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Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:08 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Almost exactly a year ago, members of Congress voted overwhelmingly to censure their colleague Charlie Rangel for bringing dishonor on the House. Then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi summoned the New York Democrat to the well and chastised the congressman for his 11 ethics violations, which included improper fundraising.

This week, Rangel again brought the House into disrepute — but this time he had the full support of his colleagues.

“Last night marked a momentous evening in my campaign for re-election,” Rangel wrote Thursday in a letter to supporters. “At a special event in Washington, Democratic leaders including Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, James Clyburn, Sandy Levin, John Con­yers, Emmanuel Cleaver, and Steve Israel stood by my side and pledged their unwavering support on my behalf. I am so humbled and grateful for their involvement.”

As further evidence of how he had gone from opprobrium to affirmation, Rangel attached an article from Politico headlined “What Censure? Rangel’s Back.” The article included quotes from Rangel taunting the House ethics committee members and saying his censure was all for show.

It’s hard to quarrel with Rangel’s reasoning. The fete Wednesday night at the upscale Bistro Bis, near Union Station, was a way for House Democrats to demonstrate that their punishment of the defrocked Ways and Means committee chairman was insincere. By attending the up-to-$5,000-per-ticket soiree, they were proclaiming that all was forgiven.

The public is not nearly so forgiving. The Rangel party — to which lobbyists and other influence seekers paid to gain access, and favor among, party leaders — goes a long way toward explaining why Americans’ approval of Congress has dropped to 9 percent.

The speedy rehabilitation of a member who received the House’s first censure in nearly three decades is a symptom of what has destroyed trust in government and the ability of that government to function. As Harvard law professor Lawrence Lessig, an ethics specialist, put it to me this week: “Who would ever trust such a system?” And “how can this government continue to behave like this?”

Lessig, who began his career as a clerk to Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia but who now describes himself as a liberal, wrote the just-released book “Republic, Lost,” about how both parties in Washington engage in “a corruption practiced by decent people” that has discredited government.

“The great threat to our republic today comes not from the hidden bribery of the Gilded Age,” he writes, but from “the economy of influence now transparent to all, which has normalized a process that draws our democracy away from the will of the people. . . . We have created instead an engine of influence that seeks simply to make those most connected rich.”

There’s hardly the need for more evidence to support such an obvious thesis, but more presents itself each day. On Thursday, the day after Rangel’s romp at Bistro Bis, lawmakers spent the day grilling Energy Secretary Steven Chu on how the Obama administration allowed a politically well-connected company called Solyndra to squander half a billion taxpayer dollars when the solar energy company went belly-up. Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) quizzed Chu about George Kaiser, an Obama donor and an investor whose venture capital firm had a stake in Solyndra, who “was in and around the White House at least 16 times in the time period that the Solyndra loan program was being reviewed.”

Chu denied this had anything to do with the decision. Maybe so, but in this pay-to-play system, who’s going to believe it?

It’s not as if Republicans are in a solid position to challenge the Democrats’ influence-peddling. The Solyndra hearing came just after reports emerged that Newt Gingrich, this week’s surprise front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination, had received at least $1.6 million in consulting fees from Freddie Mac. He took the money even as Republicans were trying to abolish the mortgage giant and even though he criticized President Obama for accepting campaign contributions from its executives.

But when it comes to hypocrisy, you have to raise a glass to the Democratic leaders who went for cocktails with Rangel donors who paid $500 for individual access and $5,000 to be political action committee “chairs.” “No corporate checks, please,” one solicitation reminded, under Rangel’s name.

The early solicitations promised access to “special guests” such as Hoyer, before the “great news” came out that Pelosi would attend. For lobbyists too busy to join, the campaign “would be willing to set up your own event” with Rangel.

For a man who just 11 months ago was censured for ethics violations, it was particularly brazen. What’s truly scandalous is how routine it was.



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I'm more and more thinking "None of the Above" might be the best vote in 2012.


"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, November 20, 2011 8:49 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Wouldn't it be cool if enough people wrote that into their ballot to really send a message?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, November 21, 2011 4:03 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Wouldn't it be cool if enough people wrote that into their ballot to really send a message?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya



Just for fun, I just sent an email to my county Board of Elections and asked what would happen if a majority or plurality wrote in "None of the Above" in an election.

Wonder if I'll get an answer.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, November 21, 2011 4:18 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


And serendipitiously, I was looking up the counter-culture figure Wavy Gravy in reference to the 'kid named Hitler' thread, because he named his son 'Howdy Do-Good Gravy Tomahawk truckstop Romney', and came across this on wiki.

" Nobody's Business/Nobody for President

Gravy established the store Nobody's Business across the road from the Hog Farm,[21] reminiscent of his "Nobody for President" campaign — as in: "Who's in Washington right now working to make the world a safer place? Nobody!"; "Nobody's Perfect"; "Nobody Keeps All Promises"; "Nobody Should Have That Much Power"; etc.[22] The joke had previously been used in the 1932 short film Betty Boop for President.

The "Nobody for President" campaign held a rally across from the White House on November 4, 1980 that included Yippies and a few anarchists to promote the option of "none of the above" choice on the ballot. After criticizing Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and John B. Anderson, the committee offered the "perfect" candidate: Nobody. "Nobody makes apple pie better than Mom. And Nobody will love you when you're down and out." Gravy told a crowd of 50 onlookers at the rally."



"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Monday, November 21, 2011 5:23 PM

CANTTAKESKY


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" Nobody's Business/Nobody for President

I love it.

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Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth. -- Lucy Parsons (1853-1942, labor activist and anarcho-communist)

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Monday, November 21, 2011 5:36 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I'd have a hard time choosing between Betty Boop and Nobody, they've both got such great credencials, enough publicity experience but not too much corporate connections, How about Nobody/Boop 2012?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, November 21, 2011 7:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


I seriously wonder how many key GOP leaders will support Newt Gingrich in his election bid.


I guess his ethical lapses and enormous fines and being forced out of the Speakership are all water under the bridge now...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 2:48 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Just for fun, I just sent an email to my county Board of Elections and asked what would happen if a majority or plurality wrote in "None of the Above" in an election.

Wonder if I'll get an answer.

"Keep the Shiny side up"



And I did get an answer.

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Dear Mr. Geezer,

Thank you for contacting our office. Section 3 of the Virginia Constitution states (in part) that "In elections other than primary elections, provision shall be made whereby votes may be cast for persons other than the listed candidates or nominees." Since "None of the Above" is not a "person," it would be counted as an "Invalid" write-in vote. In Virginia, there is no provision for rejecting all of the candidates for a given office.

Thank you for writing and for your interest in voting. Happy Thanksgiving!


Judy Flaig, CERA
Election Manager
Fairfax County, VA
Tel: 703-324-4735
Fax: 703-324-4706



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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:10 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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And I did get an answer.

The answer is consistent with the premise that SOMEONE must fill that position. To eliminate the position altogether, one must go through the tedious route of legislation instead of direct vote.

What else did we expect, right?

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Never be deceived that the rich will allow you to vote away their wealth. -- Lucy Parsons (1853-1942, labor activist and anarcho-communist)

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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:17 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by canttakesky:
The answer is consistent with the premise that SOMEONE must fill that position. To eliminate the position altogether, one must go through the tedious route of legislation instead of direct vote.

What else did we expect, right?



So you end up having to choose the lesser of two (or however many) evils, or not voting, or taking potshots at whoever wins. Too bad the voters can't say, in effect, "None of these are suitable. Try again."

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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
The answer is consistent with the premise that SOMEONE must fill that position. To eliminate the position altogether, one must go through the tedious route of legislation instead of direct vote.

What else did we expect, right?



So you end up having to choose the lesser of two (or however many) evils, or not voting, or taking potshots at whoever wins. Too bad the voters can't say, in effect, "None of these are suitable. Try again."




Some form of parliamentary democracy starts to look pretty good sometimes, eh? At least we could have a vote of no confidence and toss out the lot of 'em and make 'em start over!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Mike, I have long wished we had a Parliamentary system here--modified to fit us, of course. There are things wrong with it, but the concept of tossing 'em all out has a certain appeal. I'm not sure how it works, but I'm guessing if we DID, wouldn't we end up in this case with McCain/Palin in office? Or...or...the Orange Man! Perish the thought!!



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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


As I understand it, when you have a vote of no confidence, you don't just replace the leader(s) with the next in line. They're out, and you have to hold a whole new election to pick a new leader. And the one you just threw out can run, too, if he or she wishes.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, November 23, 2011 7:27 AM

PIZMOBEACH

... fully loaded, safety off...


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
The answer is consistent with the premise that SOMEONE must fill that position. To eliminate the position altogether, one must go through the tedious route of legislation instead of direct vote.

What else did we expect, right?



So you end up having to choose the lesser of two (or however many) evils, or not voting, or taking potshots at whoever wins. Too bad the voters can't say, in effect, "None of these are suitable. Try again."



What's involved in getting someone (Nonay Otabove) onto a ballot? I'd love to see the introduction, "Good evening Ladies and Gentlemen, I'm Nobody. Here's my anti-platform..."
Obviously it would be a real person, meeting all the requirments, but it would be well known that a vote for this person was a Vote for Nobody.

ETA:

"Third-party and independent candidates have a much tougher time of it. States may require a potential candidate get a large number of voter signatures, pay steep filing fees, and follow lots of complicated procedures before he or she can get on the ballot. According to Richard Winger, publisher of the nonpartisan Ballot Access News, such a candidate may have to gather as many as 750,000 signatures and fork over filing fees of $8,100 to get on the presidential ballot in all 50 states. Even for a motivated and organized candidate, these requirements are daunting. For example, in the 2000 presidential election, the high-profile Green Party candidate, Ralph Nader, didn't make it onto the ballot in three states.

Many, but not all, states allow voters to write in a candidate's name on the ballot itself. States may limit this to just the primaries or open it to the general election. The write-in candidates are often required to register in advance and pay the same filing fees as other candidates. Also, court rulings have made it possible for more states to eliminate write-in voting completely."

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:11 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


In OR, there is always a blank space to fill in and write in the name of the person you want to vote for. I voted for my little brother for sherrif once, when he was younger he really wanted to be a sherrif when he grew up so I wrote his name in the spot. I've also voted for several Firefly charactors for various positions, only when I didn't really care who actually got elected of course.

So could we all pick someone to vote for for president in 2012 in the blank slot on the ballot. Maybe we should follow Mal4prez's example and vote Malcolm Reynolds? But I suppose voting for a third party candidate would say more.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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