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it doesn't make a damn bit of difference now.
Population? We're way past our carrying point.

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it doesn't make a damn bit of difference now.
Population? We're way past our carrying point.

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I agree with the rest, not sure I can agree with those.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Ya see Chrissy, folks like me woke up like 20 years ago, when the fears of the hysterical were soundly mocked and ignored

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Try growing a world supply of crops under a mile or 2 of solid ice!

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Just not likin' the signs I'm seein'.

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The ball is rolling Byte. It may slow a bit, but it'll still hit the pins.

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Human feeding capacity by peeps much smarter than you or I, 3 billion is the ideal max #.

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A lot of people's spidey sense has been going off.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
But people talk like it's the end of the world or the human race or something.

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I'm not posing that in any way my own self. But the Plague or the American Civil War weren't exactly FUN, now were they.

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For Chris...

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Ah.

Then I am mollified that your concerns are realistic. Just watch out for that 3 billion number. Lots of people bandy it around, but I've never seen much actual calculation or modeling to support it.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Here in Western Mass the state police have erected concrete pillars in front of their HQ. The kind that could easily stop a car coming in at 70mph.

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So they're not actually much use right now.

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Or so thinks the staff of the Western Mass state P D.

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Here in Western Mass the state police have erected concrete pillars in front of their HQ. The kind that could easily stop a car coming in at 70mph. Is THAT what they're expecting? THAT kind of anger & civil unrest???

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Uhhh, you've been responding to Raptor...you might want to see to that.

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Originally posted by AURaptor: At least here, you're free to achieve what ever you want, and not be bound to a socio-economic class, the same as your parents, and their parents, and their parents....

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Hey, Nick, glad to see the Scandi-Whoovians out in front. It's no surprise to ME to see those socialist/liberal/pinko Commie leftists on the top of the list, except for the Canadians who have their own issues with socialism, and that crappy medical system they've got.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
@ Climate 'see-no-evil's', it's happening. Cyclical, man-made, man-influenced, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference now.
Population? We're way past our carrying point.
Resources? Drill, baby, drill. Will it alleviate things? Not so much. But go ahead.
World economy? Do more with less, my peeps. Unless you're rich. Then you can feel free to do less with more.

Get ready for the food riots of the mid-21st.

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This is the time to be alive dude.

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Uhhh, you've been responding to Raptor...you might want to see to that.

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But yeah, sooner or later, Chris, sooner or later.
My own preparations for this have long since been laid, it's other people I worry about, and how difficult it's gonna be to assist communities in denial when the ball goes up and they find out that the "forces of law and order" are in truth the bad guys

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The American Dream is alive and well...in Denmark!

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With the population of Denmark less than some US cities and 80% of their GDP coming from the service sector I don’t know if industrialized even applies to Denmark. The only reason there is opportunity in Demark is because they live next to Germany which is an industrial powerhouse. The same can be said about Canada, if they didn’t share a border with the US the only opportunity in Canada would be for the Japanese and Chinese to exploit their natural resources.

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And yes, I'll dismiss the apples to apples attempted comparison of a country with 5.5 million people to one of some 300 million. Just not an equal or valid side by side, sorry.

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Really, explain why

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And yes, I'll dismiss the apples to apples attempted comparison

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Chris, what model glue are you sniffin' ?

Seriously, back away from the table. Open a window.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:

With the population of Denmark less than some US cities and 80% of their GDP coming from the service sector I don’t know if industrialized even applies to Denmark. The only reason there is opportunity in Demark is because they live next to Germany which is an industrial powerhouse. The same can be said about Canada, if they didn’t share a border with the US the only opportunity in Canada would be for the Japanese and Chinese to exploit their natural resources.

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I find it funny that you think Canada's success in upward mobility is because it is next to the US. So explain then why the US is so much lower.

I would also like a citation on the fact the Denmark's success is because it is next to Germany.

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Any objective look at the numbers clearly shows that the amount of opportunity created by those at the top of your chart is miniscule compared with that created by those at the bottom.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:If you take the combined GDP of Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Norway they only add up to about half the GDP of France. France alone created more wealth than four of your top five combined. US GDP is almost twice all countries on the chart combined.

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Originally posted by Kirkules:You actually think that 80% of Danes in the service sector make their wealth providing services to the 20% in the remaining sectors. They make their wealth selling wooden shoes from Norway, Candy from Sweden and Lederhosen from Finland to rich Germans tourists.

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Originally posted by Kirkules: If you compared those with equal education and skills you would find that workers in US are just as upwardly mobile as those in Denmark. Their small population and homogeneous culture make their population more educated and skilled on average than most other countries. This may make a slanted look at the numbers show more upward mobility, but it actually just shows one of the benefits of a fully assimilated society like we had in the past when people came to the US to become educated Americans. Comparing dependent economies with the diversified, self sustaining economy of the US is just silly in my opinion and shows the statistics of desperation.

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