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As Wall Street protest enters 3rd week, movement gains steam nationwide

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Monday, October 3, 2011 3:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


To my surprise, I haven't seen anything on this put up here (except on thread I saw on the arrests, I believe). But I think it might be more important than just that one instance, tho' I don't know enough to judge. Is this something which will continue to grow, or just a flash in the pan?
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A spirited and leaderless protest in the Wall Street section of New York has entered its third week, helping to inspire a growing number of demonstrations united in their passion if not necessarily their reasons for hitting the streets.

The hub of the movement, in Lower Manhattan, was abuzz with activity on Sunday as activists continued to vent their frustrations with everything from "corporate greed" to high gas prices to insufficient health insurance.

No single group or person heads the effort, which has adopted the name "Occupy Wall Street." While a "general assembly" is held daily for those gathered -- be it for a few short hours or by camping out long-term -- to discuss the goings-on and work toward a common mission, the stances being touted currently are diverse.

"We've gathered here in this place ... to shape a statement of what it is we want, and how we're going to get to it," said Robert Segal, one of the New York protesters.

The lack of coherent message has not stopped similar efforts from popping up elsewhere in the United States.

"Occupy Chicago," for instance, entered its 10th day on Sunday, a day after an associated website touted "a huge afternoon march."

The motto atop a website for "Occupy Los Angeles," which kicked off Saturday with a march from Pershing Square to City Hall, reads: "The revolution is happening ... It's just not in the news."

A spirited and leaderless protest in the Wall Street section of New York has entered its third week, helping to inspire a growing number of demonstrations united in their passion if not necessarily their reasons for hitting the streets.

The hub of the movement, in Lower Manhattan, was abuzz with activity on Sunday as activists continued to vent their frustrations with everything from "corporate greed" to high gas prices to insufficient health insurance.

No single group or person heads the effort, which has adopted the name "Occupy Wall Street." While a "general assembly" is held daily for those gathered -- be it for a few short hours or by camping out long-term -- to discuss the goings-on and work toward a common mission, the stances being touted currently are diverse.

"We've gathered here in this place ... to shape a statement of what it is we want, and how we're going to get to it," said Robert Segal, one of the New York protesters.

The lack of coherent message has not stopped similar efforts from popping up elsewhere in the United States.

"Occupy Chicago," for instance, entered its 10th day on Sunday, a day after an associated website touted "a huge afternoon march."

The motto atop a website for "Occupy Los Angeles," which kicked off Saturday with a march from Pershing Square to City Hall, reads: "The revolution is happening ... It's just not in the news."

A spirited and leaderless protest in the Wall Street section of New York has entered its third week, helping to inspire a growing number of demonstrations united in their passion if not necessarily their reasons for hitting the streets.

The hub of the movement, in Lower Manhattan, was abuzz with activity on Sunday as activists continued to vent their frustrations with everything from "corporate greed" to high gas prices to insufficient health insurance.

No single group or person heads the effort, which has adopted the name "Occupy Wall Street." While a "general assembly" is held daily for those gathered -- be it for a few short hours or by camping out long-term -- to discuss the goings-on and work toward a common mission, the stances being touted currently are diverse.

"We've gathered here in this place ... to shape a statement of what it is we want, and how we're going to get to it," said Robert Segal, one of the New York protesters.

The lack of coherent message has not stopped similar efforts from popping up elsewhere in the United States.

"Occupy Chicago," for instance, entered its 10th day on Sunday, a day after an associated website touted "a huge afternoon march."

The motto atop a website for "Occupy Los Angeles," which kicked off Saturday with a march from Pershing Square to City Hall, reads: "The revolution is happening ... It's just not in the news."

There are 34 organizations -- from unions to ethnic organizations to activist groups focused on everything from foreclosure prevention to climate change to justice-related issues -- listed as being involved in a like-minded activist coalition in Boston. This group, which held a festival and march Friday and Saturday and has explicitly targeted Bank of America in recent weeks, states on its website that its aim is to "stop their greed," "fight for an economy that works for all of us" and "build cities that are democratic, just and sustainable."

The website of Seattle demonstrators describes the nationwide effort as "a leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions."

"The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%," the statement continues, referring to what it sees as a sharp divide between the wealthiest Americans and the rest of society.

Most demonstrations thus far have been peaceful and uneventful, though in a few cases they have led to numerous arrests.

The most high-profile such incident came Saturday, when New York police arrested more than 700 protesters who had occupied the iconic Brooklyn Bridge. They were cited for blocking the roadway, authorities said, and eventually released after being given tickets.

The confrontation came as protesters along the road banged drums and chanted, "The whole world is watching" as police moved in.

Paul J. Browne, the deputy commissioner for the New York City Police Department, said they were given "multiple warnings" to stay on the pedestrian walkway and not the main roadway. The incident led to a shutdown of Manhattan-to-Brooklyn bridge traffic for several hours.

Demonstrators have said they take their inspiration from the Arab Spring protests that swept through Africa and the Middle East this year.

The protest campaign -- which uses the hashtag #occupywallstreet on the microblogging site Twitter -- began in July with the launch of a simple campaign website calling for a march and a sit-in at the New York Stock Exchange.

It has gained steam since early September, with crowds taking up residence in a park in New York's financial district and calling for 20,000 people to flood the area for a "few months." In recent weeks, the New York demonstrators have addressed various issues, including police brutality, union busting and the economy. http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/02/business/wall-street-protests/index.html
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Monday, October 3, 2011 5:38 AM

JONGSSTRAW


This type of thing is going to spread to more big cities all through the country like cancer. In a way, it's a long time coming. Lots of people, even conservative semi-retirees in Fla. like me, are still fuming over what Wall Street did in 2008, and the fact that almost no one has been brought to justice for all the absurd criminality that occured.









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Monday, October 3, 2011 7:28 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Well, so long as they still choose to play by rules that the opposition creates, yet is not bound by, this will amount to naught but sound and fury, and not much of that, serving only to present themselves in convenient groupings for abuse and humilation, as well as being put on those "lists" we know all the goons of our society are keeping.

But sooner or later, the outrage is going to trump obedience to the rules of a rigged game, and then...



Only it won't be as clean as all that, since the bastards of our world have "plans" for when this happens, and if allowed to carry them out...
15%-25% casualties, MINIMUM.

This is basically a Mutual-Destruction brinkpoint, if it keeps swelling, cause once it tips over, having any mercy, not FINISHING THE JOB, will allow said bastards *TO* put those last ditch plans in operation, and sadly, at times like those most humans are too good for their own good.

And forgiving them, is unforgivable - letting Nixon slide got us Bush, for example.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, October 3, 2011 12:23 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


We have Occupy Wallstreet rallies in my city. I think its kind of cool that there isn't a single set of demands in the sense that it means that anyone who is pissed at Wallstreet and the government can meet without being chunked into a group. The problem with no specific set of demands or beliefs is that nothing specific will come of it. So that is a double edged sword.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, October 3, 2011 12:26 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Obama's plan to divide the country is working.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, October 3, 2011 1:42 PM

JONGSSTRAW


Funny how they can arrest 700 good Americans for walking, but all the scumbags who stole trillions from our county are joyously carefree and living extremely well. That seems like grounds for revolution to me.







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Monday, October 3, 2011 1:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Remember all that talk from the Left about the angry TEA party mobs, and how 'dangerous' they were ?


Seems even funnier now, huh?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, October 3, 2011 2:08 PM

JONGSSTRAW


If Republicans wanted to try something bold and new, like say, doing something smart, they might try reaching out and embracing these disenchanted folks. A candidate's pledge to use his Justice Dept. to prosecute execs and corporations that stole and committed fraud would be well recieved by almost everyone. Then figure out how some money can be siphoned off from the fines, repayments, and confiscations to give something back to this movement. Who knows, some of them may figure out that Republicans are not the heartless monsters they've been mainstreamed to believe. At least not as.









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Monday, October 3, 2011 3:22 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Jongsstraw has a point, this would be an oppertunity, but they won't take it I figure.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, October 3, 2011 7:25 PM

DMAANLILEILTT


I'm more inclined to think of



"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

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Tuesday, October 4, 2011 5:12 AM

DREAMTROVE


Yeah, I mentioned it already. I was out of town, and surprised to see it not posted yet.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=49827

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2011 5:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


That's strange; did we talk about how "dangerous" the Tea Partiers were? Here I thought we were disgusted with their "second amendment" threats and bullshit, angry at their occasional violence and violent rhetoric, but I don't recall anyone actually thinking they were "dangerous". Huh.

JS, really, really good idea for EITHER side to take up. But I think Riona's right, they won't do it. I doubt many would believe them, given what we've seen of both sides cow-towing to Wall Street and Big Business recently (like: more transparently than before). We've already got one quasi-third party, and that hasn't worked out all that great, so I doubt another even semi-viable one will rise any time soon. Too bad, too; betcha a lot of us would jump on the bandwagon, if their other stances weren't too much of a turn-off. JMHO.

S'not funny that they all got rich on us, tho' (and I know you didn't mean it that way), it's sickening. And, unfortunately, barring some kind of rebellion, I think it's the way of the future for us. They're ALL too much in the moneyed-people's pockets!

I say go for it, and I, too, like that there are many different factions. I just wish they had some kind of IMPACT--these days demonstrations don't mean much...certainly not what they used to!

Dmann, that's a lovely thought and I LOVE the song (not to mention the whole operetta!), but too unreal for it to have occurred to me. I, too, am reminded of V or some other darker scenario.

Frem; this isn't the first time you've used it...do I assume you're as big a fan of V (the REAL "V", not that usurper )?


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off



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Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:44 AM

FREMDFIRMA


The movie, a little...
The guy and his concepts ?
No, I think he's a jackass - and my "issue" with the film is that the contrived ending is so blatantly unrealistic it kinda soured the whole thing for me, orders or no orders, you always got that ONE CREEP in a pack of jackboots so full of twisted hate, so fearful that his days of being able to abuse with impunity will come to an end, that he *will* fire.

And then everyone else does.

And then things get really nasty.

One of my favorite authors, David Drake, in his (admittedly not so hot) book The Voyage actually carries through past the heroic-event-return-etc and tells the awful story of what USUALLY HAPPENS after that, and in the afterword of the book he comments that ending The Battleship Potemkin where it ends does folks a disservice by concealing the ugly truth of just how these things go.

Because I really, really, really do not want people taking a nose-dive over that line, past the tipping point, without a FULL awareness of exactly what the potential *consequences* of those actions could be - without knowledge enough to make an honest decision about whether or not they're willing to put up what it might cost to "go there".
I'm down with it if they do, but I am most earnestly NOT gonna tell them some fantasy story about how it's gonna be rose petals and parades and "all better" just cause you pitched one group of assholes out of power.

Truthfully, I'm hoping for a third option, cause I don't like the two being presented here, and between us, all of us, I'm sure we could come up with one if we all worked at it hard enough, but that's a harder thing than charging right in and hoping it'll all work out when you have no plan for what to do AFTER THAT.

In short, I am asking *before* it comes to that point...
AND. THEN. WHAT ?

Cause I feel someone needs to.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, October 4, 2011 7:53 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by Niki2:
That's strange; did we talk about how "dangerous" the Tea Partiers were? Here I thought we were disgusted with their "second amendment" threats and bullshit, angry at their occasional violence and violent rhetoric, but I don't recall anyone actually thinking they were "dangerous". Huh.


Well, that was coming from the same dude who can't distinguish mockery from fear, so, consider the source.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, October 5, 2011 5:46 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oops, Story...silly me! You're right of course...now and then I read the post without noticing who wrote it. Gotta watch that...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Saturday, October 8, 2011 10:12 AM

MAL4PREZ


I went the Occupy Wall Street earlier this afternoon. Interesting scene. There was an unending stream of skateboarders coming down Broadway, a rally from Washington Square I guess. Cops everywhere. I spent a few minutes watching them raise and lower a barricade on Broadway so that the skateboarders HAD to stop at a red light.

The square is packed. Lots of signs, blankets, and yes, strange looking people. I was offered and accepted a Free Hug from a large and gentle looking man. Then I picked up the first two issues of the Occupy Wall Street Journal and left them some cash for their next issue.

A few blocks up Broadway, there was a whole posse of police vans and buses, as if they were waiting to pounce on 700 peaceful protesters again. (BTW - they had a booth set up to collect information for a lawsuit about the Brooklyn Bridge arrests.)

This was at about 1:15, and I hear there may have been events planned for 3:00. I haven't been back by to see if the buses were put to use. I hope not.

Buses aside, it seemed a peaceful scene, with protesters chatting in a relaxed way with the cops.

Oh - but this was entertaining. Pedestrians are not allowed to stop walking on the block of the square. Lots of folks trying to pause for a second to take pictures, and the cops would have none of it. WTH? Free country?


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Sunday, October 9, 2011 5:41 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


C'mon, Mal, you know this hasn't been a "free country" for a long time! But please, DO keep the reports coming, it's about the only way we can get an ACCURATE picture of what's happening. The MSM is of course always looking for drama, and/or have their own agenda for what they report. Interesting envisioning what you described, hoping for more. Wonder what will happen when the Marines arrive?


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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