty much all you need to know!

Bachman and Perry in particular are absolutely abhorrent to me--I'd add Palin but she's only pretending, in order to up her speaking fees and get attention. No, actually, thinking about things I've heard from the others, and all those raised hands about evolution, they ALL scare the pants off me. I will once again be ashamed to be an American, just like I was under Bush, if any of them get into office. The world laughed at us and hated us enough last time around; imagine what they would make of one of THESE crazies were our President.

Oh, for the day to come around when I can CHOOSE between two viable candidates, instead of being stuck (seemingly forever) voting for the "lesser of two evils"!

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:00 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

It was such a clear and perfect moment, though, listening to the crowd "Boo" a soldier serving in Iraq. Tells us all we really need to know about the GOP and conservatives in general, doesn't it?

So far in the GOP debates, we've heard so-called conservatives boo active-duty soldiers in a war zone, cheer state-sponsored murder, and yell "Let 'em die!" in regards to those without insurance.

Classy bunch.

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 5:19 AM

America loves a winner!

Funny, there was no where near as much attention paid to Obama at this stage of the '08 election by the Left. Oh, but now that we're at the doorstep of 2012, it's time to trash the Right!

Posting evidence of Obama talking out of both sides of his mouth would result in crickets chirping, followed by an array of through-the-looking-glass explanations as to why when Obama does something, it's ok, but when the GOP does it...omg! They're imbeciles

Any number of candidates from the GOP would be a HUGE improvement over Obama. I laugh at the feeble attempts by a few die hard Lefties to tell us " all is well, remain calm! ", when the country is collapsing at the helm of the 1st Community Organizer of Chief.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 5:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Amazing. Nothing to say, just parroting the slime running around his brain. Ah, well...

What I heard was that it was two guys who dissed the marines, and the rest of the noise was the crowd hissing and booing at THEM to shut up. I think that is far more likely than the entire crowd attacking the Marines. This is a gung-ho-military crowd, and I think that overcomes their hate-the-gay mentality pretty strongly. Personally, I buy it.

But it DOES look like their Messiah, their Shining Star, is slipping down the sky...Awwwww. Bachman must be downright ECSTATIC!

And yeah, I've seen the articles detailing all the lies, side-stepping, "I didn't say that" and other silliness. It means nothing, tho', because you KNOW the crowd eats it up and sees no hypocrisy in any of it...that's what happens when you don't use your brain and just react on gut instinct.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:12 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Mitt Romney is going to be the challenger to Obama next November, and there are a few great VP choices he can make to strengthen the ticket. Perry stumbled badly at the debate, and the new polls show it.

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:18 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Any number of candidates from the GOP would be a HUGE improvement over Obama. I laugh at the feeble attempts by a few die hard Lefties to tell us " all is well, remain calm! ", when the country is collapsing at the helm of the 1st Community Organizer of Chief.

It's almost as laughable as someone running around here yelling "The economy is ON FIRE!" while the whole housing and financial market collapsed under The Great Decider.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 4:24 PM

America loves a winner!

The economy was on fire, before the Democrats took control of Congress.

Moron.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 5:15 PM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

The economy was on fire, before the Democrats took control of Congress.

Moron.

Thanks to GOP deregulation before that, which lead to huge housing and credit bubbles. More so the seeds of this whole mess were very much sewn by Reagan.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:31 PM

Funny you should mention 2008 Elections. Ok, class, could anyone tell Mr. Auraptor what the headline of the day was back in 2008. Hmmmmmmm, was it Near Economic Collapse. If it please the court, I would like to submit into evidence Exhibit A - The man in charge at the beginning of said Economic Turmoil, George W. Bush (cough, cough Cheney). In fact, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I would go as far as saying, the real architects of the New Depression. President Obama, with all his mistakes (I was thoroughly disappointed in his handling of Pakistan bombings, Debt ceiling fiasco, among others) did not cause this. Those who believe he caused the near economic collapse in our country, that nearly toppled the world's economy, are monumentally mistaken and subjected to - everybody - the Sith mind trick (it's somewhat like the Jedi mind trick except for evil, they say it you believe it). You know what they say about the mind trick.

If it please the court, Mr. Auraptor's line of reasoning is irrevelant to the case at hand. I refer to the article presented by yours truly. The Associated Press dateline article that points out the inconsistencies in the participants prior utterences and statements, and how they back pedaled faster than an acrobat in the Ringaling Brothers circus. How denial is not a river in Egypt, but rather a political strategy invoked by those in the circus, er, debate in question. President Obama's mistakes notwithstanding, these so-called debates will hinge greatly, IMHO, on who will be deemed credible enough to become the challenger, within the republican world. This candidate must win over the general populace of voters, those who have not fallen under the spell of the Dark Sith lord (we dare not say his name again), and I dare say that there are republican followers in this country who have not succumbed. Yes, I admit it - there are some middle-of-the-road Americans (God bless 'em) who actually think things through before coming to a decision.

The far right and the far left have their agendas, but it is those middle thinkers that affect change in America. It is they who will decide. It is they that must be swayed, and no amount of back-pedaling, rhetoric or mind tricks will move them to make a poor decision when it comes to the electing the Leader of the Free World. Not even Bachmann and her clever word play.....(ah man, I can't say it with a straight face). This is a woman who once claimed that there is no scientific proof that "can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.” Ok, let's put it to the test. Put her in a sealed room, pump the gas in and see if she comes out of it intact. "Glenn Beck can solve the economic crisis," really? why hasn't he? There are people who believe this woman can run the country. I seriously doubt that. It's a free country, if she wants to run.

Which brings me to Texas Governor Rick Perry. He recently stated, "Washington's insatiable desire to spend our children's inheritance on failed stimulus plans and other misguided economic theories have given us record debt and left us with far too many unemployed," - really? This is the same person, who in 2003 to 2005 secured more than $1.5 Billion in federal funding for the great state of Texas. God knows they need it, but why the about face? Basically it's to appease the Tea Party voters. Much of the monies he appropriated has gone into dubious endeavors: "Much of the money in this provision was directed to an unnamed consortium, which seemed to describe a private-sector partnership operating in the offices of the Texas Energy Center, a Perry-funded project in Sugar Land, Texas. I could go on, but here's the article.........................see for yourself.

http://livenws.blogspot.com/2011/08/how-rick-perry-aggressively-pursue
d.html

This is what I was talking about in my post; kooky utterences, selective memories and complete 180s in the political landscape. It's politics as usual, those who have the money, ill-gotten booty "appropriated" from the Federal goernment (namely John Q. Public, taxpayer), get to play at being president. These candidates a huge improvement? Is that what they told you, and you believe it. No one said they're imbeciles, 'cause, quite frankly, they are sitting in the driver seat. I speak out against abject pandering and fear-mongering to get a vote, especially to the highest office in the world. Pure and simple, the truth will out.

Oh, BTW, I'm an American, born and raised. Thank god it's still a free country.

SGG

Freedom is just another word fro nothing left to lose.

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:45 PM

Agreed. Perry did stumble and Bachmann is this election's Palin ("go sell crazy some place else, we're all stocked up here" Jack Nicholson in As Good As It Gets - great line).

SGG

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:46 PM

I was gonna watch, but, like you, I just couldn't do it.

SGG

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:47 PM

Yeah Kwix, doesn't it make you feel all Patriotic inside.

SGG

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:49 PM

Too true, Niki, too true.

SGG

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Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:58 PM

"The economy was on fire, before the Democrats took control of Congress."

Good point, you're right. Who set it a blaze? Starts with an R. De-regulation and "free enterprise" contributed greatly to the greediest era of modern economic history. It's capitalism at it's finest, but someone made money somewhere.

SGG

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Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:22 AM

DREAMTROVE

Ron Paul

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Sunday, September 25, 2011 4:48 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Ron Paul

Heck, if we're making lists of fictional characters who could never be elected, why not Jesus Christ?

Oh, never mind - conservatives would never vote for a brown-skinned anti-war peacenik who believed in helping the poor and healing the sick. Fuckin' socialist!

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Sunday, September 25, 2011 8:21 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

The choices suck brick. I wish Obama would cut his losses and not run for a second term. My dad was just saying, and he never thought he'd say this a few years ago, that he wishes Hilary Clinton would run, she'd be way better than our current position holder in his opinion, maybe he's right, probably he's right, I feel like she knows the game better. And the Repub candidates? Ug.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, September 26, 2011 2:51 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

The economy was on fire, before the Democrats took control of Congress.

Moron.

Thanks to GOP deregulation before that, which lead to huge housing and credit bubbles. More so the seeds of this whole mess were very much sewn by Reagan.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Wow, you really do live in fantasy land, huh?

It was Bush and the GOP who tried to regulate Fannie and Freddie more,but the Dems who were against it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, September 26, 2011 3:04 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"The choices suck brick."

So you're up against voting for someone who's a stupid, greedy, mean and crazy mofo; a spineless houseboy; or third party. Out of that selection I know who's NOT going to get my vote.

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

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Monday, September 26, 2011 8:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Shiny, that a was a very lovely rant and right on target; enjoyable to read and made me giggle in several places. I thank you.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Monday, September 26, 2011 9:38 AM

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Thanks to GOP deregulation before that, which lead to huge housing and credit bubbles. More so the seeds of this whole mess were very much sewn by Reagan.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Wow, you really do live in fantasy land, huh?

It was Bush and the GOP who tried to regulate Fannie and Freddie more,but the Dems who were against it.

Good for them. They of course were doing that because they don't like the idea of government helping people to get homes.

Fannie and Freddie had little to do with the housing market crash. That was caused by sup-prime lending that banks rolled into investments. The banks could do that because of deregulation, specifically the repeal of the Glass-Steagle act.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Monday, September 26, 2011 10:36 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Good for them. They of course were doing that because they don't like the idea of government helping people to get homes.

Your evidence for this is - where ? I mean, go ahead and ignore the very facts of WHY there needed to be more regulation, and what was being said, by both parties. It was clear that members of the GOP were warning that, if nothing was done to reform the practices, that Fannie and Freddie were headed for a disaster , as it ultimately occurrred. Exactly as they predicted it would.

So, how does that translate to " they don't like the idea of govt helping people get a home " ??

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Fannie and Freddie had little to do with the housing market crash. That was caused by sup-prime lending that banks rolled into investments. The banks could do that because of deregulation, specifically the repeal of the Glass-Steagle act.

Yes, the sub prime lending collapse STARTED with the bundling of bad loans, by who ? Fannie and Freddie.

Wow... why am I wasting my time w/ you ? You clearly don't want to be informed, so much so , you're literally running full speed away from the facts.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, September 26, 2011 11:12 AM