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5,000 homosexual pedophiles busted in Boy Scouts

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Monday, October 31, 2011 3:01 PM

PIRATENEWS

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5,000 child molesters: the US scout movement’s guilty

Halloween 2011

They call them the “perversion files”, and more than 5,000 alleged child molesters aren’t the only ones hoping to prevent their hitherto-secret contents ever seeing the light of day.

Boy Scouts of America is at the centre of a growing legal crisis as it attempts to block publication of documents that name and shame the extraordinary number of adults expelled from the organisation amid accusations of sexual misconduct.

Lawyers are fighting efforts to force disclosure of the files, which date back to the 1920s and detail thousands of proven and unproven cases of abuse by scoutmasters and other volunteers.

Critics have compared their efforts to cover up sexual misdemeanours to those that have in recent years led to the Catholic Church paying hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation to victims of abuse at the hands of priests.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/5000-child-molesters-
the-us-scout-movements-guilty-secret-6255037.html




Scouts Welcome Faggots! (Atheists, Agnostics and Christians Still Not Cool)
http://askanatheist.tv/2011/06/06/uk-scouts-welcome-gays-atheists-and-
agnostics-still-not-cool
/


The Good Old Days without merit badges for pedophile rape

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Monday, October 31, 2011 4:38 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Unsurprising - there's also big problems with Big Brother/Big Sister left unaddressed, and of course, the usual...

Audit finds sex offenders living, working in foster care homes
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/10/28/4012966/audit-finds-sex-offenders-liv
ing.html

Quote:

The addresses of more than 1,000 registered sex offenders matched the addresses of licensed foster-care facilities and homes, auditors found. Almost 600 of those sex offenders were considered high risk.

"This is appalling," said Assemblyman Henry Perea, D-Fresno, who requested the report because of concern about children who died in the child welfare system.


-F

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Monday, October 31, 2011 6:06 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Audit finds sex offenders living, working in foster care homes

So I gotta ask you, Frem, WTF is going on with CPS?

Cause I see stories quite often of kids taken from innocent parents, and then too many stories of kids who ARE abused left in danger by CPS.

Are they simply unbelievably incompetent? I know there are good people there doing a very very difficult job. But the pattern of "errors" is too consistent to ignore. What explains it?



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Monday, October 31, 2011 6:24 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

"This is appalling," said Assemblyman Henry Perea, D-Fresno, who requested the report because of concern about children who died in the child welfare system.



5,000 kids were missing or dead in FL CPS, run by Gov Jeb Bush, son of Franklin coverup and snuff kiddie porn at Bohemian Grove.

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Monday, October 31, 2011 6:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


You were a boy scout, weren't you, PN?

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Monday, October 31, 2011 7:04 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Are they simply unbelievably incompetent? I know there are good people there doing a very very difficult job. But the pattern of "errors" is too consistent to ignore. What explains it?


Remember what I said in the Arson thread about conspiracies ?

Yeah, you have incompetence, you have corruption, but there's nothing on a national scale exactly, it's just that the system is easy as hell to infiltrate and subvert whether you be a predator or one of their "procurement" people, a religious nutter, or simply a political with an agenda - hell, look what Snyder and his people are trying to do here in Michigan by essentially forcing welfare recipients to either starve, turn to crime, or (and this is my favorite and I might help em do it) raise the black banner in outright revolt - and that ain't the half of his fascist bullshit agenda...
http://www.annarbor.com/news/mass-exodus-university-of-michigan-tries-
to-fight-domestic-partner-benefits-ban-as-employees-begin-t
/
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2011/06/flint_resident_joins
_effort_to.html

http://www.ccj-mi.org/

Nightmare level stuff, all of it, with too many victims and not enough people willing to reach down, find a fuckin pair, and stand to, no matter what some goddamn law written by a fascist pissant says...

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, November 1, 2011 6:21 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"The Good Old Days"

Hello,

Apparently there were no good old days, Pirate, since the abuse file dates to 1920.

The only thing this reveals is the utter hypocrisy of the organization. They have been shunning non-criminal, open homosexuals since their inception, while meanwhile sexual abuse has been happening continuously in their ranks for nearly a hundred years.

You, sir, seem to be part of the problem, since you cannot differentiate between a man who prefers the company of a man, and a man who prefers the company of a child.

Your very own prejudices are the ones that keep honest, open folk out of the organization while sneaky child-molesting perverts wind their way in.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 1:50 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


There never were "good old days" in the world, crap has been happening for a long long long long long time, its just that back in the day it was kept secret and there wasn't news to broadcast it on. My grandma remembers some incidents from her girlhood, friends, neighbors, etc. We now have the ability to spread the word about crimes of that nature, plus people who have a bint toward that thing find it easier to access victims through the Internet etc. Back in the olden days if a man caught a man raping his kid he could just kill them and thus the problem would be solved in the sense that that person wouldn't be hurting any more people. Now adays one always gets put in jail for killing their child's rapist. A family friend of mine went to kill the man who raped his daughter, but he didn't do it covertly enough and he got caught and jailed for six years (he didn't even succeed in the killing by the way).

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 3:12 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
http://www.annarbor.com/news/mass-exodus-university-of-michigan-tries-
to-fight-domestic-partner-benefits-ban-as-employees-begin-t/

My God. Just as we think we are making some inroads on equality....

Thanks for the explanation, Frem. It makes sense.



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Wednesday, November 2, 2011 4:25 PM

WISHIMAY


Speaking of Equality...if women are molesting more and more, I wonder how much is going on in the Girl Scouts??

I'm all for branding "I AM A PERVERT, KIDS RUN AWAY" on ALL convicted...Good old scarlet letter days...

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 8:47 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Not to mention crap like this...

The Perilous Intersection of
Immigration Enforcement and the Child Welfare System

http://arc.org/shatteredfamilies
Quote:

Key Findings: There are at least 5,100 children currently living in foster care who are prevented from uniting with their detained or deported parents.

When they deport the parents, they keep the kids, see - and then feed em into the maw of the foster care systems.

And since they now have no relatives around to be placed WITH, or at least none who dare come forward, and no means to return to the deported caretakers - they stay there, and get ground up.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 9:14 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Speaking of Equality...if women are molesting more and more, I wonder how much is going on in the Girl Scouts??

I'm all for branding "I AM A PERVERT, KIDS RUN AWAY" on ALL convicted...Good old scarlet letter days...


Well, one problem with that is just how courts and society set up deliberately created hysteria in order to blind people to their own abuses of power.

For example, the guy labelled as a "sex offender" cause while waiting for a locksmith (he had locked his keys in the house) he took a leak behind the house and some nosy ass neighbor peeking OVER his privacy fence had a damn fit about it, and the courts let that one fly.

Or Genarlow Wilson, as another notorious example.

While I feel very strongly about such things, I don't let it overshadow presumption of innocence or due process - but alas I seem alone in that, much to the blazing ire of other advocates, who hate my guts as a result.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 5:41 PM

WISHIMAY


I'm of the position that if you put yourself in a position where it looks like you are a dirty perv, chances are....

It's easy to claim victim status and pretend innocence, and they DO so much of the damn time. This is one of the few times where I blame people for the "mistakes" they make. Reminds me of the dude that "just happens to be naked" in his living room window just about the time school lets out evryday. I'd rather they take it too far in prosecution, than not far enough. There is always going to be people prosecuted for doing "nothin' much" WELCOME TO HUMANITY. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug....but if you keep yer "feelers" to yourself, chances are you'll be OK...

In a better world, yeah, people should have presumtion of innocence with perversion, except this isn't a better world, and the amount of wickedness just that GETS reported, let alone....
Maybe it'll teach others not to put themselves in a clearly untenable situation...

The life of an adult who made a crappy decision is always going to have less potential worthyness for me than an innocent defenceless child. I err on their side.

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Thursday, November 3, 2011 6:44 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

As someone who was an innocent, defenseless child at the mercy of pedophile perverts...

No.

You don't get to abuse someone on my behalf, out of fear that they've been abusing me. You don't get to hurt someone 'just to be safe.' That's not safe. That's tyranny. I'll have none of it, and I'll darn well have none of it in the name of protecting me.

Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Period.

--Anthony



_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, November 4, 2011 3:54 AM

WISHIMAY


Yeah, but don't you understand, If we had been much tougher on the freaks since the onset in this country, maybe you wouldn't have had to gone through what you did...Isn't THAT worth it? This isn't just about you, but the millions who are GOING through it now, too.

This position of waiting for people to get molested before anybody can do anything is counter-productive at the very least and negligent besides. These people that have been convicted that had residences at foster homes need to be rounded up and SHOT just for being there. They knowingly put themselves in a position they knew they weren't supposed to. Hang 'em. Hang 'em high.

I truly am sorry for whatever you went through, Anthony. Know that if I had been there I would have shot the bastard in the back and slept well that night. Whether you wanted me to or not, it's what's right in my book. I would have to know more before I could count your feelings as valid(not so sure HERE is the place for that, though), because that is one of the problems with children being victims-they just want everybody to be happy and be forgiven and tend to hold onto that even as adults in order to deal. The rest of us grow up and learn very important ideals like Justice and Vengeance(which is MINE, so sayeth ME!). You can't possibly say that you are better off for having been abused, than if the pervs had been identifyed AS pervs beforehand and dealt with. A hard line SAVES LIVES. You can get all Oprah Winfrey about it and blather on about forgiveness if it helps you but I don't forgive and I don't forget...Yeah, it's a harder way to exist, but I couldn't live with myself if I forgave someone -who with knowing and with malice and with impudence- hurt a child. And I would see them pay, with or without YOUR blessing.

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Friday, November 4, 2011 4:19 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"Isn't THAT worth it?"

Hello,

No.

No, it's not.

Right and Wrong don't change based on the crime or based on the victim or based on your mood. I have not forgiven, and I will never forget, but neither will I become that monster or sit idly by while others become monstrous in the name of the victims. In the name of ME.

Why stop at pedophilia? Why not just arbitrarily murder anyone suspicious of a crime?

No.

You do not get to indulge fantasies of violence and murder and revenge under the guise of protecting the innocent. If you want to go around all Pre-Crime and Carnage, you don't get to do it with me as an excuse. Every time you claim to do it for me, and for others like me, I'll be right there calling bullshit on your homicidal ass.

You want to be a murderer, be a murderer. If you sleep well at night, it won't be because you were protecting the innocent children. It'll be because you enjoy murdering your fellow humans on any pretense or excuse. It'll be because you are just another flavor of the same sick fuck you want to rid the world of.

And so, once you've killed all the other freaks... what's gonna protect the rest of us from freaks like you?

Sleep tite.

--Anthony




_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Friday, November 4, 2011 2:00 PM

WISHIMAY


Pansy People Hugger...

Life is brutal and there is a special bottom layer in hell for kiddy-diddlers and genocidal dictators. They are monsters that have turned their back on the essence of being human and become a thing grotesque. They and they alone are who I will celebrate their demise. You can try to escalate my words all you like, but the truth is a great many people would agree with me.

The only person I need approval to do what it is I do is ME!

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Friday, November 4, 2011 2:19 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello.

"The only person I need approval to do what it is I do is ME!"

Good, then don't claim to be serving the interests of victims. Don't dare tie your 'hang-em-high without due process' philosophy to the concept of protecting people. When you talk about rounding up and killing suspects without proof of wrongdoing, don't claim to be doing it for any reason other than because you like it.

"Life is brutal"

Yeah, more brutal than you are. I'm tough enough to bear agony in order to see justice done properly.

"Pansy People Hugger"

And you claim to be serving my interests. It's neon-colored hypocrisy. You're doing what you want to do, because you think you've found an excuse that lets you get away with it. Don't make anyone else your excuse. I won't have one shred of injustice committed in my name, or for my cause.

"They are monsters that have turned their back on the essence of being human and become a thing grotesque."

Yes, and you seem to be in a real hurry to catch up.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Saturday, November 5, 2011 10:09 AM

WISHIMAY


Blah, blah, blah...

I have become bored of this reparte.

Tell ya what, I'll lighten up if you can...

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Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:08 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
And so, once you've killed all the other freaks... what's gonna protect the rest of us from freaks like you?

Now, if Wishimay confessed that she were a sociopath, I think I wouldn't doubt her at all.

She doesn't even understand how grotesque her argument is.

ETA: Just saw this on PN's thread. Stealing it from PN for a sec...



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Saturday, November 5, 2011 11:13 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
...they stay there, and get ground up.

My God. I had no idea.

Triggers the paranoid side of me that wonders if all these kids are simply underground slavery traffic conducted with taxpayer money.

American citizen minors have precious few rights as it is. I cannot fathom what those kids who are not citizens and have no parents to protect them are going through.

ETA: Will start a new thread on this topic.

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Saturday, November 5, 2011 2:44 PM

WISHIMAY


I will ask buddha for another planet for all of you who are soooo into protecting the rights of child molesters. And remember when somebody does something terrible to a child you love- you fought for their rights. Maybe you all would fight for the rights of reavers, too. I mean they're living and breathing, too, right?
Speaking of which, how in the hell did you people end up HERE? I mean, Mal kicked a guy through an engine just ta make a point. How can you ever live with yourselves for being fans of a show that would condone such an action?

On my planet children will roam around freely without fear of being raped and tortured. You keep yer f'd up planet...I'll keep my happy kids.

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Saturday, November 5, 2011 3:01 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

That's the difference between fiction and real life, Wish. In fiction, your attitude might make an interesting and entertaining antihero.

In real life, it just makes a world without liberty and justice.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Saturday, November 5, 2011 5:36 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
I will ask buddha for another planet for all of you who are soooo into protecting the rights of child molesters.

I am not protecting the rights of child molesters.

I am protecting the rights of presumably innocent people who are suspected by people like you of being child molesters.

I am protecting the rights of all citizens from people like you, who can't tell the difference between the former and the latter.

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Saturday, November 5, 2011 6:34 PM

JONGSSTRAW


And if you so desire, you can even create an organization that gives advice and tips on how to snatch kids, where to rape them, and how to dispose of evidence. That's all free speech and protected according to the ACLU which consistently defends lawsuits brought against NAMBLA. I'm sure the ACLU lawyers' parents are so proud of them.








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Sunday, November 6, 2011 7:14 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:

I am protecting the rights of presumably innocent people who are suspected by people like you of being child molesters.

I am protecting the rights of all citizens from people like you, who can't tell the difference between the former and the latter.




Ok...so those what... 2?? people a year who get accused of being a dirty perv and probably aren't all the way(but sure aren't PURE AS THE DRIVEN SNOW), those are who you are fighting for? And I suppose YOU can tell the difference between who is actually guilty and who is not? Because I used to watch those "To catch a predator" shows and the dirty creeps would over half the time not admit to any wrongdoing because they hadn't ACTUALLY done the dirty deed. And those confronted with the EVIDENCE of their actions would not even admit they intended wrong, because in their twisted little minds- they don't see it AS wrong!! They rationalize it all out, see?

When you come up with a better system, that can accurately tell the difference between the two- you let me know...Until then...don't thwart the efforts of the people who are ATTEMPTING to stem the FREAKING TIDAL WAVE of evil ass pervs....

The only real difference here is I believe the needs of the many drastically outweigh the needs of the 2 doubiously innocent morons who shoulda known better. And ya know most of those never actually GET proscecuted, so what's the deal here??? Why do they matter to you so much??
Were YOU accused?
Did you falsely accuse someone else?
Why does this matter to you sooo much???

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Sunday, November 6, 2011 7:28 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Why do they matter to you so much??
Were YOU accused?
Did you falsely accuse someone else?
Why does this matter to you sooo much???

Because I believe in the principle of presumed innocence.

Because I believe in fair trials.

Because I believe there are measures of prevention less drastic than murder.

Because I believe dehumanization, even of pedophiles, is the beginning of the end.

Because I believe that prejudice of any group of people as vermin to be exterminated eventually leads to genocide.


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Sunday, November 6, 2011 8:38 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


"Why does this matter to you sooo much???"

Hello,

Because I was a victim.

I won't victimize others.

Simple enough?

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Monday, November 7, 2011 5:40 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Presumption of innocence, that's what.

In fact it's the only thing, albeit currently so tenous it's pathetic, which makes our so-called justice system anything but a fucking lynch mob, and anything that threatens that fragile, brittle remainder of anything vaguely resembling decency in our society will provoke my ire.

You also MIGHT consider that for those who fought those bastards, the very FIRST THING THEY DO when you finally corner them is throw a counter-accusation hoping zealots like you will leap into it without proper consideration of the evidence and therefore wreck the efforts of the folk hunting them down and exposing them when the folks supposed to be doing something about it were more interested in shoving it under the rug and themselves would harrass folk daring enough to make an issue of it.

That's what destroyed The-Underground, and Luthers personal life, as a matter of fact, and he's far from alone in that, plus it's also a major reason for the levels of smoke and mirrors obfuscation I have always used, to keep folk just like you, Wishimay, from befouling attempts to hand these bastards on a plate to so-called proper authorities in such a way that those authorities had no choice but to do their job instead of pretending there wasn't a job to do, relegating it all to urban legend instead.

In short, No.
Not just No, but abso-fuckin-lutely, No.

You MAKE SURE before you drop the hammer on someone, that they're actually guilty of the goddamn crime, or else you're part of the problem, not the solution.

And I mean that, firmly so - cause that very fucking attitude, that very zealotry, is amazingly destructive in a fashion I feel a need to make clear to you - WHY a lot of younger kids are actually easier targets for exploitation and abuse is that because of that atmosphere of terror you are proposing a lot of fathers fear showing their child any affection at all least it be misconstrued by some yahoo like you, and as a result the opportunity for the child to have a male figure who's affection and approval are not linked to sexual relations gets lost and they wind up with a damn warped concept of the whole matter as a result - not to mention that by fostering that atmosphere of fear you've also IMHO contributed to the encouragement of what I feel is neglect and abuse by making parents fearful of doing their damn job as parents.

And yea, verily I realize I am in a minority with my insistence on proof - but the truth always is, it seems.

Also worthy of note: I ain't too damn fond of the ACLU either, and their proxy-defense of NAMBLA pissed me off severely in respect to the fact that they have rejected every single youth rights case I ever brought them which is over three hundred in a couple decades, that whole mess with Charles Rust-Tierney sure didn't help their case with me either as being somewhat biased and infiltrated with predators, of course.

But again, innocent till proven guilty - anything less is every bit as great an offense as the very thing you wish to prevent, and in fighting monsters, one must ever take care to NOT become a monster themselves.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, November 7, 2011 6:34 PM

RIONAEIRE

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Hi Wish, I think what Anthony and Frem are saying is that they don't want to see someone punished who isn't guilty. Sometimes people get accused of those things but they didn't actually do it. I think they just don't want people shooting now and asking questions later. I understand what you mean in wanting to pay vengience upon someone whom you know hurt your little one/someone you know hurt someone else's little one. That's a normal feeling and it doesn't mean, as some people are claiming, that you are a sociopath, it means you're a normal parent. But I don't believe you'd want to shoot someone if you weren't sure, if you didn't know they'd done it.

This can be a super charged issue. I understand the desire to be rid of folk who hurt kids, but make sure they did it before you take matters into your own hands. If you know what happened and you choose to pursue your own justice that's your perogative, but wait until you know instead of rushing headlong into it before you have all the facts.

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