Herman Cain: The Buffoon Strikes Again by Niki2

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Keep up the good work Niki, labeling any Black that doesn’t enable the dysfunctional government dependent Black culture as mentally deficient is just what the Republicans need to bring blacks back home were they are respected in the party of MLK. It’s just to perfect, all the Republicans need to do to win back Minority votes is to stand by and watch as Dems disrespect and marginalize Blacks that dare sway for the Dem plantation.

Yeah, keep telling black Democrats that they're "on the plantation" - that really shows respect, and I'm sure they'll appreciate it, just as I'm sure they appreciate being told that they're brainwashed.

What exactly is this "government dependent Black culture" you keep speaking of, anyway? Again, way to show your "respect" for black people. Nothing shows your respect for a culture like calling it "dysfunctional" and "government dependent".

From your words and tone, it's pretty clear what you really think of black people. You really view an entire race of people as "dysfunctional", "government dependent" and living on a "plantation".

I don't think Herman Cain is dumb because he's black. I think he's dumb because he repeatedly shows himself to be dumb. He says things that are incredibly idiotic, and he says things that are demonstrably untrue, and he says patently offensive things that, when called upon to explain himself, he tries to claim are "jokes" - and then a few minutes later, he claims he's NOT joking, that he's serious about such things.

I think he's a buffoon, and I think he's mentally deficient, but not because of the color of his skin.

You, on the other hand, have labeled an entire race, an entire culture, as being unable to care for themselves or think for themselves. And in so doing, you claim that you are the one who really "respects" that culture. You really should see to the log in your own eye.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 2:44 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Keep up the good work Niki, labeling any Black that doesn’t enable the dysfunctional government dependent Black culture as mentally deficient is just what the Republicans need to bring blacks back home were they are respected in the party of MLK. It’s just to perfect, all the Republicans need to do to win back Minority votes is to stand by and watch as Dems disrespect and marginalize Blacks that dare sway for the Dem plantation.

Dude, punctuation is your friend. YANOO, those funny little mark-things, the dots and squiggles. Look real close, I used some... They help make your ideas make some sense.

Just, kinda: mix some in; every few' words " or so. wherever (it) feels good!

EDIT-- OH, this too: only 5 punctuations in almost 400 characters, and 75 words. Dude, they're FREE! NO sense bein' CHEAP with 'em, they don't cost nothin'.
Spelling helps two.

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:00 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Herman Cain seems to really get to some people on the Left, for some reason I can't quite fathom since he's no threat whatsoever to the Left...

I find most of these attack articles against him ugly and narrow-minded.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:34 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

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Originally posted by Niki2:
The Tea Party is his darling because he represents their racist rants. Uncle Tom Cain has to realize he will never be President.

( Lotta stuff snipped, but it's in Niki's post.)

His role as a token will have an expiration date soon enough, just ask former GOP leader Michael Steele how that turned out.

To keep attribution ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, and not put words in Niki's mouth, those words are a quote within a quote from someone else's blog post.
I got into trouble over in the other thread by suggesting the same thing, and by using the same words.
I wrote at the time that I was waiting for someone else to make the same charge. Well, there it is.

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 6:32 PM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
The Tea Party is his darling because he represents their racist rants. Uncle Tom Cain has to realize he will never be President.

( Lotta stuff snipped, but it's in Niki's post.)

His role as a token will have an expiration date soon enough, just ask former GOP leader Michael Steele how that turned out.

To keep attribution ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, and not put words in Niki's mouth, those words are a quote within a quote from someone else's blog post.
I got into trouble over in the other thread by suggesting the same thing, and by using the same words.
I wrote at the time that I was waiting for someone else to make the same charge. Well, there it is.

There it is, indeed. And it's no less offensive, and I don't care if the blogger is black or white, this is just asinine, and the even greater crime, for a writer or anyone calling themselves or fancying themselves one, is that the blogger's idiocy is so clumsily worded.

All she can see is that Herman Cain is black, not that he's a conservative. She seems to have major issues with him simply because he's black. It's as if this blogger thinks Herman Cain should not be allowed to believe what he believes, and the entire reason he shouldn't is because of the color of his skin.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Saturday, October 29, 2011 9:26 PM

PIRATENEWS

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"Yes we can, thank you Satan."
-President Hussein Obama, acceptance speech in Chicago, November 4, 2008

Uncle Herman wants YOu on the Kosher Plantation of the JWO

"Malt liquor is made by white beer companies but only sold in black neighborhoods, and you don't get suspicious? They put a thing in it called manganese, and once you get so much manganese in you, you will kill your momma, but they've got you believing that's normal for you to act that way."
-Dick Gregory, African-American presidential candidate

"We're all black people now."
-Dick Gregory, African-American presidential candidate, 12 September 2001

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 2:59 AM

KIRKULES

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yeah, keep telling black Democrats that they're "on the plantation" - that really shows respect, and I'm sure they'll appreciate it, just as I'm sure they appreciate being told that they're brainwashed.

What exactly is this "government dependent Black culture" you keep speaking of, anyway? Again, way to show your "respect" for black people. Nothing shows your respect for a culture like calling it "dysfunctional" and "government dependent".

From your words and tone, it's pretty clear what you really think of black people. You really view an entire race of people as "dysfunctional", "government dependent" and living on a "plantation".

If it is disrespectful to tell the harsh truth then I guess I'm guilty. I unlike Niki choose to praise successful blacks and condemn those that enable the current destructive black culture. What exactly do you consider functional about 72% of black children born out of wedlock, with 90% living in families with only one of their birth parents. I suppose one out of ten black men being in prison seems normal to you. Maybe it's the 21% black unemployment rate or 46.5% rate for black youths you find functional. This is the result of their blind allegiance to the dems and the only reason for it is because many are dependent on government services or have family that are. As long as blacks vote in mass for the Dems nothing is going to change for the positive. I hope some day blacks will decide to use their voting power to actually help themselves instead of being a base group for those who benefit politically by keeping them down.

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:06 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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To keep attribution ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, and not put words in Niki's mouth, those words are a quote within a quote from someone else's blog post.

Yup. I just fiddled around looking for the first article on why each candidate "couldn't" win, then put them all up, ending with Romney, because I think he'll be the one in the end, much as the fundies hate the idea. I gave how I felt at the beginning of each thread.

S'okay, tho', none of what you wrote has anything to do with me or how I feel, so I don't care, wail away.

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:39 AM

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I unlike Niki choose to praise successful blacks...

Really? I've never once heard you praise President Obama.

I hear you praising Cain for "telling it like it is" and telling "the harsh truth", but I don't really hear you admitting that he benefited from the same affirmative action policies that he now decries. I guess for a poor black kid trying to make it, those were good policies, but now that he's "made it", he doesn't see the need to extend a hand to those who are still struggling.

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I suppose one out of ten black men being in prison seems normal to you.

It certainly doesn't seem "normal" to me, especially when black men are imprisoned at a much higher rate than whites FOR THE SAME CRIMES. You seem to see it as indicative of blacks just being more "criminal" by nature, and I see it as a strong indicator of the racial bias and imbalance still ruling the "justice" (HA!) system.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 6:33 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I assume it was Kirk who wrote all that? I don't bother reading, I know what to expect, and that was about right. It's always just bullshit anyway. So I don't praise successful blacks, eh? Hee, hee, hee. Thing is I admire successful PEOPLE, I don't care what their skin color is. That's the difference between us.

I have nothing against Cain having been successful, any more than anyone else. All I know of him is a bit of his background and what comes out of his mouth, and what comes out of his mouth is what I judge by--and that makes him a buffoon (not my choice of words, either, title of the article). I heard him cracking that if someone asked him the name of the President of "uzbekistanistan" or somesuch idiocy, he'd say he didn't know, he had "people" for that sort of thing. That right there is quite enough for me.

KPO, he doesn't "get to us" (you I DO read). You guys said the same thing about Palin, and it was equally ridiculous. We laughed at her, now we're laughing at him, because both of them have made fools of themselves in much the same ways. See, we'd really like some sort of LEGITIMATE candidate on the right, and thus far, there ain't any. The choices are either people it's not worth paying attention to or buffoons like Bachman, Perry, Cain, etc., who are nothing but jokes. That IS my choice of words.

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:07 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Whatever your words Niki my issue is with the words of the article.

Yes I did go after Sarah Palin a lot, but it was never personal, I tended to just laugh at her and express hope that she would run for president. At the same time some of the treatment she and her family got from other liberals made me feel like Jon Stewart: "Stop making me feel sorry for the Palins!"

And similar with this article on Cain:

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Uncle Tom Cain has to realize that he will never be president

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I also notice he is ashamed of the fact he is even black

Why this race-traitor bullshit? A black man can be a conservative, or even a tea-partier if he wants to. And conservatives can support a black candidates for reasons other than wanting a 'token' black candidates for appearances. As I say it seems ugly and small-minded to me.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:41 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

You're right, it is. I didn't agree with all of it, but some of it was very right on, in my opinion. NOT the stuff you mentioned, tho' it seems to me he's either ashamed he's black, jealous of not being white, totally ignorant or a liar. Racism doesn't keep anyone from getting ahead in this country? That's so far beyond a joke it's not even worth...well, anything! And if you don't have a job, blame yourself? It seems to me like he's deliberately targeting black people with both those statements.

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:18 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Racism doesn't keep anyone from getting ahead in this country?

*Shrug* That's the right-wing line.

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It seems to me like he's deliberately targeting black people with both those statements.

Well I hope not. I think he gets asked a lot of questions about the black community, being black himself.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Whatever your words Niki my issue is with the words of the article.

Yes I did go after Sarah Palin a lot, but it was never personal, I tended to just laugh at her and express hope that she would run for president. At the same time some of the treatment she and her family got from other liberals made me feel like Jon Stewart: "Stop making me feel sorry for the Palins!"

And similar with this article on Cain:

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Uncle Tom Cain has to realize that he will never be president

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I also notice he is ashamed of the fact he is even black

Why this race-traitor bullshit? A black man can be a conservative, or even a tea-partier if he wants to. And conservatives can support a black candidates for reasons other than wanting a 'token' black candidates for appearances. As I say it seems ugly and small-minded to me.

It's not personal. It's just war.

Exactly.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, October 30, 2011 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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Racism doesn't keep anyone from getting ahead in this country?

*Shrug* That's the right-wing line.

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It seems to me like he's deliberately targeting black people with both those statements.

Well I hope not. I think he gets asked a lot of questions about the black community, being black himself.

It's not personal. It's just war.

And to be sure, Cain doesn't help himself when he supports affirmative action programs (which he benefited from as well) and then claims that there's no real racism. He also doesn't help himself when he claims that Planned Parenthood is all about "killing black babies".

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, November 1, 2011 8:15 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

If I hear one more Uncle Tom reference ...
Arrrg.

My problem with Cane is that he seems somewhat uneducated about the issues and he lacks articulation skills. I'm tired of inarticulate presidents, he seems like one who would have to look at the telepromptor all the time and I'm tired of that. Where are the orators? I think they've all gone the way of the Laviathan or the mammoth.

If people kept asking me questions that had a "perscribed" answer and they called me mean names when I didn't give the answer they wanted I'd get pretty fed up.

Small example that isn't perfect, but hey we'll go with it. I'm visually impaired, was born that way, will die that way. Guidedogs are something that lots of visually impaired people like having and like to take everywhere with them. If people asked me questions about that all the time with the assumption that I think everyone should be able to take their dogs, certified, unofficially trained, whatever, everywhere all the time I probably wouldn't give the answer they're looking for because animals near me freak me out, anxiety disorder trigger etc. So I'm not all gung ho about dogs all over. I support the rule that dogs are allowed everywhere if they are certified service animals and the person needs them in order to do the things they need/want to do in life, but I'm opposed to fudging the rules for "Oh I trained him myself but I haven't gotten around to registering him yet, he's really sweet" dogs. So my experiences in life have a hand in how I feel about certain issues which other people in my situation have different opinions on than me. I'm an exception, I'm an individual.

I'm not trying to compare Cane and I directly because the situation he is asked about is way more important, but we are similar in that we both have opinions based on how we experience the world around us. Apparently he feels this way, whether its true or not is another matter. But I don't like chunking people into boxes of how they _should feel because they are (fill in the blank).

Now, if he were more articulate he might be able to pull off stating his opinion without ruffling feathers, that's the art of diplomacy and articulation at work, he doesn't have mastery of this art, or even proficiency of it.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, November 1, 2011 11:58 PM

America loves a winner!

If there were the level of racism the civil rights warlords like Jessie and Al would have us believe, there's no way folks like Herman, Justice Thomas or Condie Rice could achieve to anywhere near the degree they have.

Herman, once again, is right. Those who'd love nothing more than to dismiss him, out of hand, simply because he disrupts their precious world view, are clinging a forgotten time, simply because such views allow them to have power over individuals.

That time is over.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 1:34 AM

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Those who'd love nothing more than to dismiss him, out of hand, simply because he disrupts their precious world view, are clinging a forgotten time, simply because such views allow them to have power over individuals.

Does that "precious world view" and "forgotten time" that Cain is living in include sexually harassing coworkers as a form of having "power over individuals"?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 8:41 AM

America loves a winner!

There was no sexual harassment by Cain, unlike Paula Jones and Juanita Broadrick , whom it was said Clinton truly harassed and raped.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:12 AM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Keep up the good work Niki, labeling any Black that doesn’t enable the dysfunctional government dependent Black culture as mentally deficient is just what the Republicans need to bring blacks back home were they are respected in the party of MLK. It’s just to perfect, all the Republicans need to do to win back Minority votes is to stand by and watch as Dems disrespect and marginalize Blacks that dare sway for the Dem plantation.

Nice, make it all about race, and just pretend all the stupid shit he says and does never happened. That'll work!!

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:14 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

There was no sexual harassment by Cain,

Which is, of course, why he paid her a year's salary to shut up.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:26 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Storymark:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

There was no sexual harassment by Cain,

Which is, of course, why he paid her a year's salary to shut up.

HE didn't pay her anything.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:50 AM

Yeah, just HIS company. To shut her up. Which of course is how the innocent handle things.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:00 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Yeah, just HIS company. To shut her up. Which of course is how the innocent handle things.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

Wow... you just keep getting everything wrong.

It wasn't HIS company. He was the CEO, not the founder.

Quite often, yes, companies WILL pay a settlement, rather than go to court. Costs less and doesn't drag the company through the mud.

You really do live a sheltered life, don't you ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Wow... you just keep getting everything wrong.

It wasn't HIS company. He was the CEO, not the founder.

Semantics, son. He still ran the company. But you already knew that's what I meant, but just had to come back with some attack.

It's adorable how you get all pedantic when the facts don't suit your tale.

Meanwhile, I notice you never mustered the cojones to address this one: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=50028

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:15 AM

America loves a winner!

HE didn't pay her off.

HE didn't own the company.

HE wasn't the one who had anything to do with the settlement.

Funny how YOU ignore the facts, when they don't fit your little fantasy.

Has nothing to do with 'semantics', son. That's not even close. You have no clue of what you're yammering about.

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So, it's YOUR understanding that the NRA was 'Cain's company', and because he ran it, he could do pretty much as he pleased ? Really?

That would explain why you didn't think Clinton did anything wrong. I mean, after all, he RAN the country, right ? So it was HIS , to do with as he pleased, be it bang chubby little interns, if he wanted to. That's how you view the world ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:28 AM

HERO

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny how YOU ignore the facts, when they don't fit your little fantasy.

There is no her. There is not one reported fact or allegation. We have a statement by ONE person, the one person that has come forward and said what happened...and that person is Herman Cain.

I'll take eyewitness testimony over NO testimony any day. Until you give me another witness there is only one story and that story is that nothing happened.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 10:47 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Cain is not helping himself. I guess he never got the message that you gotta have your shit tight in this world of 24-hour gotcha political news if you're gonna run for President. He's helping the Left Palinize him. Not that they wouldn't and weren't already, but now he's feeding them material.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:06 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Cain is not helping himself. I guess he never got the message that you gotta have your shit tight in this world of 24-hour gotcha political news if you're gonna run for President. He's helping the Left Palinize him. Not that they wouldn't and weren't already, but now he's feeding them material.

There's nothing this committed media won't do to demonize Cain, or any front runner, in the GOP field.

Cain says nothing on this matter, he's covering up. He clarifies something, he's "changing his story ", and or breaking the non disparagement clause , or some such....

And of course, there's the classic Left wing claim... 'Cain is sooo stoopid, he makes Palin look smart.' Never mind his education and real world achievements, he's a conservative, and therefore, an idiot , by default.

It's the standard template the Left uses, with out fail, on any GOP candidate or public figure.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:39 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Cain is not helping himself. I guess he never got the message that you gotta have your shit tight in this world of 24-hour gotcha political news if you're gonna run for President. He's helping the Left Palinize him. Not that they wouldn't and weren't already, but now he's feeding them material.

There's nothing this committed media won't do to demonize Cain, or any front runner, in the GOP field.

Cain says nothing on this matter, he's covering up. He clarifies something, he's "changing his story ", and or breaking the non disparagement clause , or some such....

And of course, there's the classic Left wing claim... 'Cain is sooo stoopid, he makes Palin look smart.' Never mind his education and real world achievements, he's a conservative, and therefore, an idiot , by default.

It's the standard template the Left uses, with out fail, on any GOP candidate or public figure.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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So what else is new? He better wise up fast. Before this story broke, I saw him do an interview on MSNBC. They were nice to him during the piece, then when he left they started trashing him. Who sent him there, just like who gave MSNBC a Republican Debate to host? That alone made my skin crawl, et tu Brute? Don't you see, we are on course to lose again to Obama because our candidates can't stay focused, and our Party is terribly led.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 12:15 PM

RIGHTEOUS9

This is nonsense,

People are poking at him in the media because he does and says stupid shit,including suggesting that China is "trying to develop a nuclear capability"**, and including how he handled the scandal after given 10 days before the story broke to get his facts straight.

Of course I believe in innocent until proven guilty, so I wouldn't have Cain pilloried for something that is not factually proven, but good god,have some healthy skepticism. Money changes hands, a gag order exists, Cain says I did nothing wrong, or let me confront my accuser, you know...the one with the gag order, which I assume could be lifted by the accused party, and you guys say "SEE, all trumped up!"

Anyway, there is no reason at all to go after Cain from a Democratic party perspective, except that its funny and speaks loudly to the ridiculousness of the Republican pool of candidates as a whole. He is not going to be the front runner in the end, and it sounds like he's not even trying to be the candidate,
but as a disenchanted Obama "supporter," who plans on voting for him anyway, I can't think of a better gift than to have anybody but Romney on the Republican ticket.

I don't think Hero or even Auraptor could say with a straight face that Cain would not implode in a general election, so I'm assuming they're giggling like schoolgirls when they laud this man.

** since intent does matter, Cain may have been suggesting that China was looking to develop nuclear powered aircraft carriers...just wanted to clear that up incase the issue was just in the delivery

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, it's YOUR understanding that the NRA was 'Cain's company', and because he ran it, he could do pretty much as he pleased ? Really?

That's not my understanding of how a company runs, but apparently it IS Herman Cain's understanding that he can do pretty much as he pleases, at least when it comes to the female employees of the company!

I like how you keep comparing Cain to Clinton, though. I guess that means you have no problem at all with anything Clinton did, since you're so in favor of it when Cain does it.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Funny how YOU ignore the facts, when they don't fit your little fantasy.

There is no her. There is not one reported fact or allegation. We have a statement by ONE person, the one person that has come forward and said what happened...and that person is Herman Cain.

I'll take eyewitness testimony over NO testimony any day. Until you give me another witness there is only one story and that story is that nothing happened.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

Well, let's see... we have two women - maybe more today - and at least one lawyer, and we have a settlement where one of the women was paid what Cain first described as an amount similar to "a normal severance package" - but which was then revealed to be a full year's salary (nice severance package!), and we have Republicans calling on Herman Cain to do away with the confidentiality agreements stopping his victims from coming clean about what really happened.

But you're right - there isn't a "her"; there are several.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 12:54 PM

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Cain is not helping himself. I guess he never got the message that you gotta have your shit tight in this world of 24-hour gotcha political news if you're gonna run for President. He's helping the Left Palinize him. Not that they wouldn't and weren't already, but now he's feeding them material.

There's nothing this committed media won't do to demonize Cain, or any front runner, in the GOP field.

Next thing you know, they'll be calling him a Socialist. Or a Muslim. Or a Kenyan. Or claiming that he wasn't born here. Yeah, they'll do ANYTHING to demonize a front runner, won't they? That darned Faux News!

Oh, and incidentally, Cain is now claiming that Rick Perry's campaign is behind this controversy. Are you claiming that Rick Perry is part of a "vast left-wing conspiracy"?

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Cain says nothing on this matter, he's covering up. He clarifies something, he's "changing his story ", and or breaking the non disparagement clause , or some such....

Heck, I thought non-disclosure agreements were supposed to be binding on both sides. He wants to disparage his victims, they should be able to tell all.

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And of course, there's the classic Left wing claim... 'Cain is sooo stoopid, he makes Palin look smart.' Never mind his education and real world achievements, he's a conservative, and therefore, an idiot , by default.

I've yet to hear anyone make that claim. It's a well-known fact that NOBODY can make Palin appear smart.

Meanwhile, Cain really does not come across as a smart person, or one who is very informed when it comes to what's really going on in the world. Just today, he offered this rather startling admission of ignorance on China's nuclear capabilities:

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In an interview Monday, Cain said part of China's threat to the United States stems from its attempts to develop nuclear weapons -- even though China tested its first nuclear weaponin 1964.

"Yes, they're a military threat," Cain said on the PBS NewsHour, in response to a question from Judy Woodruff. "They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat."

So *I'M* not the one who's saying Cain's dumb. Cain's constant idiotic remarks and stupid "gaffes" are the ones saying he's dumb.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 1:27 PM

Whoops - now there's another one!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/02/herman-cain-sexual-harassment
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Meanwhile, Cain cancelled a press conference and tried to duck the press in Virginia today in an effort to try to avoid talking about his egregious past behavior.

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Separately, Chris Wilson, a former NRA staffer, told Oklahoma radio station KTOK that he witnessed Cain sexually harassing a woman at Virginia restaurant in the late 90s. Wilson said that while he could not discuss specifics of what happened, he believes if the woman were to talk about it "I think it'll be the end of his campaign."

Wilson confirmed the incident to Politico.

"It was very uncomfortable," he said.

Conservative radio host Steve Deace also told Politico that Cain said "awkward" and "inappropriate" things to his station's staff.

So I guess the association that Cain ran (the National Restaurant Association, not to be confused with the NRA) is part of this vast left-wing conspiracy, as well as conservative radio host Steve Deace.

Heck, maybe Cain's "awkward" and "inappropriate" comments were nothing more than the kinds of rape jokes John McCain likes to tell...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 2:14 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I think making inapropriate comments to females at work isn't as bad as rutting with your intern and then lying about it. A lot of men make slightly dirty comments. I don't like it when it happens but it isn't as bad as it could be. Do I want a guy who still does that being my president? Probably not, but maybe he's like other men and didn't get that he was being inapropriate. some men really don't get it. Maybe he hasn't had any more repremands about it since. I don't know enough about it to say one way or the other yet.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 2:42 PM

America loves a winner!

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So, it's YOUR understanding that the NRA was 'Cain's company', and because he ran it, he could do pretty much as he pleased ? Really?

That's not my understanding of how a company runs, but apparently it IS Herman Cain's understanding that he can do pretty much as he pleases, at least when it comes to the female employees of the company!

I like how you keep comparing Cain to Clinton, though. I guess that means you have no problem at all with anything Clinton did, since you're so in favor of it when Cain does it.

I have plenty of criticism with both what Clinton did, and then lying about it. It's the Left who turns a blind eye to it all, then shows pure hypocrisy by vilifying Cain for that which he HASN'T done.

You can try to twist this, and my views, any way you like, but you're only fooling yourself. Clinton had a history of philandering and lying. Cain has done none of it, and yet the media is crucifying him as if he were guilty. He's done nothing wrong, save for dare to challenge the great Obama. That alone appears to be enough of a 'crime' to convict a good man.

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:26 PM

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I have plenty of criticism with both what Clinton did, and then lying about it. It's the Left who turns a blind eye to it all, then shows pure hypocrisy by vilifying Cain for that which he HASN'T done.

I notice you have no criticism at all for Cain, though. In fact, you're - what was it you called it? - "turning a blind eye to it all", no matter how many times Cain changes his story or backpedals to try to "clarify".

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You can try to twist this, and my views, any way you like, but you're only fooling yourself. Clinton had a history of philandering and lying.

From the looks of things, Cain has quite a history in that department, too. I'm just curious why you think it was such a big deal when Clinton was doing it, but nothing at all when Cain was, or Gingrich, or any other Republican.

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Cain has done none of it, and yet the media is crucifying him as if he were guilty. He's done nothing wrong, save for dare to challenge the great Obama. That alone appears to be enough of a 'crime' to convict a good man.

Thing is, you don't KNOW that Cain hasn't done any of this. There was certainly enough merit to the charges to result in at least one settlement, which certainly indicates that he has SOMETHING to hide, right? Or are you simply going to take him at his word, a luxury you'd never afford to ANY Democrat?

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:59 PM

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From the looks of things, Cain has quite a history in that department, too.

No he doesn't. There's zero proof of that. And Gingrich ? When has he ever harassed anyone ? Oh, that's right - never. Again w/ the red herring.

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There was certainly enough merit to the charges to result in at least one settlement, which certainly indicates that he has SOMETHING to hide, right?

No, not right. There was simply enough merit to make this bogus claim go away, with out taking it to court and wasting so much money, over a she said/ with zero evidence to support her claim.

There's nothing in Cain's character or history which supports this crap. Nothing.

BTW, have you stopped beating your wife yet ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 3:10 AM

HERO

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But you're right - there isn't a "her"; there are several.

Really? What are the names? What was there connection to Cain? When did this all happen? Who was paid? How much? Was there a deal? Who made the deal? Did Cain sign off on the deal? Was he even told? Remember all the answers must be specific and backed up by facts. You said several, so prove several.

Can you answer ANY of the following: who, what, when, where, why, or how? I can:

Who: Herman Cain
What: Nothing happened
When: Ever
Where: Anywhere
Why: Because nothing happened
How: Because he does not do those things

All the things I wrote are supported by the only facts that have been released with regards to these claims. Until someone comes forward to counter Cain's statements, there is no story.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
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Thursday, November 3, 2011 3:15 AM

HERO

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BTW, have you stopped beating your wife yet ?

He should be arrested for that...after all beating a woman is very serious. He should be arrested and held in jail until he proves he did not beat his wife or work with Al Queda. How long has he been working with Al Queda? Pretty much since he killed that homeless man back in the nineties. Why did he kill him? The homeless fellow was black...must be a racist. Have him prove he's not a racist murdering wife beating Al Queda terrorist...who cheats on his taxes.

H

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 7:57 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Would be fun to bring up both Raptor's and Hero's ardent defense of Cain as having done nothing wrong when the whole story (or stories) comes out.

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Herman Cain may very well bounce back and remain a popular contender for the GOP presidential nomination, but the normal rules of politics would say that he has about 48 hours to get his campaign under control.

His fortunes have been bolstered as well by the way conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have rushed to his defense. Limbaugh has sparked a familiar cry among tea partiers about "liberal media witch hunts." On Wednesday, Politico -- the news organization that broke the story -- reported that voters in Iowa aren't paying much attention: Cain still rides high there.

But no one, least of all the Cain forces, should believe he is getting this behind him. Far from it. The explosive way that a Washington lawyer has jumped into the middle of this episode, as he did Tuesday night when he called in to Anderson Cooper's CNN show, is throwing fat into the fire.

Joel P. Bennett, asserting he represents a woman who he says complained about Cain harassing her at the National Restaurant Association, told Cooper that his client wants to get her side of the story out. She is offended by Cain's proclamations that he was falsely accused and thinks he is lying.

At the moment, she has promised Bennett a copy of her original settlement with the restaurant association. Bennett probably will ask the association to release her from her confidentiality agreement so she can talk openly -- although she is reportedly still considering this request and could decide not to pursue a release. Even if she does try for a release and the restaurant group refuses, it seems probable that the contents of the settlement will find their way into the media. Leaks happen.

And at least one other accuser might be waiting in the wings: The New York Times reported Wednesday that the National Restaurant Association gave a second woman a full year's salary -- $35,000 -- as severance after she complained that Cain had behaved inappropriately toward her. A full year? That's a lot of money and suggests -- along with the Times' reporting of "heavy drinking" at the event in question -- that she may have a story to tell, too.

Once we see a real, live woman step forward and accuse a major presidential candidate of sexual harassment and lying, it will almost certainly become a circus with Cain smack in the middle of it. It may become unfair -- but it also can be politically lethal. Clarence Thomas survived because he was smart, tough and ready to take on his accusers. Cain so far has shown none of that.

Moreover, the sexual harassment story is only one of the possible scandals brewing around Cain. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reported this week that a private corporation, set up by Cain's chief of staff, has given the Cain campaign some $40,000 in goods and services. The report has been overshadowed, but it won't go away: If that happened, those gifts could be violations of the law. The longer the sexual harassment controversy continues, the more the press is likely to dig in elsewhere.

So far, the greatest source of concern among some conservatives is how inept Cain and his team have been in responding. Politico gave them 10 days to prepare before going public on the restaurant association allegations, and yet Cain still didn't have his facts and story straight. For political pros, two days of conflicting accounts were painful to watch.

All of which is to say that Cain is now under enormous time pressure to get his campaign under control. He needs to put an end to the sex controversy and do it fast. If he permits this fire to rage through the weekend and into next week, he could well be toast.

What should he do? It may seem a hard call, but it isn't really. He should announce that he would be fine with the restaurant association releasing the accuser from her confidentiality agreement, invite her to sit down with him and talk it through, and then let each of them make their case to the public. He may have to suffer some embarrassment, but he has to show the country he is strong, open, fair and ready to lead.

Cain may think that is asking too much of him, that the media is prying too deeply and he is being railroaded. Personally, I have some sympathy for that perspective: Too often the media pokes and sensationalizes too much, especially into private life. But he is asking people to entrust him with the most powerful office on Earth. Before we make that choice, is it not fair to voters to get straight answers from a candidate about who he is and how he has acted in his professional life? http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/02/opinion/gergen-herman-cain-controversy/i
ndex.html?hpt=hp_bn3 Cain blames Perry who blames Romney, and away we go. Who leaked it is totally immaterial to me; I want to know the truth so it can either end his bid or fade into the distance and they can get on with things.

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Oklahoma Republican political consultant Chris Wilson confirmed to CNN that he witnessed Herman Cain demonstrate inappropriate conduct toward a female employee while he led the National Restaurant Association. Wilson first made this charge Wednesday in an interview with KTOK, an Oklahoma radio station.

In that interview, Wilson-who is doing polling for a political action committee supporting Texas Governor Rick Perry's campaign but is independent of it–described an incident with Cain and a female employee.

"This occurred at a restaurant in Crystal City (Virginia) and everybody was aware of it," said Wilson, who was a consultant for the organization at the time, in the KTOK interview. "It was only a matter of time because so many people were aware of what took place, so many people were aware of her situation, the fact she left-everybody knew with the campaign that this would eventually come up."

Wilson would not elaborate beyond his comments to the radio station. He has dismissed any notion that he commented on this for political reasons. He told CNN "I had nothing to do with leaking this in any way, and I've never discussed or shared this story with any of my clients – period."

In his description of the event to the radio station KTOK, Wilson said "I was the pollster at the National Restaurant Association when Herman Cain was head of it, and I was around a couple of times when this happened and anyone who was involved with the NRA at the time, knew that this was going to come up."

On the radio, he predicted "if she (the alleged victim) comes out and talks about it, like I said, it'll probably be the end of his campaign." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/02/oklahoma-pollster-conf
irms-he-witnessed-incident-involving-cain/ guys, there's too much running around at this point for anyone to buy your "nothing happened" protests. We'll see if the whole truth came out; as of right now, his stories changing so much and his unwillingness to confront it would leave me with serious questions...IF I ever took him seriously, which I don't.

Which is immaterial, too, given how amusingly quick you are to attack any SIGN of misbehavior on the right, yet defend energetically any POSSIBILITY Cain might have been guilty of ANYTHING whatsoever. Just the usual bullshit. One wonders if there are ANY of you capable of seeing ANYTHING any way except through your right-wing blinders.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 7:58 AM

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BTW, have you stopped beating your wife yet ?

He should be arrested for that...after all beating a woman is very serious.

Glad to see you're both on board with arresting and jailing the Republican family court judge in Texas who admits to severely beating his disable underage daughter! Thanks for your support!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 1:06 PM

His new campaign slogan: "Herman Cain: The Great Right Grope."

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 1:12 PM

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Can you answer ANY of the following: who, what, when, where, why, or how? I can:

So can I.

Who: Herman Cain.
What: Serial sexual harassment.
When: Every chance he gets.
Where: All over the country. At work, at restaurants, at radio stations.
Why: Because he's a creepy perv who gets off on harassing employees.
How: By doing and saying things like putting his hand on a woman's head, then near his crotch, and saying, "You're the same height as my wife". Allegedly.

Heck, there's as much evidence against Cain as there ever was against Bill Ayers. Just sayin'.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 4:32 PM

America loves a winner!

Cain isn't accused of groping anyone.

The Left , again, is lying.

Comes easily, of course. And should surprise no one.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, November 4, 2011 4:37 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Mike; too bad they are incapable of coming up with new material, isn't it? At least then they'd be amusing...sort of!

The Cain thing is being stretched out to a ridiculous degree. If nothing else, he's showing quite clearly his inappropriateness in running for President. If he can't handle THIS, how could he handle anything actually important? He's been changing his story faster than Romney switches sides on an issue (which we EXPECT from politicians); he's gonna look like even more of a buffoon when the facts finally come out. Which is appropriate.

As for not being accused of groping; time will tell. I'm putting my money on it coming out eventually.

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Friday, November 4, 2011 6:24 AM