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OWS Getting Under Tea Party's Skin

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Makes me giggle:
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Tea Partiers are boiling mad at what they call preferential treatment being given Occupy Wall Street and its spinoffs by municipalities, police and the media.

Tea Party leaders say that if they had flaunted city laws and regulations or had engaged in violence and property destruction, they'd have been shown no coddling. What's more, OWS, they complain, is getting a free ride: In Richmond, Tea Partiers miffed at what they call the mayor's favoritism toward Occupy have billed the city $10,000.

That's the amount of money the Tea Party has had to pay for permits and city services related to its rallies. By contrast, they point out, Occupy Richmond has paid not a dime. Nor has the city tried to collect from Occupy. So, says the Tea Party, it wants its money back.

Tea Party spokesperson Colleen Owens, asked if her group has yet been repaid, says: "No, we haven't received any money back. We showed up Monday at a City Council meeting, hoping to have some face time with the mayor, to ask him why he had been so lenient with Occupy and had allowed them to break the law. But just as our turn came to talk, he got up and left."

Tammy Hawley, a spokesman for the mayor, confirms the Tea Party has asked for a refund but rejects their assertion that Occupy was given a free ride. Occupy, she argues, didn't need a permit, since "there are no permits to allow 24 hour encampment on public property." As for repaying the Tea Party's fees: The city has received the Tea Party's request, which, she says, "is still presently under consideration."

Elsewhere around the country, the difference between the way the two groups are being treated seems to be getting under the Tea Party's skin.

Steve Davies, a Tea Party Patriot, posts on the Patriots' web site that he detects a pro-Occupy bias by the news media and Washington's political establishment. While the establishment "have joined together to parrot the phrases and champion the causes of the violent, criminal, anti-American Occupy Wall Street protesters," he asserts, the same establishment has referred to law-abiding Tea Partiers as 'any angry mob' of 'terrorists.'"

Tom Basile, a co-founder of New York's Tea Party, tells ABC News his members have always sought to cooperate with law enforcement, pay fees and observe local ordinances. "When we've done our rallies in the past," he explains, "we've been very careful to work with NYPD and any city official we needed to ensure that the area was going to be properly utilized and maintained and cleaned following."

That shows a respect, he says, for government and for the community that "We are not seeing from Occupy. That movement has been defined by mayhem, arrests, sexual assaults, STDs, police encounters, vandalism and outright criminal behavior."

Tea Partiers profess bewilderment that their comparatively civilized deportment has not earned them an automatica friendly reception from big-city mayors. "We're made to jump through a lot of hoops," complains Sal Russo, a Tea Party strategist in northern California and co-founder of the national Tea Party Express. "We have to pay for security, to hire off-duty officers. It becomes really expensive. We have to provide toilets. When I heard Occupy has no bathrooms, I was annoyed. They get away with a lot of things we don't." The situation is especially egregious, he says, in "big urban areas where you have municipal officials who tend to be liberal."

Tammy Hawley, a spokesman for the mayor, confirms the Tea Party has asked for a refund but rejects their assertion that Occupy was given a free ride. Occupy, she argues, didn't need a permit, since "there are no permits to allow 24 hour encampment on public property." As for repaying the Tea Party's fees: The city has received the Tea Party's request, which, she says, "is still presently under consideration."

Elsewhere around the country, the difference between the way the two groups are being treated seems to be getting under the Tea Party's skin.

Steve Davies, a Tea Party Patriot, posts on the Patriots' web site that he detects a pro-Occupy bias by the news media and Washington's political establishment. While the establishment "have joined together to parrot the phrases and champion the causes of the violent, criminal, anti-American Occupy Wall Street protesters," he asserts, the same establishment has referred to law-abiding Tea Partiers as 'any angry mob' of 'terrorists.'"

Tom Basile, a co-founder of New York's Tea Party, tells ABC News his members have always sought to cooperate with law enforcement, pay fees and observe local ordinances. "When we've done our rallies in the past," he explains, "we've been very careful to work with NYPD and any city official we needed to ensure that the area was going to be properly utilized and maintained and cleaned following."

That shows a respect, he says, for government and for the community that "We are not seeing from Occupy. That movement has been defined by mayhem, arrests, sexual assaults, STDs, police encounters, vandalism and outright criminal behavior."

Tea Partiers profess bewilderment that their comparatively civilized deportment has not earned them an automatica friendly reception from big-city mayors. "We're made to jump through a lot of hoops," complains Sal Russo, a Tea Party strategist in northern California and co-founder of the national Tea Party Express. "We have to pay for security, to hire off-duty officers. It becomes really expensive. We have to provide toilets. When I heard Occupy has no bathrooms, I was annoyed. They get away with a lot of things we don't." The situation is especially egregious, he says, in "big urban areas where you have municipal officials who tend to be liberal."

A memo to the ABA by Washington lobbying firm Clark, Lytle, Geduldig & Cranford .... lays out a strategy for counteracting OWS's burgeoning power, saying: "It would be easy to dismiss OWS as a ragtag group of protesters, but they have demonstrated that they should be treated more like an organized competitor who is very nimble and capable of working the media…and engaging office holders to do their bidding."

Research is required, says the memo, "to understand who is funding it [OWS] and what their background and motives are. If we can show they have the same cynical motivation as a political opponent it will undermine their credibility in a profound way."

That goal, says the memo, is achievable in 60 days at a cost of $850,000.

Clark, Lytle, asked for comment by ABC News, did not reply. ABA spokesman Jeff Sigmund responds: "Our government relations staff received the proposal. It was unsolicited, and we chose not to act on it in any way." http://abcnews.go.com/Business/tea-party-response-occupy-wall-st/story
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"An organized competitor". Kind of says it all, don't it?

These poor deluded fools don't realize they were manipulated into being a nice, peaceful bunch having their little "tea parties" who were doing the very work TPTB WANTED them to, so of COURSE they were treated nicely. Had they dared to voice complaints that actually went AGAINST what TPTB wanted, they'd have found out soon enough! But "less government" was quite welcome, so they were encouraged to do their little "protesting" and treated with kid gloves.

To say OWS is getting "preferential treatment" is such a laugh, considering what's been going on. The GOP was quite happy to welcome their candidates--tho' the push to the right has been tough for people like the Orange Man, who actually UNDERSTAND how government works. But that's been about the most uncomfortable thing their entire movement produced, while we are a threat, and being handled that way.

I knew they never "got it", but this is just too damned funny (and sad!). Obviously they also haven't noticed that we're ten times as popular with the American people as they are, too...

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:06 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Tea-baggers say the OWS is getting preferential treatment.

I really do wonder what would happen if a large group of OWS protesters showed up with guns strapped on at the next protest. We've seen tea-baggers do it - all the while screaming that Obama is taking our guns - and nothing came of it.

Do you think the cops would just stand by if a group of OWS folk showed up armed?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:37 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Ahh, but they had control of the Tea Partiers, they knew nobody would actually SHOOT anyone, they were just there to show off, and their puppeteers had them well in hand. The Tea Party turned out to be wonderful tools to get even harder-right candidates into office, who could use their power to block abortions, stymie compromise and get rid of anything that might help the 99%. They were never a threat to TPTB.



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Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:46 AM

CANTTAKESKY


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Do you think the cops would just stand by if a group of OWS folk showed up armed?

Maybe that's why the Tea Partiers got preferential treatment. ;)

It seems rather childish to me, with all the problems ALL OF US are facing, to complain about preferential treatment.

It would be as if the parents are starving and beating the children, and one kid complains that the other kid gets beaten up less than him. Really?

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:50 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Tea-baggers say the OWS is getting preferential treatment.

I really do wonder what would happen if a large group of OWS protesters showed up with guns strapped on at the next protest. We've seen tea-baggers do it - all the while screaming that Obama is taking our guns - and nothing came of it.

Do you think the cops would just stand by if a group of OWS folk showed up armed?



There is preferential treatment, and I wrote about this a week ago, or more. Makes me wonder what the point of this tread is even for, to rehash old news ?

Anthony, when has there ever been a " large group of TEA party participants " show up with guns strapped on ? I recall ONE guy, showing up with a gun he had a permit to carry, in public. Yes, he was a TEA party activists, and yes, he was black. But he was also well with in his rights to do so, and there weren't anywhere near as violent a tone w/ the TEA party crowd as there is and continues to be with the OWS gang.

If the OWS gang has the right permits to carry, then by all means, bring it. The cops won't do a thing, because they can't do a thing.

Unfortunately, permits and doing things legally aren't high on the OWS gang's list of priorities. Seems more are carrying guns ILLEGALLY already, and killing people with those guns.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:53 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Well, I gotta say it: "That's what you get from a bunch of whiners". I think it's jealousy, and in my opinion they behaved like children in many ways anyway. From all those misspelled signs to their threats of "Second Amendment solutions" to this, it seems more like a playground bully who's pissed off because another kid is getting more attention to me. Kinda like the school bully screaming 'cuz one kid's got more lunch money than he was able to steal from another.

Talk about childish; what else is more childish than saying people who are getting beaten up, pepper sprayed, tear gassed, etc., are getting "treated better"? Oh, wait, I forgot; all they watch is FauxNews, so all they've seen is the "druggies and criminals" being violent, isn't it. And of course, THEY deserve it!

Omigawd:
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If the OWS gang has the right permits to carry, then by all means, bring it. The cops won't do a thing, because they can't do a thing.
Does he actually BELIEVE THAT??? Oh, wait, I forgot for a minute there...he's being stupidly provocative again for attention. Silly me. Wow, talk about buying the company line!



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Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:07 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


So, when 1 group obeys the law, and another group doesn't, you call that 'whining' ?

Really?

Would explain much. You expect everyone to just GIVE you what you want, ignoring the rules, no matter what.

I know, I can see why folks following the rules would really bend your mind. Though not in the way you're likely use to having it bent, baked or buzzed.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:19 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Tea-baggers say the OWS is getting preferential treatment.

I really do wonder what would happen if a large group of OWS protesters showed up with guns strapped on at the next protest. We've seen tea-baggers do it - all the while screaming that Obama is taking our guns - and nothing came of it.

Do you think the cops would just stand by if a group of OWS folk showed up armed?



There is preferential treatment, and I wrote about this a week ago, or more. Makes me wonder what the point of this tread is even for, to rehash old news ?

Anthony, when has there ever been a " large group of TEA party participants " show up with guns strapped on ? I recall ONE guy, showing up with a gun he had a permit to carry, in public. Yes, he was a TEA party activists, and yes, he was black. But he was also well with in his rights to do so, and there weren't anywhere near as violent a tone w/ the TEA party crowd as there is and continues to be with the OWS gang.

If the OWS gang has the right permits to carry, then by all means, bring it. The cops won't do a thing, because they can't do a thing.

Unfortunately, permits and doing things legally aren't high on the OWS gang's list of priorities. Seems more are carrying guns ILLEGALLY already, and killing people with those guns.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein




Your lack of grip on reality is showing again.

1) You misquoted, badly.

2) You misattributed as well. Anthony has posted nothing in this thread at all, and I didn't post what you claim.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:28 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Which did I do, misattribute, or misquote ?

Pick one.

And yes, I was watching NCIS,( Anthony DiNozzo ) while posting... which has no bearing on the substance of the ...man, Abby looks good


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:31 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Which did I do, misattribute, or misquote ?



You misquoted ME, and misattributed it to Anthony.

Can you follow that? Can you understand that they're not the same thing?

Son, how did your brain ever learn human speech?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:41 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


No, I accurately quoted you, just misattributed that quote to Anthony.

My, you are an eager beaver this morning, huh?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:48 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello Niki,

In dissatisfaction with the status quo, the Tea Party membership and the OWS share something in common.

However, the Tea Party has not been eager to break local laws, while the OWS has been eager to do so as part of its civil disobedience programs.

To paraphrase Doctor McCoy, "How can you get a damned illegal permit to do a damned illegal thing?"

The OWS is meeting resistance because they are breaking the law (aka the will of local government.) In many instances, this lawbreaking is intentional, and in some instances, the 'law' is being invented or re-interpreted ad hoc to outlaw OWS activities.

In any event, since much of the point of the OWS movement is 'disobedience' then pointing out differing treatment is moot. If the Tea Party holds weeks-long unlicensed encampments to protest something, they will enjoy some of the same problems as the OWS crowd, with the exception that the police may be more hesitant with wonder about the status of arms in the crowd.

On the side of the Tea Party, having people wonder, "Why are they getting preferential treatment" ignores the macings, encampment busting, and batons. What the Tea Party is actually complaining at is this: We wanted their heads busted in sooner.

Which is a lamentable position.

--Anthony


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Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:55 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
Ahh, but they had control of the Tea Partiers, they knew nobody would actually SHOOT anyone, they were just there to show off, and their puppeteers had them well in hand. The Tea Party turned out to be wonderful tools to get even harder-right candidates into office, who could use their power to block abortions, stymie compromise and get rid of anything that might help the 99%. They were never a threat to TPTB.


^
THIS.

My problem with a lotta this, either side, is either TPTB sockpuppetry, corporate astroturfing, or being STUPID enough to play their game by their rules, on fields of their choosing, and thus play right into their hands.

If the bastards of this world ain't howling for your head - then you have screwed up somewhere.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:56 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
On the side of the Tea Party, having people wonder, "Why are they getting preferential treatment" ignores the macings, encampment busting, and batons. What the Tea Party is actually complaining at is this: We wanted their heads busted in sooner.

Which is a lamentable position.


Nah, which is their "True Colors" as I pointed out all along.

Too many involved, again, either side - don't wanna CUT the leash, all they REALLY want is to change which hand happens to be holding it.

Fuck that.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:06 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Quote:

On the side of the Tea Party, having people wonder, "Why are they getting preferential treatment" ignores the macings, encampment busting, and batons. What the Tea Party is actually complaining at is this: We wanted their heads busted in sooner.

Which is a lamentable position.



The TEA party shows us that the message of dissatisfaction of the status quo can be sent via peaceful, legal means.

Too bad the OWS gang wasn't listening, or was, and refused to pay attention.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:34 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
No, I accurately quoted you, just misattributed that quote to Anthony.

My, you are an eager beaver this morning, huh?




Swing and a miss, again. No surprise there. Unless you can show me specifically where I used the exact words " large group of TEA party participants ", you're misquoted me. You put words in my mouth which I did not use, and you put quotes around them to attribute them as accurate, when in point of fact, no such words were typed by me (or by Anthony, for that matter).

I think what you're trying to say is that you PARAPHRASED me - you think you've got the gist of what I was saying, but not in my own words, so you're making it up on the fly. That's called paraphrasing, and again, you're not doing it very well.




"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:41 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello Niki,

In dissatisfaction with the status quo, the Tea Party membership and the OWS share something in common.

However, the Tea Party has not been eager to break local laws, while the OWS has been eager to do so as part of its civil disobedience programs.

To paraphrase Doctor McCoy, "How can you get a damned illegal permit to do a damned illegal thing?"

The OWS is meeting resistance because they are breaking the law (aka the will of local government.) In many instances, this lawbreaking is intentional, and in some instances, the 'law' is being invented or re-interpreted ad hoc to outlaw OWS activities.

In any event, since much of the point of the OWS movement is 'disobedience' then pointing out differing treatment is moot. If the Tea Party holds weeks-long unlicensed encampments to protest something, they will enjoy some of the same problems as the OWS crowd, with the exception that the police may be more hesitant with wonder about the status of arms in the crowd.

On the side of the Tea Party, having people wonder, "Why are they getting preferential treatment" ignores the macings, encampment busting, and batons. What the Tea Party is actually complaining at is this: We wanted their heads busted in sooner.

Which is a lamentable position.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner





I'm curious about the "illegal" part of the OWS demonstrations and protests. I keep looking through my several copies of the U.S. Constitution, and I still can't find where it bans the people from being able to peaceably assemble and seek a redress of grievances from their government.

Now, a local government can SAY it's illegal for protesters to protest, but the Constitution quite specifically says otherwise. In other words, it's the local city governments who are breaking the law in infringing the right of the people to peaceably assemble. (I'll note for the record that the guarantee of said freedom to assemble contains no more mention of any requirements for permits and licenses than does the Second Amendment.)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:36 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The TEA party shows us that the message of dissatisfaction of the status quo can be sent via peaceful, legal means.

Maybe the message was sent, but the message wasn't received.

Cause nothing's changed. Is the govt smaller? Are we paying less taxes? Is the govt now more responsive to average Americans?

No.

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 1:41 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Kwickie - I didn't quote you, so I couldn't MISquote you, so you failed, again.

You should be use to it by now.

But seriously, what's this have to do w/ the topic ?

Nothing ? OK then. move on.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 1:43 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The TEA party shows us that the message of dissatisfaction of the status quo can be sent via peaceful, legal means.

Maybe the message was sent, but the message wasn't received.

Cause nothing's changed. Is the govt smaller? Are we paying less taxes? Is the govt now more responsive to average Americans?

No.



So, the 2010 ouster of the Dems from Congress was mere coincidence ?

Huh.



"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:42 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
The TEA party shows us that the message of dissatisfaction of the status quo can be sent via peaceful, legal means.

Maybe the message was sent, but the message wasn't received.

Cause nothing's changed. Is the govt smaller? Are we paying less taxes? Is the govt now more responsive to average Americans?

No.



So, the 2010 ouster of the Dems from Congress was mere coincidence ?

Huh.




No more of a coincidence than this year's rout of tea-bagger bills across the nation and the ongoing recall efforts against many of those whose wins in 2010 you cheered.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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