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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Social trends are nothing more than individuals making choices, and falling in line w/ the collective group think. If those around you are a little chunky, then hey, why not... you'll fit right in if you have that extra big mac. Monkey see, monkey do. It's the individuals who choose to NOT follow the heard that 'stand out', and often get peer pressured into falling in line.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I have to admit that occasionally I see resturant commercials that make me want to eat what they're showing, yum, I love eating. My naturopath is telling me that I need to eat some protein every morning and something for lunch, plus snacks. That sounds tiring and annoying, I'm trying to do better at it but its annoying because I like eating one big meal a day, usually at dinner, and a few little snacks. If I don't eat in the morning I'm not hungry later. If I do eat in the morning, as I've discovered this week, I'm ravenously hungry all day and its really distracting and I don't like it. I'm going to get fat if I keep eating breakfast every day, even just a tiny bit of it. But she's annimant about it, errrrrgh. She's also expensive too, I don't know how long I'll be able to afford this naturopathic mental health thing, we'll see how it goes.


"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: It seems however, that you prefer to point the finger of blame at your favourite target groups, poor disenfranchised racial minorities.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Actually, my personal opinion is supported. I know, because I lived it.

Doesn't get more real than that.

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While I agree that people DO have a choice in what they eat, if your experience is that people are peer pressured into becoming overweight, then your experience is very different from my experience.

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Originally posted by Niki2:

Ah, Magons, thanx--everything you wrote is valid, and you gave me Jamie Oliver's name back. He was the one trying to deal with that obese family with the diabetic son. Apparently he's doing work over here now, too, and I've caught some of his stuff--like pouring all the ingredients into a big tarp so kids can see what actually goes in. I admire him and wish him all the luck in the world, but after what I saw with that one family, I hope he doesn't get too discouraged by us Yanks!

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what we see now is generational behaviour, which is hard to crack.

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The Brits behaviour was also hard to change. Behaviour change is just hard, but you have to admire his enthusiasm.

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Because of high cholesterol and the resulting arteriosclerosis, Jim started making his own meals years ago. I gag at them, sometimes I call them "bean soup" and being a vegaphobic, I couldn't eat them, but after a couple of years we found that there were things he literally could NOT eat anymore. I'd make a dish I thought was fine, he'd try to eat it and had to give up fairly quickly, it was just what he called "too rich" for him. So obviously there's a metabolic change and it takes time; put that against the ease of fast foods, advertising, finances and other factors, and I think weaning our nation off it's epidemic obesity is damned hard.

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A major issue is the training of taste buds to accept healthy food and to like it. Kids tastebuds are ruined early if they are exposed to a diet of sugary, fatty foods it becomes hard to change them into liking healthy foods. Another interesting piece of reality tv was a british made program called 'Eatoholics' where they'd find these very freaky people who'd would only eat white bread and chips, or some really unhealthy limited diet. They send a team of people in - dieticians, doctors, psychologists - to try and change the behaviour. Some of these people had never tried fresh fruit or veg in their lives. They would gag when they tried to eat something like a strawberry, what most of us would find delicious. They all had really underdeveloped palates and in particular complained about the textures of food they were unfamiliar with and sometimes literally could not swallow them. If you think about most junk food, it is quite soft. McDOnalds is almost texture free, it's like eating sponge. It took quite a lot to get them to develop their diets to incorporate healthy options and sometimes it didn't work, even though all of them had poor health predictions for the future (they were usually quite young). All of them seem to have a similar experience in that they had been fussy eaters as a child and their parents had given in for the sake of peace, but sometimes there were more complex psychological reasons.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess my point is that it's easier for some to fall in line with accepted norms, than to step out on their own.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

But a pizza here or there isn't going to wreck your overall nutrition.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter: It seems however, that you prefer to point the finger of blame at your favourite target groups, poor disenfranchised racial minorities.

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You see target groups, and 'minorities'.

I just see - people.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Ah you bring tears to my eyes. I can hear the violins.

However, it seems to me that you lack a little honesty about your own motivations. i've seen you post numerous posts specifying a particular ethnic or religious group in a negative manner. You don't come across as seeing them as 'just people', you appear to be saying some groups are more prone to violent behaviours, don't take responsibility for their actions etc etc. You have said that Islam is a religion of violence. You are the one who uses blaming language. So you don't see them as 'just people' at all. Or at least that is not what your posts convey. I'll remember to point this out to you next time you do it, so for gods sake try a little reflection or thought before you post your one liners that sound quite mindless and meaningless.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Ah you bring tears to my eyes. I can hear the violins.

However, it seems to me that you lack a little honesty about your own motivations. i've seen you post numerous posts specifying a particular ethnic or religious group in a negative manner. You don't come across as seeing them as 'just people', you appear to be saying some groups are more prone to violent behaviours, don't take responsibility for their actions etc etc. You have said that Islam is a religion of violence. You are the one who uses blaming language. So you don't see them as 'just people' at all. Or at least that is not what your posts convey. I'll remember to point this out to you next time you do it, so for gods sake try a little reflection or thought before you post your one liners that sound quite mindless and meaningless.

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It's my honesty which you can't seem capable of dealing with, that's your problem. Everyone starts out as 'folk', and then gets dumbed down by cultural / religious " group thought".

Some groups ARE more prone to violent behavior, and you act is if me saying it is some how unfair, or makes it untrue. Just look at the results, of what people have done, in the NAME of Islam, for example. It ain't pretty.

Reflection is fine, but you might want to open your eyes to the NOW, every once in a while.

And I'm sorry that quotes from Firefly / Serenity fly right over your head. I'm a fan of both, so sorry if that bothers you.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Culture and/or religion are part of what makes folk FOLK. Take that away, and I'm not sure you have folk anymore.

Take "being an American" away from AURaptor, and what is left?

Perhaps saying that all people are just folk necessarily implies that one has to be able to tolerate the differences between folk, whatever they might be.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

Yeah, QED. It's hard to argue with someone who backflips more than a gymnist. Which one is it - are we all just individuals who are entirely responsible for our own actions or are we part of some larger culture than may influence our behaviour? Do you just see folk or do you define folk by their religion/class/ethnicity? At least be consistent because you make a statement and contradict it several posts later.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I don't think that's what that quote meant. I mean, in context it was about Mal accepting that the Alliance guys in Bushwhacked have to do their jobs and saying that he's no longer an Independent.

The group think doesn't change them from being just folk. So a different culture than ours doesn't stop being "just folk" because of their culture.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
...I really need to rewatch if I'm messing up what quotes come from where.

Though the context about it being a comment to a representative of the Alliance about their job and him no longer being an Independent seems to be correct still.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:


I am consistent, you're just not paying attention.

We all start out pretty much the same, but then get programmed by all sorts of group think.

Try and keep up, k ?

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Parents have, for a large part, control over what their children watch and eat. This idea that we're all brainless programable robots, falling victim to the whims of some heartless, faceless ad agency's dark, insidious intentions, is comical rubbish.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:

When I was a little girl I was a lot like the people on those shows with Freaky Eaters (that's the American version of what Magon's mentioned.) Now I'm not like that though, I like a lot of things, though there are still some things I don't like. But not many. I'm thankful I grew out of being picky. It wasn't anything my parents did either, it was just me growing up and my tastebuds changing. My little nephew is picky and he's already starting to grow out of it, he's 8 and he eats more things as he gets older. My stepgrandma is still really picky, she's not bad enough to be on one of those shows, but she is very picky for an adult. She's pretty healthy though which is good.

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:

You're fooling yourself matey. Didn't you say....

So we are programmable or we are not programmable? We are individuals who are fully responsible for ourselves or we are subjected to group think as we grow up?

BTW Are you 13?

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Originally posted by Geezer:
At $198.00 delivered, it's not that expensive.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Because the guy in the ship became a Reaver without any PAX.

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
CTS, its been a while.
I agree with your asessment upon the Reaver situation. Reasonable position. It makes me think about the lengths one will go to to survive, to cope, to keep going, even if it isn't pretty or desirable.

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