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Tom Coburn: End Welfare to the Wealthy

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 8:45 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Wow. And he's even a Republican!
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Every year, politicians on both sides engage in a process of reverse Robin Hood in which they steal $30 billion from low- and middle-income Americans and provide handouts to the rich and famous.

Millionaires receive tax earmarks and deductions crafted by both parties that allow them to write off billions each year. These write-offs include mortgage interest deductions on second homes and luxury yachts, gambling losses, business expenses, electric vehicle credits and even child care tax credits.

Meanwhile, direct handouts for millionaires have included $74 million in unemployment checks, $316 million in farm subsidies, $89 million for preservation of ranches and estates, $9 billion in retirement checks and $7.5 million to compensate for damages caused by emergencies to property that should have been insured. Millionaires have even borrowed $16 million in government-backed education loans to attend college since 2007.

The goal of highlighting these excesses is not to demonize those who are successful. Instead, by highlighting the sheer stupidity of pampering the wealthy with lavish benefits through our safety net and tax code, I hope to make a moral and economic argument for real entitlement and tax reform.

The most troubling gap in America today is not an income gap. It is an integrity gap -- and even intelligence gap -- between Washington and the rest of the country.

Families are struggling to make ends meet and are making painful economic choices as politicians in Washington borrow billions to provide welfare to the wealthy. Politicians on both sides refuse to fix big problems and defend stupid policies because changing those policies would involve upending a comfortable political status quo.

It's important for taxpayers to understand that these distortions are not accidental loopholes in the law. To the contrary, these provisions are intentional efforts to get all Americans to buy into a system where everyone appears to benefit while the poor and middle class are being robbed.

In the case of entitlements such as Social Security, progressives have argued for decades that a program for poor people will be a poor program. Yet, Warren Buffett hardly needs the same retirement check as his secretary. Ending welfare handouts to millionaires will strengthen, not undermine, the safety net for people who need it most.

Even Canada has adopted means testing in its retirement program by limiting benefits for high-earners. That fact is we can't afford the system we have today. Only by adopting common-sense reforms can we sustain a safety net for those who truly need assistance.

On the tax side, both parties have been reluctant to alter tax earmarks and deductions, such as the mortgage interest deduction. These are considered sacrosanct.

Yet, it's hard to understand how limiting the mortgage interest deductions for yachts will hurt working families. Defending spending in the tax code is not conservative. Providing tax earmarks and deductions to millionaires is a tax increase on everyone who doesn't receive the benefit. The only way we will enact real tax reform, and grow the economy, is by lowering tax rates and broadening the base by scaling back these egregious handouts. This is precisely what President Ronald Reagan did in 1986.

Even though the super committee failed to reach an agreement on broad deficit reduction, there is no reason why the other super committee -- Congress -- should drag its feet. Change in Washington tends to start with small steps. There is no better place to start than scaling back ludicrous handouts to millionaires that expose an entitlement system and tax code that desperately need to be reformed. http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/01/opinion/coburn-welfare-to-wealthy/index.
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That's almost scary--a Republican who dares tell it like it is! I'm surprised they haven't tarred and feathered him, and run him out of town on a rail! But then, it's still early...

And no doubt the vast number of Republicans would consider his suggestions as "raising taxes" on the wealthy...

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 9:46 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Millionaires receive tax earmarks and deductions crafted by both parties that allow them to write off billions each year. These write-offs include mortgage interest deductions on second homes and luxury yachts, gambling losses, business expenses, electric vehicle credits and even child care tax credits.



Hmm.

Of the almost 6.2 million Individual Federal tax returns filed in 2009 that claimed Child Care credit, less than 16,000 were filed by folks with AGI over $1 million. Of a bit over 100,000 returns claiming any type of alternate energy vehicle credit, only about 1500 with $1 million + AGI.

Unless you are a gambling profesional, and can prove it, you can only claim gambling losses up to the amount of your winnings, and must have pretty subtantial documentation for that.

Mortgage interest deductions on a second home or a boat used as a residence are available to pretty much anyone who owns them. However, you can only take mortgage interest on your primary home and ONE other.

So maybe these "...tax earmarks and deductions crafted by both parties that allow them to write off billions each year." aren't just for millionaires.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 9:47 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Since Republicans rededicated themselves to slashing taxes for the wealthy in 1997, the average annual income of the 400 richest Americans has more than tripled, to $345 million – while their share of the tax burden has plunged by 40 percent. Today, a billionaire in the top 400 pays less than 17 percent of his income in taxes – five percentage points less than a bus driver earning $26,000 a year. "Most Americans got none of the growth of the preceding dozen years," says Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel Prize-winning economist. "All the gains went to the top percentage points."...
Tax receipts as a percent of the total economy have fallen to levels not seen since before the Korean War – nearly 20 percent below the historical average. "Taxes are ridiculously low!" says Bruce Bartlett, an architect of Reagan's 1981 tax cut. "And yet the mantra of the Republican Party is 'Tax cuts raise growth.' So – where's the fucking growth?""



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-gop-became-the-party
-of-the-rich-20111109#ixzz1fJXFUj8N


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Thursday, December 1, 2011 3:28 PM

DREAMTROVE


Huh, fiscal conservatism lives.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 6:54 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Huh, fiscal conservatism lives.




Where?

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Friday, December 2, 2011 2:19 AM

DREAMTROVE


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Huh, fiscal conservatism lives.




Where?



Apparently in Tom Coburn. And also in Niki.


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 5:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


ONE Republican expresses fiscally conservative opinions, and that means conservatism "lives"? As for me, I've always felt a) that the government wastes money, and b) that the wealth gap has increased to a dangerous level. If you consider that fiscal conservatism, then yes, I'm fiscally conservative.

But it doesn't live in the GOP or Republican "representatives", as has been shown over and over again, and I thought they were the PARTY of fiscal conservatism?



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Friday, December 2, 2011 9:31 AM

DREAMTROVE


Depends whether you believe the govt. spends too much money or not enough money.

Myself, I'm for the govt. spending zero, but I recognize that's a radical position. I think Frem might support it, for his own reasons, and then we might be able to talk Anthony into it. I'm pretty sure Bytemite would come along.

Skipping the obvious "the left and right would spend it on different things" which I think is true, but then neither the democrats nor republicans are a party of fiscal responsibility. It's a catch phrase both use, like helping small business.

Is $17k enough to spend on education for a year? Is it too much?


That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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