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Monday, October 24, 2011 1:00 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


The listings for all the cities which have started Occupy demonstrations/websites/etc. is at https://sites.google.com/site/wealloccupy/

Check it out, it's amazing. They're popping up everywhere. JUST today they added:

DC
KSt(McPherson Square)
San Fernando Valley
Chelsea NYC
Cal State Northridge
Oxford Mississippi
Bowling Green Ohio
Winston Salem
ULM Germany
Pasadena General Assembly
Wise County Virginia
Indiana
Oswego New York
Owensboro Kentucky
Plymouth UK
Rainbow Lake NY
San Marcos Texas
Lebanon (!)
Charleston WV
Dordrecht Netherlands

Each one has a profile and updates (I loved this one from Charleston: "#occupychaswv needs help I heard they are pulling shifts. They deserve help!" Like us in Marin, each one is trying to get together General Assemblies, actions, demonstrations, etc. Just got an update from here that we're demonstrating 3-5pm by the post office today, Tues and Fri, at the local community college Wed & Thurs, every week until further notice. Too late for me to get there today, but I'll be there from tomorrow on!

It's happening everywhere, in every different kind of way. Some are just getting started, some are planning demonstrations, some having pot-lucks and showing a movie, some are camping out...they're all differnt, I guess as different as imagination can come up with. We've got a film showing/pot-luck tonight, ironically just down the street from us!
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"Heist: Who Stole the American Dream?" Screening and Potluck. Heist reveals how American corporations orchestrated the dismantling of middle-class prosperity through rampant deregulation, the outsourcing of jobs, and tax policies favoring businesses and the wealthy. The collapse of the U.S. economy is the result of conscious choices made over thirty five years by a small group: leaders of corporations and their elected allies, and the biggest lobbying interest in Washington, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. To these individuals, the collapse is not a catastrophe, but rather the planned outcome of their long, patient work. For the rest of the country, it is merely the biggest heist in American history. (2011 Mill Valley Film Festival Official Selection) Followed by a discussion with the filmmaker, Donald Goldmacher. Free admission with an opportunity to contribute to Occupy Marin. How can we build county-wide support and solidarity for this exciting new movement which started with Occupy Wall Street and has reached into communities across the land? Join the great upwelling! This event is open to everyone who's part of the 99%. First United Methodist Church, 9 Ross Valley Drive, San Rafael
I may go to the pot luck, but I don't need to see the film, I already know.

They're also planning

Oh, and Pete Seeger and his grandson have joined:
Quote:

Tao Rodriguez-Seeger was halfway through Friday night’s march down Broadway to support the Occupy Wall Street movement, a guitar strapped over his shoulder and his grandfather Pete Seeger at his side. Suddenly a New York City police officer stepped from the crowd and grabbed his elbow.
“Are you Tao Seeger?” the officer asked tersely. “Was this your idea? Did you think of this?”
Rodriguez-Seeger, a New Orleans-based musician, was certain arrest was imminent. The officer reached for his hand and he readied for the cuffs. Then something unexpected happened.
“He shook my hand and said, ‘Thank you, thank you. This is beautiful,’” Rodriguez-Seeger said. “That really did it for me. The cops recognized what we were about.” http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/8390900-418/pete-seeger-grandson-o
ccupy-wall-street-in-long-tradition-of-activism.html

And finally, for your amusement: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/1a413a18c1/occupy-main-street?playlis
t=featured_videos

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Monday, October 24, 2011 1:40 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Don't forget us down here in red(neck) state Texas!

http://occupyaustin.org/



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, October 24, 2011 1:43 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hell yeah! You go boy!

Are you active? If so, what's going on?


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Monday, October 24, 2011 1:50 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Unfortunately, I can only lend moral and a bit of monetary support. I've been absolutely slammed at work, which is a good thing, but it leaves me next to zero time and energy for other things. I've even been working weekends, which I'm less than thrilled about. I'd love to be downtown with the Occupy folks, but haven't had the spare time in quite a while, and likely won't.




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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh yuck! Well, you're with us in spirt--I know it's because I don't have other demands on my time that I can partake, which may be part of why it's mostly middle-aged folk around here. Weekends we get young folk, and a couple of people come after work (we're now demonstrating 3-5pm weekdays until otherwise decided), but for most people, it'd be tough.

Update from OccupyMarin:
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Good news first! Monday night at 7pm, Occupations from across the nation had a conversation for the very first time. Marin was represented in this conference call of over 100 people from all over the country! The goal was to begin introductions and discuss ways we can begin networking resources. It was a seriously beautiful two hours. There will be more calls scheduled in the very near future to hold a tele-consensus on how to prioritize needs and assets of individual Occupations and begin implementing actions to carry out the tasks required to get our collective goals accomplished. Since the Occupy movement began on September 17th, so much has been accomplished. The good news of Occupy traveled like wildfire and, suddenly, we were everywhere! I can only imagine what is going to come of this bond we are building across the country...



Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
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Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:14 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


You missed the protests in Australia. Occupy Melbourne and Occupy Sydney. I'm not sure how much they are limping along since the police broke them up for the Queeny's visit.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/queens-visit-could-spark-protest-cra
ckdown-20111025-1mhl1.html?gclid=CMCDk5rThKwCFQ-DpAod1C5B9g

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Wednesday, October 26, 2011 11:59 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Didn't forget 'em, heaven forbid! They've paid the price to be noticed and applauded. It's springing up all over the world...I was just noting the ones that were added to the list on that one half day. Ozzies have been with us for some time now...and my deepest sympathy for what happened in Melbourne, we just had the same thing happen in Oakland last night. Too bad the police can't behave like civilized human beings, eh?


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Friday, October 28, 2011 5:58 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


A li'l bump before the weekend!



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, October 28, 2011 6:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Excellent, Mike. Especially where Oakland is concerned. There was at least one person in a wheelchair I saw being pushed through the clouds of tear gas, and of COURSE TPTB are trying to lump all protesters into a form they can holler about. The buzz words used by the right leave me aghast, and statements like they're gonna come in your homes and kill you. It's insane; but then, such things have always worked for the right, so it should be no surprise!

One of the things that has me shaking my head is this 'hippies' thing. Like Wulf, the term seems to have become a convenient pejorative these days, when in actuality there ARE no hippies among the demonstrators. In order to be a hippie, you had to have been part of the '60s revolution...young people today weren't even BORN back the. I call myself an "aging hippie", but all of us from those days are now OLD; we have families, homes, jobs, etc., and, while I've talked to a goodly number of people at our demonstrations who were once hippies, the term is bandied about as if it's the young people who come under that designation. Yes, we old hippies are out there too, but we ARE part of the 99%, we DO see what's happening around us and we ARE willing to put ourselves on the line. It's assinine to refer to the demonstrators as hippies, and it's precisely Wulf mentality.


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Friday, October 28, 2011 6:16 AM

HERO


Occupy Kent in Kent Ohio are protesting small, locally owned businesses.

I guess they oppose anyone having a job.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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Friday, October 28, 2011 7:26 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Occupy Kent in Kent Ohio are protesting small, locally owned businesses.

I guess they oppose anyone having a job.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.



Im wondering Hero, are you just deliberately lying, or did you pick up a talking point somewhere and not bother to check the validity?

Yes, OWSers are camped outside local businesses in Kent - to PROMOTE them. They even have signs that support those local businesses.

http://kent.patch.com/articles/occupy-kent-members-camp-out-downtown

But far be it from me to expect anything resembling honesty from a lawyer.

It's hard to say.... liar or blindly parroting chump. Could go either way, based on your past posts. Im going to go with - Both.


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, October 28, 2011 7:54 AM

PENGUIN


http://www.occupydesmoines.com/





King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Friday, October 28, 2011 7:56 AM

OLDENGLANDDRY


The "Occupy London" protest is camped outside St. Pauls Cathedral. After much deliberation and the resignation of one of the Deans, the church has decided to begin legal action to evict the protestors.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15495019

A very British Protest.

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Friday, October 28, 2011 7:58 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Students at Kent State University are camping out downtown in the rain and bitter October weather for two reasons: to support the local economy and Occupy Wall Street movement.

Occupy Kent State started its "occupation" of downtown Kent Thursday to draw attention to the local economy and support the bank protest movement started in Manhattan.

Karch Marhofer, one of the Occupy Kent State organizers, said they want to inject the idea of community based economics and supporting local businesses into the national conversation.

"What we're doing is responding to the Occupy Wall Street movement ... except in Kent we have different resources, so we're trying to do it in a different way," he said.

The student participants set up tents outside three downtown businesses this morning and planned to have tents at a total of eight businesses by the end of the day. The students will camp out until 11 a.m. Saturday morning with signs encouraging passers-by to shop locally.

Amanda Boyd, manager of Skullz Salon, said she likes having a tent outside her business.

"When you’re trying to support the local economy, you can’t really go wrong," Boyd said.

Joe Reino, a member of Occupy Kent State, said Thursday's start to the movement downtown was slow because of the rain.

"The people that we have had walk up to us supported us, or they disagree with us in a way that they still support our message ... support the local economy," he said.

Marhofer said they timed the three-day occupation downtown to time with Kent's unofficial Halloween celebration to send a message to students and other young people who will be coming downtown Saturday. He said they want to tell students to have fun but respect the community while doing it.

"We want to display, or demonstrate, what a respectful relationship looks like between the students and community," he said.

How can you possibly turn that into what he said?? Especially as it's the specific PURPOSE of them being there! Surely even Faux News...well, yeah, they would. But that shows an astonishing amount of stupidity, or else an amazing blind parroting ability, not sure which. Or attempting to lie, you might be right. I'd rather believe one of the other two.

I think that's kind of ingenuous, I hope other group pick it up. Don't think it would work in San Rafael, but I'll mention it. Maybe something along the lines of placards and stuff in front of the three big banks...BofA, Citi and Wells...urging people to move their money and providing a list of options...


Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Friday, October 28, 2011 8:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mmmm, that's a nice one, Penguin. Something else to bring to the attention of our group--tho' we're so small, would take a lot of work to get something like that up. Still, worth thinking about; that's impressive!


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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Friday, October 28, 2011 8:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


"City of London Corproation", eh? Hmmmm...
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Ronan McNern, from OLSX, said: "We have requested that the Corporation of London and others engage in open dialogue with us and Liberty has offered to facilitate and mediate it.

"But the corporation showed their determination to take us down a long, costly legal battle at a time when public services are being cut."

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St Paul's weeklong closure and the turmoil surrounding the cathedral and the resignation of its Canon Chancellor Giles Fraser has sparked fierce debate about the wider Church's own mission to the poor and oppressed.

Isn't it - ask the campaigners - supposed to be a movement of people dedicated to the marginalized and disadvantaged?

Quote:

St Paul's protest: Canon Chancellor Giles Fraser quits

Dr Fraser says he could not support any move by the church to use "violence".
.....
The Church of England should do nothing which could "lead to violence" against anti-capitalism protesters, the canon chancellor of St Paul's Cathedral has said after resigning from his post.

Dr Giles Fraser quit "with great regret and sadness", having been sympathetic to activists camping in the churchyard.

He told the BBC he hoped a solution between the two sides would be negotiated, rather than enforced.
.....
Dr Fraser, who was a former vicar of Putney, had taken up the cathedral post, a Crown appointment, in 2009.

"This is not a simple issue and I don't think anybody is trying to claim moral high ground on this at all," he said.
.....
Ronan McNern from OLSX said Dr Giles was a "man of principles" and activists were "very grateful for the respect and support" he had shown them by defending their right to protest.

"The fact that he has resigned shows a clear split within the cathedral." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-15472362 a shame.





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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Friday, October 28, 2011 8:18 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


Hate to say this, cus I do actually like when people get together...

Your "movement" has failed.

Any ideology, based on redistribution, communism, or socialism simply cannot work in a country of individualistic people.

China? India? North Korea? Your ideas might go over. (but if not... you think what happened to the Oakland people was bad... wooboy...)

However, here? In America? The ideology of the free individual is much too strong.

In fact, these "occupations" have had the opposite effect intended. They actually LOOK like OCCUPATIONS. Not of some benevolent group, but rather

hedonistic, socialistic, anarchistic, spoiled malcontents.

This will not end well.


"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Friday, October 28, 2011 8:21 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
How can you possibly turn that into what he said??



Well, you start with being a scumbag lawyer, add a bit of NeoCon, a dash of TeaBagger, and voila - a lying "Hero".

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, October 28, 2011 8:22 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Hate to say this, cus I do actually like when people get together...

Your "movement" has failed.

Any ideology, based on redistribution, communism, or socialism simply cannot work in a country of individualistic people.

China? India? North Korea? Your ideas might go over. (but if not... you think what happened to the Oakland people was bad... wooboy...)

However, here? In America? The ideology of the free individual is much too strong.

In fact, these "occupations" have had the opposite effect intended. They actually LOOK like OCCUPATIONS. Not of some benevolent group, but rather

hedonistic, socialistic, anarchistic, spoiled malcontents.

This will not end well.


"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"





You seem to miss the notion that many, many individuals recognize that we're being trampled by an elite few who have gamed the system.

Which is not unexpected.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, October 28, 2011 9:18 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ahhh, Wulf, predictable as ever
Quote:

In fact, these "occupations" have had the opposite effect intended
You're obviously not keeping up with things.
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Substantially more Americans agree than disagree with the goals of the Occupy Wall Street movement, according to a new poll. And nearly two-thirds say wealth should be distributed more equitably. More at http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/poll-more-agree-disagree-occupy-wa
ll-street-goals-141203055.html
Jerseyans taking part in the Occupy Wall Street protest in New York City or a related demonstration in Philadelphia have the support of the state’s voters by a margin of 46 to 29 percent, according to a Fairleigh Dickinson University PublicMind poll published Thursday.

Meanwhile, 4 of 5 voters (81 percent) are following the protests, with 3 of 5 (62 percent) saying they’ve heard “a great deal” about them.

“Sympathy for the Wall Street protesters is a direct reflection of voters’ general dissatisfaction with the direction of the country,” Prof. Peter Woolley, the poll‘s director, said. “Something broke and voters know that whatever it was, it hasn’t been fixed.”

Sympathy for the movement cuts across gender, age and education. Men and women, both young and old voters, high school-educated and those with graduate degrees support the protests in equal proportions.

But support for the movement does reflect partisan splits. Democrats support it by the wide margin of 6 to 1 (68 to 11 percent), and Republicans oppose it by 2 to 1 (53 to 23 percent). Similarly, self-described liberals support it by about 9 to 1 (70 to 8 percent) and conservatives condemn it by almost 2 to 1 (50 to 28 percent). More at http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/state/poll-nj-voters-support-occupy-w
all-street
week, another poll which suggests that a majority of New Yorkers agree with schoolchildren, tourists and Al Gore in supporting Occupy Wall Street—and even those who don't support it are understanding OWS's message. According to the new Quinnipiac poll, 58 - 28 percent agree with the views of the Wall Street protesters, and 60 percent understand the protesters' views "fairly well" or "very well." "Most New Yorkers, even upstaters and suburban voters, say they get the Wall Street protesters' message," Carroll said. "And by 2-1, voters agree with the complaints about bankers and Wall Streeters," said Maurice Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

An overwhelming four out of five voters support the protesters' right to demonstrate. Carroll added that, "There's wide approval for the one specific message that's being heard Downtown—support for a continued state 'Millionaire's Tax.'" Of course, these are very similar results to Quinnipiac's last poll, Reuters/Ipsos's poll the week before that. http://gothamist.com/2011/10/27/new_yorkers_get_occupy_wall_streetw.ph
p
over a month of demonstrations, numerous dismissals, and thousands of arrests, Occupy Wall Street is gaining momentum. Over the last two weeks, polls have poured in revealing that Americans familiar with the protests largely support them. And since that familiarity will continue to increase.
.....
Oct. 9-10 Time Magazine/Abt SRBI: This poll showed a 54 percent favorable rating of OWS, compared to a mere 27 percent thumbs up for the Tea Party. The same poll revealed a strong support for grievances associated with the movement. 86 percent of Americans polled thought that "Wall Street and lobbyists have too much influence in Washington"; 79 percent said that "the gap between the rich and the poor in the U.S. is too large"; 71 percent wanted prosecutions for "executives of financial institutions responsible for the financial meltdown in 2008"; and 68 percent believed that "the rich should pay more in taxes." Echoing the sense of alienation expressed by OWS protesters, 60 percent of respondents said that "the political debate in Washington and the media" does not represent their concerns. More at http://www.alternet.org/story/152847/4_polls_that_show_occupy_wall_str
eet_is_just_getting_started
FauxNews thought they'd indoctrinated their viewers so it was safe to do a poll. Ooops:
Quote:

Fox News Poll on Occupy Wall Street Backfires

Fox News on Occupy Protests: "Creepy Criminals"

On October 7th, FoxNews.com launched a survey titled “Do ‘Occupy Wall Street’ protesters represent your views about the nation’s economic problems?” Considering the type of coverage Fox has been giving the events in Zuccotti Park, we imagine they were pretty confident that the majority of their readers would answer “No.”

Unfortunately (for FoxNews.com), this is the Internet, and word of this poll spread quickly. Here’s what we’re currently looking at:

Out of over 198,000 votes, more than 137,000 voted that Occupy Wall Street protesters represented how they felt about the nation’s economic problems. This isn’t a fluke: Reddit put out a call to arms four days ago, as did The Daily Kos.

The only question now is how Fox keeps the poll up, and how hard they will try to bury this data afterwards. Or perhaps Conservatives will rally on their social networking sites and bring their numbers back up? http://www.observer.com/2011/10/fox-news-web-poll-on-occupy-wall-stree
t-sentiment-backfires/
: Blue Collar Whites Support Occupy Wall Street

The Washington Post’s Greg Sargent notes that the latest polls from United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection and Time Magazine find that working class whites are in support of the Occupy Wall Street protests, rebuking the conventional wisdom that the protests only have the support of fringe political activists and hard-core leftists:

In the National Journal poll, 56 percent of non-college-educated whites agree with the protesters; only 31 percent disagree. In the Time poll, 54 percent of non-college-educated men, and 48 percent of non-college educated women, view the protests favorably. (That’s roughly 51 percent overall.) Meanwhile,only 29 percent of non-college-educated men, and only 19 percent of non-college-educated women, disagree. (That’s roughly 23 percent.) More at http://thinkprogress.org/special/2011/10/20/348792/poll-blue-collar-wh
ites-support-occupy-wall-street/
Poll Shows Americans Support Occupy Wall Street, Can’t Stand Tea Party

The Occupy Wall Street movement has exploded all over the country as Americans have gathered together to voice their anger at the top 1% who have continued to rob America. According to new NBC/Wall Street Journal and TIME magazine polls, the Occupy Wall Street movement has become more popular than the destructive Tea Party. The polls show an average support of 46% for the Occupy Wall Street movement, while showing only 27% support for the Tea Party. In addition, only 20% of all Americans oppose the Occupy Wall Street movement at the same time nearly double, at 38%, feel negatively about the Tea Party. More at http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/10/13/new-poll-shows-americans-suppo
rt-occupy-wall-street-cant-stand-tea-party/
the few polls who try to paint a different picture are having a tough time:
Quote:

Poll: U.S. split over ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement

Nearly as many Americans support the “Occupy Wall Street “movement as oppose it, but the ongoing demonstration is still more popular than the tea party, according to a new Pew Research/Washington Post poll.

According to the survey of 1,009 adults, 39 percent of Americans support the “Occupy Wall Street” movement. Nearly the same amount, 35 percent, say they oppose it.

In contrast, 32 percent of Americans support the tea party movement and 44 percent oppose it. More at http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/24/poll-u-s-split-over-occupy-wall-
street-movement/
, that's the only one I coud find that put it that low...and naturally, that's the one CBS picked up on!

Polls alone mean nothing, as we've agreed before. But this MANY polls with the same result are awfully hard to argue against.

So you might try getting with reality, for a change. Or not; I know how much you dislike reality.


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Friday, October 28, 2011 11:01 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zuccotti_hell_kitchen_i5b
iNyYYhpa8MSYIL9xSDL


"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"



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Friday, October 28, 2011 11:25 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Quote:

"Most NY'ers support Wall St. protest"


This is in line with what Niki has told us. Good of you to post supporting information.

"“We’re not going to let some members of this community destroy the whole movement,” a volunteer said."

Nice to see that the occupiers are aware of the problems in their community, and are working to mitigate them.

I'm not surprised that hungry homeless people are accumulating in an area where free food is available. Though personally, I think a PB&J sandwich is just fine. That they issue any free food at all is quite generous.

Thank you for sharing, Wulf.

--Anthony


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Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:27 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oakland was doing the same; their kitchen was feeding the homeless as well as the protesters, and their medical group was offering their services to them as well. In fact the "kitchen" is how several of our people got swept up in it, as they'd gone over with supplies and stayed to help out.

Wonder if the Tea Partiers shared any of their goodies when they got together? Hell no, those are (gasp!) the unwashed BUMS, they should get a job!



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