Occupy crackdown by dreamtrove

Yes.

People saw their terrorism monitoring units show up in labeled vans when the camp-outs first started.

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Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:46 PM

HERO

When they cracked in any city, all the protests reacted. That means that if they are going to take action, coordination among the cities makes good sense.

As for the crackdown...let's face it, The Empire Strikes Back was always the best one.

H

"Hero. I have come to respect you." "I am forced to agree with Hero here."- Chrisisall, 2009.
"I agree with Hero." Niki2, 2011.

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Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:56 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

The parks here were emptied two days ago. Most of it went surprisingly peacefully, only one significant case of police brutality (one too many), but that's saying something for our police force, who has a bad reputation for shooting first and asking questions later. I think they really are trying to work on that though, but with them its like two steps forward and one step back. Still overall it went way better than it could have here.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 3:05 AM

America loves a winner!

Was well past time for Barry's Kids to be sent home.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:50 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Of COURSE they're coordinating, we expected no less. Yeah, Riona, they emptied Oakland, Berserkeley and OWS itself--and the people came back in bigger numbers than ever! Every time they crack down, our numbers grow, it's fantastic. You guys aren't hearing the half of it; if I had time, I'd post about it. Maybe when I get some time, I will.

I was surprised and tickled at that judge issuing the injunction to let OWS stay, tho' we knew the city would find a way around it. That's okay, they can't stop us now, we're growing exponentially all over the country.

San Francisco has been quiet all this time, notice. They got kicked out of Justin Hermann Plaza, but they rebuilt across from the Ferry Building, and the police have let them stay. Jim sees them every day on his way to the ferry. All quiet on the "Western Front". Good old S.F. Hopefully the cops there realize that cracking down has no effect, people just get more tents and move back in, in greater numbers every time!

Gotta go, just popped into this one out of curiosity.

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:20 AM

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The order has come from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave to the city mayors " shut it down". There is no wide spread appeal for the Occutards as there is for the TEA party. Crime, trash, disease...and a muddled message has doomed this stunt to the point that even the Dems now want it to go away.

And it shall.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:14 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...

I actually think the crack down could be a blessing for the movement - forces them to confront the next level after public protest.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/nyregion/occupy-wall-street-organize
rs-consider-value-of-camps.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

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Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:16 AM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

The order has come from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave to the city mayors " shut it down". There is no wide spread appeal for the Occutards as there is for the TEA party. Crime, trash, disease...and a muddled message has doomed this stunt to the point that even the Dems now want it to go away.

And it shall.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

Hello Mr. Raptor,

Do you have a copy of the order? It would help the movement to have that on hand.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:49 AM

America loves a winner!

I believe this speaks for itself.

Quote:
Just Like the Tea Party: A List of Occupy Mayhem Sorted by Type
John on November 16, 2011 at 7:04 pm

Rather than just an unordered list, I was thinking it might be helpful to categorize the mayhem by type.

Arson
Occupy Fort Collins – Member arrested, $10 million in damage
Occupy Portland - Member arrested for throwing Molotov Cocktail
Occupy Seattle – Suspicious fire at Bank of America 2.7 miles from camp
Occupy Portland – Three men arrested with homemade grenades
Assault/Threats
Occupy SF – 12 assaults in 24 hours
Occupy LA – 4 assaults including two with knives
Occupy Philly – Man punches woman in the face
Occupy LA – Two assaults including setting someone on fire
Occupy Berkeley – Police respond to three assault calls per night
Occupy Wall Street – Three men threaten the life of a sexual assault victim
Occupy Lawrence – Punch thrown
Occupy Orlando – Knife fight sends man to hospital
Occupy Portland – Multiple assaults within a 24 hr. period
Occupy Toledo – Man assaults police officer after arrest
Occupy San Diego – Woman assaults cameraman
Occupy Victoria – Man dumps urine on city worker
Occupy Vancouver – Two police officers bitten during near riot
Occupy Oakland – Death threats
Occupy Austin – Man in Joker make-up arrested for brandishing knife
Occupy Oakland – Man sets his dog on reporter
Occupy Oakland – Man pulls a knife in camp
Occupy Wall Street – Photographer assaulted
Drugs/Dealing
Occupy Boston – Two drug busts in a week
Occupy Boston – Another drug arrest
Occupy Boston – Heroin dealers busted were living with 6 year old boy directly behind welcome tent
Occupy Portland – First hand account “Drugs. Selling…Heroin. Meth.”
Occupy Portland – Video of open drug use in the camp
Occupy Portland – “I get high“
Fraud
National Lawyer’s Guild member Ari Douglas pretends to be run over by a police scooter
Illness/Death
Occupy Santa Cruz – Ringworm outbreak
Occupy Atlanta – TB outbreak
Occupy Wall Street – Zuccotti lung outbreak
Occupy New Orleans – Man discovered in tent had been dead 2 days
Occupy Portland – Body lice outbreak
Murder
Occupy Oakland – Fatal shooting
Public disturbance
Occupy Dallas – Protesters block bank entrance, 23 arrested
Occupy Vancouver – Mob with bullhorn enters bank
Occupy Wall Street – Protesters block bank entrance, four arrested
Occupier takes a bathroom break in the street
Occupy Vancouver – Occupiers disrupt debate, threaten riot when asked to leave
Occupy Long Beach – Group disrupts city council meeting
Occupy Boston – Three arrested for occupying Burger King
Occupy Oakland – Yelling and nonsense at Burger King
Occupy DC – Group storms AFP event, traps attendees inside
Rape/Sexual Assault
Occupy Philly – Man arrested for alleged rape
Occupy Wall Street – Two sexual assaults unreported to police
Occupy Wall Street – Man arrested for sexual assault, suspect in rape
Occupy Dallas – Sex offender allegedly rapes 14 year old
Occupy Ottawa – Sexual assaults go unreported to police
Occupy Lawrence – Sexual assault reported
Occupy Toronto – Foot sniffer arrested
Occupy Seattle – Man exposes himself to young girls
Occupy Portland – Sexual assault
Occupy Wall Street – Drunk gropes women in Zuccotti Park
Occupy Cleveland – Rape reported after an overnight stay
Occupy Glasgow – Possible gang rape
Occupy Baltimore – Multiple reports of harassment
Occupy Chicago – Man arrested for child porn
Occupy LA – Man charged with exposing himself to a child
Sedition
Occupy DC – Let’s have a coup by taking over the military
Ted Rall wants occupiers to choose the path of violence
Occupy DC – Mike Malloy incites crowd to cheer for President Bush’s execution
Suicide/Overdose
Occupy Burlington – Man kills himself with handgun
Occupy Salt Lake City – Man found dead with syringe in his tent
Occupy Vancouver – Young woman dies of cocaine and heroine overdose
Occupy OKC – Young man with history of drug abuse found dead
Theft
Occupy Portland – Theft is ongoing
Occupy Boston – Store owner suffers 4 break-ins since camp began
Vandalism
Occupy Eureka – Protesters use local bank as a toilet
Occupy Portland – Two banks vandalized, promises of more to come
Occupy Oakland – Bank windows broken, Whole Foods vandalized, broken windows
Occupy Boston – Banks vandalized with anarchist, OWS graffiti
Occupy Portland – Spike in vandalism near camp
Occupy SF: ATMs being smeared with feces
Occupy Santa Fe: Banks vandalized with OWS-themed graffiti
Occupy San Diego – Vendors cart vandalized with bodily fluids
Occupy graffiti found on PA governor’s mansion

BTW - Where is Janet " big sis " Napolitano? aren't these clear cases of Domestic terrorism?

I recall some memo sent out, warning of home grown insurgents... Do we have to wait until after a " man caused disaster " before anything is done?

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:17 PM

America loves a winner!

More domestic terrorism, from the OWS gang...

White House shooting suspect charged with attempted assassination against President Obama

WASHINGTON — An Idaho man accused of firing an assault rifle at the White House was charged today with attempting to assassinate President Barack Obama or his staff, and prosecutors say he called Obama "the devil" and said he needed to be killed.

Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez, of Idaho Falls, made his first court appearance before a federal magistrate in Pittsburgh today, one day after he was arrested at a western Pennsylvania hotel.

According to a court document released after the hearing, authorities recovered nine spent shell casings from Ortega's car, which was abandoned near the White House. A person who knows him subsequently told investigators that he had become increasingly agitated with the federal government and was convinced it was conspiring against him, the document said. Others told investigators that Ortega had said Obama was "the anti-Christ" and the "devil." Ortega also reportedly said he "needed to kill" the president.

If convicted, Ortega faces up to life in prison.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:24 PM

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Do we have to wait until after a " man caused disaster " before anything is done?

Funny AU, when this is all over, your life will be either the same, or better for it. You will win either way. Still you gripe, sorry, revolution is never a pretty, clean thing, and brings into it those that would be extreme in their views and methods. Which does not negate the validity of the broader movement, nor the need for change.

Quote:

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

Strange that you quote that- it is you who is being described in the latter part.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:30 PM

AU calling protesters terrorism is terrifying me.

This is what the country has come to. All left-wingers are terrorists to the right-wing and all right-wingers are terrorists to the left wing?

And what happens when people with those same views get into power and enforce those labels?

Chilling.

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:31 PM

America loves a winner!

Chrissy - If you're aiming to misbehave, don't you think there ought to be a reason ? Other than Johnny has more toys than I do, so I'm gonna smash everything, even my own stuff, because life isn't "fair" ?

Problem w/ this 'revolution' crowd, or what ever you're trying to say, is that they don't even have a bandwagon on which to jump up on.

Yeah, the banks were loaned a lot of OUR money. And guess what ? They paid it back... with interest. Yet the students whining about their loans... they want that debt cleared, and not have to pay a dime back ?

Where's the logic in that ?

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:45 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

" More domestic terrorism, from the OWS gang..."
" he had become increasingly agitated with the federal government and was convinced it was conspiring against him"

Hello,

This is another case where your views are amorphous and ever-changing. They become whatever is necessary in order for you to speak out or act against the hated 'other.'

In one thread, you explain how the downfall of the economy is part of a plot by Obama to overwhelm the system and destroy America.

In another thread, at the same time, you explain that a man who took up arms against the government must be an OWS terrorist.

(??? If we believe your first statement, then the actions of this man would be the work of a patriot, no? The same rhetoric you spewed seems to be coming from his own mouth.)

Meanwhile, you label the OWS group 'homegrown terrorists' while...

In another thread, you advocate torture against terrorists.

So we can see that your rhetoric changes shape and color as needed, but your focus remains on destroying and harming the Other.

This is why you can claim apoplectic rage at the BP oil spill and botched cleanup, but simultaneously advocate a video that says we all need to say "Thank You" to BP for their benevolent efforts on our behalf. Your focus is: Obama Bad, Liberals Bad. Any argument or line of thought that achieves this end is Good, even when you must lay out a series of directly contradictory arguments and positions in order to do so. Consistency begins and ends with each individual statement, and does not need to pass from one statement to the next. None of your thoughts need to be logical. They simply need to point at a common adversary.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:06 PM

America loves a winner!

And there you go again. Cherry picking from different threads, different discussion, taking out of context what I'm saying in one conversation ,and trying to weave it into a totally different one.

It's clear to me that, when I speak of something, say 'homegrown terrorist', ...

The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in “rightwing extremist activity,” saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/14/federal-agency-warns-o
f-radicals-on-right/

This memo, all the while the T.E.A. party rallies were going on, gives the clear impression that 'violent' acts may result from these uppity , angry white folk, on the Right. As it turns out, there was nothing to fear at all, from the law abiding citizens. The REAL problems, seems to be coming from the Left, and the OWS gang.

There is no 'rhetoric' , on my part. My message is clear, and constant. That you can't or won't see this, is part amusing, but mostly sad. Either you're intentionally attempting to distort my views, you truly are brainwashed, or just not that bright.

The video wasn't saying we should be thankful for BP giving us the oil spill, you wanker. It's a response to those on the Left ( and the WH resident ) , for constantly vilifying BIG OIL, as if they're always in the wrong, always evil, and have given us nothing, only taken.

I think you should re-watch the video. Ya might learn something.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:17 PM

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The Department of Homeland Security is warning law enforcement officials about a rise in “rightwing extremist activity,” saying the economic recession, the election of America's first black president and the return of a few disgruntled war veterans could swell the ranks of white-power militias.

This memo, all the while the T.E.A. party rallies were going on, gives the clear impression that 'violent' acts may result from these uppity , angry white folk, on the Right. As it turns out, there was nothing to fear at all, from the law abiding citizens. The REAL problems, seems to be coming from the Left, and the OWS gang.

Two wrongs do not make a right. Calling Tea Partiers terrorists is as ridiculous as calling OWS terrorists.

It's also freezing my blood a little. I need my blood to push oxygen around my veins. :(

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:21 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello Mr. Raptor,

Let me try to focus your gaze.

Your claims about Obama's master plan to destroy America closely resemble the claimed "OWS Terrorist" statements.

Are you a Leftist? Is he a Righty?

Are you in the OWS movement?

If his belief system is more in line with yours than the OWS, how is he an "OWS Terrorist?"

Or is the OWS belief system in line with yours?

Your message intent is clear to me, though your statements are hardly consistent in any aspect but one.

"Raptor will make any statement against his enemies, even a sequence of contradictory statements in multiple threads at the same time."

Not only are you incapable of consistency, you accuse others of wrongdoing when your inconsistencies are pointed out to you.

As though it is THEIR fault that you can't navigate a single line of reasoning or train of thought.

And of course you resort to insults when logic fails. Logic inevitably fails you, because the only thing logically consistent with your varied statements is the object you wish to destroy.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:46 PM

KIRKULES

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
AU calling protesters terrorism is terrifying me.

This is what the country has come to. All left-wingers are terrorists to the right-wing and all right-wingers are terrorists to the left wing?

And what happens when people with those same views get into power and enforce those labels?

Chilling.

I agree that it's wrong for both sides to do it, but you can't blame AURaptor for poking fun when the shoe is on the other foot. For example, it would be funnier than hell if the media started asking Democrats now if they think the attempt on the Presidents life was the result of hateful rhetoric by them and their OWS buddies. It wont happen of course, but you can’t blame people for laughing if it does.

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:48 PM

America loves a winner!

A - I posted the link to an article which clearly explains the basis of why some think Obama is trying to destroy our economy. Despite his claims to " focus like a laser beam " on solving the crisis, he's gone a long way to get legislation passed which is designed to crash the system.

Is he so naive, he doesn't see this, or is it exactly what he's trying to do ?

As for Mr Ortega-Hernandez, who shot at the White House, it seems you're ignoring the fact ( or not getting it from the MSM ) that prior to the shooting, he spent his time in and around the Occupy crowd.

He looks like an Occupy type, too. Not a hard stretch to connect the dots.

But to be fair, taking pot shot at the WH does seem a 'crazy first' sort of thing. So, while we can list the ever growing # of violent acts committed around and by the Occupy types, you're willing to let this one go, huh?

Got it.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:06 PM

Ehhh, yeah, okay.

Still chilling though.

Wait. There's a snow storm moving in outside. Maybe that's it.

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:14 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

You not only posted a link to, but espoused the belief that Obama is the head of a conspiracy of people in the Federal government seeking to intentionally crash the system and destroy America as we know it.

This rhetoric is very similar to the rhetoric of this 'terrorist,' who believes Obama and the Feds are out to harm him.

You SHARE the belief that Obama and his agents in the Fed are out to harm us all.

So why isn't this man a Raptor terrorist? Why is he an OWS terrorist?

I'll tell you why. Because whatever this man believed, he can be connected to the OWS movement. That is enough for you to call him an OWS Terrorist.

Anything that will allow you to attack the Other is fair game. Even if you have to overlook the fact that you made very similar statements to those the 'terrorist' made.

The important thing is this: If this guy is an OWS terrorist then you get to classify OWS as a Domestic Terrorist Group, suspend their civil liberties, imprison them indefinitely, and waterboard them for the good of the United States of America.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Chrissy - If you're aiming to misbehave, don't you think there ought to be a reason ? Other than Johnny has more toys than I do, so I'm gonna smash everything, even my own stuff, because life isn't "fair" ?

Pardon me whilst I talk to myself for a bit.
Chrisisall, you're a STUPID FUCKING IDIOT.
Wha- why???
Because, douche, you expect to get through AU's self-serving crap, THAT'S why.
But maybe if I can-
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! There's NOTHING you can say that will get through to him, hear? He's solid status quo, dig? Adamantium solid. Back in the day he'd have called Washington a seditious terrorist. That level of deep fear is more is more powerful than any fucking thing you could possibly ever say to him or anyone like him.
But even Darth Vader-
DON'T PULL THAT FANTASY CRAP AGAIN!!! He's a scared little bunny on MacGreggor's farm, not a gorram galactic villain! He's never had a real fight in his life (apart from all those melvins in junior high... and that girl that knocked him down once). 'Fair' and 'unfair' are just hard words to him. Without a full spectrum of actual life experience from which to draw, concepts form within a vacuum. Look Chris, do yourself and all the rest here a favour, and just BITE YOUR GODDAMN FUCKING TONGUE when Rappy says ANYTHING political, K?
Lalalalalalal I can't hear you.
Dumass.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 2:45 PM

America loves a winner!

So, no reason to give, huh?

mmmkay. thanks bunches.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:00 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, no reason to give, huh?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/11/17/momentum-builds-for-insider-t
rading-ban-for-congress/

The biting-tongue Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:17 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

The order has come from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave to the city mayors " shut it down". There is no wide spread appeal for the Occutards as there is for the TEA party. Crime, trash, disease...and a muddled message has doomed this stunt to the point that even the Dems now want it to go away.

And it shall.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

But you said that this was a coordinated effort by Obama to collapse the American system.

How can he collapse the system by shutting down the OWS movement?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:19 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

You not only posted a link to, but espoused the belief that Obama is the head of a conspiracy of people in the Federal government seeking to intentionally crash the system and destroy America as we know it.

This rhetoric is very similar to the rhetoric of this 'terrorist,' who believes Obama and the Feds are out to harm him.

You SHARE the belief that Obama and his agents in the Fed are out to harm us all.

So why isn't this man a Raptor terrorist? Why is he an OWS terrorist?

I'll tell you why. Because whatever this man believed, he can be connected to the OWS movement. That is enough for you to call him an OWS Terrorist.

Anything that will allow you to attack the Other is fair game. Even if you have to overlook the fact that you made very similar statements to those the 'terrorist' made.

The important thing is this: If this guy is an OWS terrorist then you get to classify OWS as a Domestic Terrorist Group, suspend their civil liberties, imprison them indefinitely, and waterboard them for the good of the United States of America.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

Looking at the man's statements, beliefs, and location, I find it quite a bit easier to believe that he's a tea-bagger than an OWS supporter. Thinks Obama's out to get him, thinks Obama's the anti-Christ, etc. Sounds like a tea-bagging militia member. Or Wulfie. Same difference.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:24 PM

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

Of course, the reality is that this shooter is mentally disturbed, but the desire to label him an 'OWS Terrorist' is indeed amusing, considering where we usually get this sort of rhetoric. Even today, Mr. Raptor himself posted his belief in an Obama conspiracy to destroy America. Yet this shooter is claimed to be following an OWS philosophy?

The claim is only made because it is a convenient one for his purposes.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:40 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:

The claim is only made because it is a convenient one for his purposes.

Yeah Tony, it's like a kid forcing puzzle pieces to fit regardless of the picture it presents in the end- the tyke can still say it's done.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
But you said that this was a coordinated effort by Obama to collapse the American system.

How can he collapse the system by shutting down the OWS movement?

Because!

- Rappy inspired response, shortened for brevity & less long-ness.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:39 PM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Oh, gawd, Chris, I nearly fell over laughing. PRICELESS! I used to have that internal argument myself, until I woke up and figured it out. Thank you, that was downright great!

I started reading from the bottom, but I had to stop when I got to that one...reading anything beyond that; would just be a waste, and spoil it.

Quote:
Without a full spectrum of actual life experience from which to draw, concepts form within a vacuum.

Most excellent, most excellent. Now, how do we make everyone else see the light so we can have INTELLIGENT conversations? I've given up on that one, tho' I'll continue to remind people. But that everyone should have that same internal argument whenever tempted, but I know that's too much to hope for.

Just felt reeeel good to hear someone else having it! Many thanx.

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:46 PM

*kisses to Niki*

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, November 18, 2011 3:01 AM

America loves a winner!

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They are whining. They have no solutions. Only pointing out the problems. I have no patience for people like that.

This from a liberal on another forum, on the OWS gang.

On this point, we agree.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, November 18, 2011 6:34 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

*hugs back to Chris* Anthony's awakened, did you see?

Maybe you and he and I could have discussions now and then (maybe with others who've "got it"?) and ignore the efforts to thread jack and get attention? Probably wouldn't work, tho', because others would get drawn in and then take the bait, and the discussion would become the usual back and forth. But hey, I can dream...

Meant to tell you that I copied that post, printed it and put it above my computer. I'm hoping that when I'm in danger of getting drawn in, I can read it and remember reality. I still have no problem refuting his idiocy...ONCE...and then moving on, but what you described, oh, how often I had that battle before it became habit not to take the bait. So double thank you.

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Friday, November 18, 2011 3:28 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So, no reason to give, huh?

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/11/17/momentum-builds-for-insider-t
rading-ban-for-congress/

No intelligent response to this response. But, there really can't be, can there?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 20, 2011 9:07 AM

Beir bua agus beannacht

I haven't said anything before, but I don't understand what the big to-do about Raptor's posts is. If he says something that matters to me and I find worth responding to then I respond, just like I would with anyone else on this forum, you're all people after all. I don't see why that's rocket science. But apparently it is because we have Niki making long posts about how she doesn't respond to Raptor and how everyone else should do the same, we have her deriding people who do spend time going 'round and 'round with him, even though I think the people who do that like doing it, aka Quicko and possibly Anthony. I don't see what the issue is, if you want to respond then do it, if you don't then don't. Its not all that complicated. Its up to you.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:02 AM

America loves a winner!

It's because I don't fall in line with niki's political & social views, so I must be demented , and therefor mocked & shunned. But not so shunned that SHE can't keep taking her shots. It's rather sad, juvenile & counterproductive for forum , or real life.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:12 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I can only speak for myself, Riona, but I see no such post as you went after me for--the longest post here is BY Raptor, an intended diss (as is every single thing he writes on the subject) of OWS.

I wasn't aware I "derided" others, I merely said that in my own opinion, my choice of how to deal with him is preferable to others. Sorry you weren't here to see how HE and THEY have dealt with ME in the past, but I've never reciprocated to any similar degree.

I recognize those who take the bait enjoy doing so, Mike has said as much and I've acknowledged it. You haven't noticed that I stopped trying to persuade Mike after he made that clear. I have made a different choice, and one which I believe is less thread-jacking, as well as cutting off the discussion when I felt it WAS taking over the thread. That you single me out is interesting, given comments by others in the past few days. Others have made some pretty strong remarks about Raptor and the inability to communicate with them as well. I assume you either haven't noticed that or choose not to for some reason regarding your feelings about me.

His response to you is a perfect example of his deliberate mindset that he claims it's because he disagrees with my political stance that I deride him, when he knows perfectly well that I've made it quite clear it's not about that at all. It's a typical tactic; ignore whatever's been said before and utilize the same attack over and over, however false it's been proven--and toss in a few negative remarks about the person's character wherever possible to boot. Which he does on a regular basis; to say "SHE can take her shots", when he never fails to take a shot at me, WHATEVER I WRITE, whether it has to do with him or not. You might glance over threads I've put up, you'll find that Raptor is right there, tossing out snarks and personal derisiveness; MOST of the time I pass right over his stuff, which can't be said of him. So maybe a little perspective would help.

This discussion is getting off topic, again, so I'm going to try to leave it here. I was not the one who started discussing Raptor or "going after" him, if you read the thread, so why not go after Chris, whose post was an uproarious snark? It's far more derisive than mine...

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Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:27 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Just read through the thread from beginning to end. Anthony, Mike, and especially Chris went after Raptor before I even SHOWED UP, so where you get "But apparently it is because we have Niki making long posts about how she doesn't respond to Raptor and how everyone else should do the same" I don't know. Raptor was being derided and laughed at before I even ARRIVED at this site, and there are people here who make it a point to go after him, which I don't...I only respond to clarify his lies, to reply to someone else who's "gotten it", and to remind people that he's not HERE to communicate, only to push people's buttons and get attention.

So BLAMING me for why people go after Raptor is very interesting, and rather personally offensive. That said, I'm going to try and get away from this topic and back to the real one.

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Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:13 PM

Beir bua agus beannacht

Hi Niki, I don't have any negative feelings towards you, I just notice, in lots of threads, that you often post about how you don't post about what Raptor says anymore and you say that others should look to that. I know others are starting to do it more, but you've been doing it a lot, particularly since summertime. I understand why you do it to a degree but you seem to do it a lot. If you want I can point it out to you when you do it so you see examples of what I mean. I'm not saying you can't do it or anything, you can do whatever you like, I'm just saying you do it a lot, that's all.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, November 21, 2011 9:09 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Of course I know I do it a lot; that's my intention. And I'm not saying others "should" do the same, I just keep pointing out what his intetions are and hope people I like and respect wake up to how much time they waste trying to communicate with someone who has no desire whatsoever to communicate, only to trigger people into responding to his absurdities and provocation. Nobody has to, obviously, and I'll go right on mentioning it when I see it. I don't need you or anyone else keeping track, but thank you for your offer.

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Monday, November 21, 2011 9:44 AM

The right wing has used some very inflammatory remarks towards Niki in the past, more than any I can recall she's used at them. They are not deserved, but I can also see how she might personally ruffle their feathers, beyond just the viewpoints she has in contrast to theirs.

It's a matter of what buttons get hit and the impressions that get made, and how it's gone about. Social dynamics between two conflicting groups are such that someone inevitably makes themselves into a target. The impression is accidentally given that they are an outspoken "true believer" usually through a long process that involves defense of a figure or idea overshadowing any objections they might have (which do exist). This impression is often erroneous, and members of both sides may be surprised when the person seems to deviate from expectations, but these instances of common ground are quickly forgotten.

As the usual arguments go on and escalate into dog piling and name calling, some instances worse than others, it results in a true division between both sides. Each side believes everything the other side says seems to be lies and falsehoods, and that the other side seems to be deliberately trying to provoke them. It becomes difficult to determine who started any single argument, and it appears that it's really just one very long multiple year fight stretched out over many threads. Both sides genuinely dislike each other, and think it would be better if the other side were just gone, and try their darndest to chase their opponents off.

It has happened on many boards that I have seen, and I imagine it sounds similar to all of you. As a neutral party, I actually don't believe that any of you are here to simply cause strife (though I admit I have thought so in the past, to my shame), and so I will not join in on any shunning or mockery of anyone, and will and have defended anyone subject to it in the past.

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Monday, November 21, 2011 9:56 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

so I must be demented , and therefor mocked & shunned.

How's the view from your cross?

Also, many of us mock you becuase you're an idiot. Not that you're expected to grasp this.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:35 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I got an e-mail today which explained why someone is rarely here in the same way others who have disappeared have explained it to me off the board. It also reminded me of something I want to put out there. Nobody's noticed, but I stopped saying I would ignore Raptor quite some time ago. I still say and will continue to say that I think things would be much more interesting here if everyone (or most everyone) did, or at the very least chose, not to engage him over and over. That isn't intended to try to control anyone or tell them what they "should" do, it's just my opinion. I know from private communication that we have lost some of our best "voices" because everything seems to end up centered around him, which is the major reason I keep fighting my lonely fight.

But I don't ignore him, and stopped doing so when I made the decision to proceed as I do now.

--I don't read all his posts, and when I bother to read and it starts out the way I know it's going to go, I usually pass over the rest.

--But I will continue to remind people of what I am firmly convinced is his sole purpose in being here: to provoke others into attempting to debate him, so he can create a back-and-forth which MAKES him the center of attention.

--I will continue to clarify what I believe are misstatements or out-and-out lies on his part.

--I will continue to agree with those who see through him sometimes, and

--I will continue to mock him.

I say all this because it's getting a bit irksome to have people saying over and over that I vowed to ignore him yet am not ignoring him, so I hope this clarifies my position. It's only a bit irksome, however, and I have NO problem with people reminding me, castigating me or anything ELSE about my stance, it's my choice and we each decide how to deal with the problem.

The fact remains that yes, it IS a problem. We have lost good voices, or voices which now only pop in now and again, because of the "Raptor problem", and for that reason alone. That is simply a fact. It bothers me a LOT--totally selfishly--that one person can make a place so unpleasant, because I value getting to know people who want to communicate--after all, that's what we're here for. I know the bottom line is "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", but that doesn't excuse that nastiness, condescension and just plain meanness of the person who makes people want to leave and, I believe, does it solely for the sake of getting attention.

So I will only say this once: I am not ignoring Raptor. I have explained what I AM doing; people can take it or leave it, like it or not, but it's one thing which keeps ME from giving up on this place and leaving myself, and I have as much right as anyone to express my opinion, AND to go on dreaming...

My apologies for threadjacking and making this about me, I just wanted to clarify a misconception I think people have of my intentions.

ETA: Byte, I understand what you're saying and I respect your desire to defend people you feel need defending. I always try not to be as vicious as some have been to me, and I think I've succeeded for the most part. It's actually quite easy; I like to communicate more than I like to attack others, and I don't want to feel about myself the way I would feel if I were as visious as some have been to me. Certainly I fail and no doubt will do so in future, but at least I do try. The only other thing I will say is that I don't wish to see any "side" or any one disappear per se; I wish all those who honestly want to get to know others and discuss things were part of this group, and I'm not trying to chase anyone off...not that I could! My intention is just to hope that if enough people see what's really happening, there oculd at LEAST be fewer threads ending up the way so many do now. That's all.

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Monday, November 21, 2011 12:28 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

OWS protestors fire bullets at Hussein Obama White House

Police send tanks to 'rescue' OWS protesters from assassinating 'Obama zombie', OWS assassin has 'ISRAEL' tatooed on neck
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=50235

Hussein Obama OWS assassin has ISRAEL tatoo on neck

Now all cops can perp all violence including deadly force on OWS protestors...

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:44 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Is this like the THIRD time you've posted this on different threads, PN, or did you put yet another post in two separate threads? If you could just accept that people will SEE your crap the first time, and you'd not litter multiple threads with it, that would be awfully nice. Especially when the crap is totally irrelevant to the subject at hand...what in gawd's name does any of this have to do with "Occupy crackdown"? Nada, obviously, but you've just got to stick your fingers in somewhere, don'tcha?

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:07 AM

Niki: No, I don't suppose I actually have ever heard you say that you wish you could run people off, but you do say that some members have a disruptive presence here. I guess I thought it was implied.

Anyway, that's just the dynamic how I see it. Obviously each of you will have a better idea of your own motivations that I would.

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:25 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

No, it was never implied. My WISH would be for all of us to be able to communicate without abusing one another. I have nothing against differing opinions of philosophies or politics, but the personal nastiness I see and experience here is very off-putting. I assume it's just the way of some internet sites, but I wish we could just ignore it, if nothing else. That's just a WISH, please let me be clear, and just my personal wish, nothing more. People like Kane, with no intent except to be as personally vicious, obscene and vile as humanly possible, and my belief that Raptor is here ONLY for the purpose of triggering others and moving threads from their original intent to arguments which make him the center of attention, those I abhor. I learned to ignore Kane, but then virtually everyone DID; I ENCOURAGE others to ignore Raptor's game as well, because it wastes everyone's time, turns people away and makes discussion impossible. I suppose I have some kind of ridiculous hope that if everyone did, he'd try to be more decent and settle for SOME attention, but I've never been too bright in that respect, so if he wouldn't, I wouldn't mind his leaving. I'd prefer it if he would stop being condescending, personally attacking and unpleasant, and make it possible to communicate with him rationally. I'm not holding my breath.

Oh, ETA: I have no problem whatsoever with being a target; nothing anyone says here can possibly hurt me. Given there are others who CAN be hurt and I hate that and they might be driven away because of it, I guess I'd even rather be a target than them. Just to make that clear.

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 10:50 AM

Okay. I can go rework the theory a bit.

It's a little nice to know that hard feelings on this board aren't as bad as I thought.

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Tuesday, November 22, 2011 4:23 PM