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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
And yet I gotta side with Pirate News here, not just as a consumer of raw milk, but also as someone who has read the constitution, in which it does not say, "And this body will determine what foods people can eat, so that it can ban natural foods because the natural world has disease risks, which being biological in nature have a contagious possibility that the cancer risks of chemically processed food does not, thereby, the right to consume food is not a basic human right, but a power granted to the people by the government which the government can then take away again if it so feels like."

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The judge ruled as part of the case that the plaintiffs did in deed own a dairy farm.

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...and I was speaking about the "General Welfare clause in Section 8, the Powers of Congress.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Riona,

Because formaldehyde is used in the processing. My sister has the same problem/b]

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Yes, but unless the judge has been misquoted, non-commercial use of diary and standards applying to commercial-diary products are generally considered two different things with two different legal standards.

In the law, you must be very careful with your words. Was the judge responding to the dairy farm as a legal entity and it's milk distribution, or the farmer about his personal drinking habits? As represented, "This court is unwilling to declare that there is a fundamental right to consume the food of one's choice," and "no, Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to consume the milk from their own cow," are probably not a correct or valid interpretation of the laws in question.

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It would seem that a law is in affect in Wisconsin.

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I for one have no problem with people owning a cow and drinking the milk.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Diseases that pasteurization can prevent include tuberculosis, brucellosis, diphtheria, scarlet fever, and Q-fever; it also kills the harmful bacteria Salmonella, Listeria, Yersinia, Campylobacter, Staphylococcus aureus, and Escherichia coli 157 among others.

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In the HTST process, milk is forced between metal plates or through pipes heated on the outside by hot water, and is heated to 71.7 °C (161 °F) for 15–20 seconds.

Milk pasteurization has been subject to increasing scrutiny in recent years, due to the discovery of pathogens that are both widespread and heat resistant (able to survive pasteurization in significant numbers).[11] One of these pathogens, Mycobacterium avium subsp. paratuberculosis (MAP), is linked in research by F. Autschbach and colleagues to Crohn's Disease.[12]

Pasteurization destroys some enzymes as well as possibly-beneficial microbes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
How'd you find that? I'm usually pretty good at tracking this stuff down, so I'm somewhat chagrined I didn't find what was there to be found.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I think the whole matter is asinine.

Okay, when you go to a restaurant, look on the menu, see that little disclaimer about consuming raw or undercooked foods, and how it prettymuch declares that to be your own responsibility ?

Note that you can still order your steak rare, yes ?

Same solution applies here - why an *ISSUE* is being made of it, seems to be more corporate pressure against them as a possible competitor than any actual health risk, and the over-the-top response (seriously, a fucking SWAT team?) all but confirms it, since that's a specific intimidation tactic rather than anything required by the situation.

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Or it could be that people consume milk more often and in larger quantities then raw foods

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I doubt that a huge portion of women who breastfeed their babies do it with the express purpose of showing off their breasts.

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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Thousands of people stripped to their underwear and ran through Salt Lake City to protest what they called the "uptight" laws of Utah.

Undie Run organizer Nate Porter says the goal of the event Saturday was to organize people frustrated by the conservative nature of the state's politics.

Nudity was prohibited by organizers. Participants donned bras, panties, nightgowns, swimwear or colorful boxer shorts — and some added political messages by expressing support for causes like gay marriage on their chests, backs or legs.

Salt Lake City is the home of the Mormon church, which is a vocal opponent of gay marriage.

Porter estimates 3,000 people participated in the run, which began in downtown Salt Lake City and circled past the state Capitol building about a mile away.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
They have the right to do it, just like nudists, and I have the right to think they're idiotic, irrational, and raving.

Just hearing one of them talking about how magical and mystical breastfeeding is makes me want to vomit my brain out my ears.

I don't like babies, and I don't like anything that has to DO with babies. It's frikkin' BIOLOGY. Half the population on Earth is capable of lactating, and bearing children. It is not magical or beautiful! It is filled with blood and pain and indigestion, and a tiny creature feeding off your insides with all the pleasing physical aesthetic of a toad - squat, wide mouth, hairless, big eyes.

But more than that I probably wouldn't even care if they didn't make a huge damn fuss about it. To listen to them they put themselves on the same level as frikkin' racial segregation, and seeing their spoiled damn privileged fuzzy minded victimhood just makes me grit my teeth.

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