Who said it: Wall Street Occupier or Tea Partier? by Geezer

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Who said it: Wall Street Occupier or Tea Partier?

POSTED BY: GEEZER
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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:15 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15246205

Give it a try.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Interesting.

Here's another , though not so tricky.

TEA partier or Wall Street Occupier ?

Oh, wait. That was too easy...

Stinking up Wall Street: Protesters accused of living in filth as shocking pictures show one demonstrator defecating on a POLICE CAR.

These are the shocking scenes that have led some people to accuse the Occupy Wall Street protesters living rough in New York's financial district of creating unsanitary and filthy conditions.
Exclusive pictures obtained by Mail Online show one demonstrator relieving himself on a police car.
Elsewhere we found piles of stinking refuse clogging Zuccotti Park, despite the best efforts of many of the protesters to keep the area clean.
The shocking images demonstrate the extent to which conditions have deteriorated as demonstrations in downtown Manhattan enter their fourth week. Further pictures seen by Mail Online have been censored, as we deemed them too graphic to show.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046586/Occupy-Wall-Street-Sho
cking-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html#ixzz1aTc8tXcL

( And I couldn't help but notice the guy's black nikes. The purple shroud must be at the dry cleaners )

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:17 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

8 out of 9 on the quiz. Not proud of that, shoulda been 9 of 9. But some of 'em were tricky, some of the quotes could have been either side.

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

That's the point, and why Raptor has shown himself to have not a single individual thought. He is literally INCAPABLE of giving an inch on his ideology, which says to me that he's not here for any reason other than to goad others and get attention. It's in every single post he ever puts up.

They both want some of the same things, in fact MANY of the same things, and they're both angry about almost ALL the same things. To call one people exercising their freedom of speech and the other nothing but a crazy mob is sheer, unadulterated partisan blinders. Notice he has to even carry it over here...not even addressing the title or question, just coming in to snark, snark, snark.

I got 7/9...there are just too many similarities; the differences arise in how to ACHIEVE what the two groups want. Of course, OWS hasn't SAID how they hope to achieve it, not surprising given they are an unorganized group of people and haven't (yet) been taken over by any interests with specific agendas.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:16 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Two sides of a penny arguing about how much they are worth.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Clearly, a case can be made to show that big corporations wield too much influence.

But the issues run beyond a sound bite or a single quote. The Occupiers ( love how that was used to as a derogatory term to describe US policy in Iraq / Afghanistan, but now ? Left wing protesters are owning it ) want to tear down the system, with only delusions and fantasy as the replacement. The TEA partiers, only wanted to return to sound, sensible govt, in the view the Founders had fought for.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:54 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"The Occupiers ( love how that was used to as a derogatory term to describe US policy in Iraq / Afghanistan, but now ? Left wing protesters are owning it"

Hello,

I think there may be some substantive difference in occupying a foreign nation and occupying your own.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:00 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Occupiers are Occupiers, no ?

Means you don't belong. Means you're there illegally. Correct ?

Good for the goose, good for the gander, no ?

I guess all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. Got it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:03 AM

BYTEMITE

Hmph. Like either group can get anything done with the parties attempting to hijack and stranglehold.

Neither of them will change anything. Not so long as they continue to try to work in the system, and continue to try to revert to the same document with the same flaws that landed us here in the first place.

The constitution was a good effort, but there was and always will be forces that would like to change it into something awful. The present situation was inevitable, and the fault of certain members of those founding fathers who made sure to create the loopholes that allowed this.

We can try to roll back the clock, but I think we're going to end up facing the exact same problems down the line.

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:10 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"Occupiers are Occupiers, no ?"

Hello,

No.

I am occupying my house right now.

They are occupying their nation.

It just happens to be a part of their nation seldom visited by the victims of economic decline.

Times change, and so Wall Street became interesting to them. But surely you aren't suggesting that they lack the right to occupy their nation?

Next you'll tell me to stop occupying my house.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:15 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Anthony.

You're going to continue to pretend you don't see my point, and play being dense, huh?

So be it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:20 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I'm saying that your point is poorly conceived and your allegory is wrong. There is no comparison between occupying Iraq and occupying Wall Street.

It's not apples to oranges, it's apples to suspension bridges.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:22 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

The Left uses specific words, intended to evoke certain thoughts and emotions. They test market and use focus groups to craft their massage. The Left started this 'occupier' stuff, back during the Iraq war. I just find it curious that they've come back and are now using it with the Wall Street babies, as well.

That you DON'T see it, or claim you don't, I find suspect.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:41 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

There is no mystery or cause for fascination. They are demonstrating that the nation belongs to them as much as to the people who have wronged them. They are demonstrating that Wall street doesn't belong merely to the financial overlords, but that they also have a right to occupy it.

They are using the term Occupation in an ironical sense that escapes you. That it should glean such a reaction from you proves the point of the irony.

You can't Occupy Wall street in the way you can Occupy Iraq, but that doesn't keep folks like you from being threatened by the concept.

The only people who see a correlation and who feel 'curious' at the language are the people who have a skewed mindset to begin with. By bringing it up, you show yourself to be the butt of their joke.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:50 AM

HKCAVALIER

What has happened to conservatism in this country? "Conservatism" is supposed to have something to do with traditionalism, or trying to uphold values from the past. But it has been shown that the world these tea partiers allegedly want to return to HAS NEVER EXISTED.

Instead, they long to live in the world right wing politicians have PRETENDED to promote in their two-faced campaign speeches but have NEVER followed through on. For someone like Raptor it's the last ditch effort to revise history so he doesn't have to admit that he's been lied to by conservative politicians all his life. It's like campaigning to reinstate Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy after those gotdamn libruls and their so-called "science" took 'em away! Or starting the Girl's Have Cooties Party.

At least "progressives" admit to wanting to live in a world that hasn't yet existed.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Wow Anthony, you've talked yourself into quite a thought pretzel there.

I wonder if you actually believe any of it, or are just playing the role of contrarian, for the sake of ignoring the issue.

Ok, I've stopped wondering now.

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:02 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I'm afraid I don't see the 'issue' Raptor.

What is the 'issue?'

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

How many times must I post it before it registers with your brain ?

Go back, and read what I said. It's all right there, plain as day.

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:42 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

First you suggested that occupying Iraq and occupying Wall street were analogous.

Then you wrote was that 'the left' uses words designed to evoke 'thoughts and emotions.'

Finally, you suggested peripherally that you were having thoughts and emotions.

But an 'issue' was never raised?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:44 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Anthony, if your comprehension skills are truly this suspect, I am sorry for wasting your ( and my ) time.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:47 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Finally, you suggested peripherally that you were having thoughts and emotions.

Perhaps Raptor has emotions but thoughts...I've yet to see evidence of those.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:51 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

"I am sorry for wasting your ( and my ) time."

Hello,

We all have failings. I forgive you.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Finally, you suggested peripherally that you were having thoughts and emotions.

Perhaps Raptor has emotions but thoughts...I've yet to see evidence of those.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Wow! Now there's a relevant to the thread and thought provoking post ! Bravo!

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:07 AM

BYTEMITE

Oh! Sarcasm. That was sarcasm.

You had me confused.

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:50 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:

Then you wrote was that 'the left' uses words designed to evoke 'thoughts and emotions.'

A. The right never does that ?

B. Ain't that what words are for, anyway?

Askin' der Rappenfuhrer, of course, not you Ant.

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Anthony, your "two sides of a penny" is excellent; right on!

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Occupiers are Occupiers, no ?

Means you don't belong. Means you're there illegally. Correct ?

He's amazing, isn't he? Freedom of speech only works for those HE determines deserve it, and nobody else. Got it.

Quote:
The Left uses specific words, intended to evoke certain thoughts and emotions. They test market and use focus groups to craft their massage.

This one's REALLY amusing, given the documented INSTRUCTIONS on how to disrupt town hall meetings, the huge number of visceral buzz words and phrases the Tea Party and Republicans utilize daily. Jeez, Raptor is such a transparent joke, why doesn't everyone catch on?

Cav, "yes" to everything you said. But I hope it wasn't addressed to Raptor, because you already know...

C'mon peeps, READ his posts in this thread. Like virtually every other post he's put up, hey're absurd to the point of idiocy. The "issue" he claims is

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But the issues run beyond a sound bite or a single quote. The Occupiers ( love how that was used to as a derogatory term to describe US policy in Iraq / Afghanistan, but now ? Left wing protesters are owning it ) want to tear down the system, with only delusions and fantasy as the replacement. The TEA partiers, only wanted to return to sound, sensible govt, in the view the Founders had fought for.

It's pure bullshit, of course, and has nothing whatsoever to do with reality. Comparing occupying Iraq with protests against Wall Street in a country which guarantees freedom of speech and assembly? Come ON!

The Tea Party has stated quite CLEARLY that they want to tear down the current system, and if secession and "second amendment solutions" (not to mention all the other crazy things they have said) don't represent delusions and fantasy, nothing does. The two factions are certainly comparable in that they've done and said crazy things, but that he can't see ANY comparison, that he's adamant that there IS no comparison, shows not that he's ideologically blind, but that HE'S DOING IT DELIBERATELY.

For one thing,

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Clearly, a case can be made to show that big corporations wield too much influence.

As far as I know, that is the ONLY actual agreed-upon thing the OWSers are protesting. It's that very influence which has created such an incredible income gap between rich and everyone else, which is connected. So they are protesting Wall Street and corporate influence--NOTHING ELSE has yet been established as what they are uniformly against. If you listen to them being interviewed, they represent all segments of society (except the ultra-wealthy, Wall Street and corporate interests), all ages, all races, and THERE HAVE BEEN NO DEMANDS, so there's no way Raptor or anyone else can pigeonhole them.

He knows that; he just knows full well that writing things which are so absurd and assinine will bring responses, and he's always right, isn't he? Then he can go on to call people names and make derrogatory comments about them...it's a GAME, people, a game played by a sad and lonely person with not enough to fill his life. Someday you guys are going to catch on, then we can ignore him and have some decent discussions without all the wasted back and forth. Someday...hey, I can dream!

By the way, I've yet to see a misspelled sign at the protests, has anyone else? Gee...I wonder what the difference is between the two crowds, if that's the case...

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:18 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

There's a funny video on the Occupy Portland website with this guy who invented Occupy hand signals and he shows and explains them, it was just shown on our local news as a silliness piece. It was funny.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:49 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Occupiers are Occupiers, no ?

Means you don't belong. Means you're there illegally. Correct ?

Good for the goose, good for the gander, no ?

I guess all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. Got it.

Glad to hear you finally admit that we're no different than the Soviets in regards to Afghanistan. Same-same, you say. Thanks for validating my point in the other thread!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:54 AM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
The Left uses specific words, intended to evoke certain thoughts and emotions. They test market and use focus groups to craft their massage.

Words like...

Obamacare?

Death Panels?

Job Creators?

Death Tax?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:04 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Neither of them will change anything. Not so long as they continue to try to work in the system

So far the OWSers have not chosen to work with any political party, or against any political party. Altho there are plenty who want to tag along on their coattails.

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Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:24 AM

BYTEMITE

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So far the OWSers have not chosen to work with any political party, or against any political party.

I didn't say they did. Rather, what I meant was that Frem's right, and this civil disobedience stuff where you protest and the cops arrest you just means you get to pay bail and either a fine or a lawyer cost. Changes nothing. And when the occupy party suggests finding candidates to support the message and donate, that also changes nothing - corporate donations far exceed anything the average member of the public can pony up.

So yeah, the Tea Party and the Occupy protests are pointless. And that would be true even if the tea party wasn't run by the status quo, and the occupiers weren't a chicken with its head cut off.

I'd like to think that our only chance at making the system we have work would be some serious campaign reforms, but you'd have to get someone into office, and as soon as a person is running for office they by necessity have to become morally compromised.

I hold out hope for the rest of you that someday you'll get honest people in office, but I doubt that day will happen. So the only way I really see to change the system is to bring it down (or maybe wait for the greed to screw it over once and for all) and start over completely. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

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