The origins of the gimmie-gimmie mentaltiy ? The entitlement mindset. by AURaptor

DALEK!

Well unless we as a society want to let those children starve to dead someone will need to pay to care for them. I'm unwilling to let the other side of the coin, the what's mine is mine mentality, push us into a society and country that would let kids go without the very basics. If that means I have to put more in, so be it. If that means that you have to put more in, again so be it.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:13 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by m52nickerson: If that means I have to put more in, so be it. If that means that you have to put more in, again so be it.

So kind of you to speak up on my account. Never mind the fact that you're fully entitled to speak up for yourself, but who gave you the right to speak for others? For me ?

Here's a novel idea. Take care of your own.

Can't do that? Then they no longer will be YOURS. We make sure the ones who are here, the children who didn't ask to be put in this position, are taken from you, and put where they can grow and learn and eventually do for themselves, and the mother ? In a word... 'fixed'. No more 'presents from god', you've been 'blessed' enough.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 4:39 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Well unless we as a society want to let those children starve to dead someone will need to pay to care for them. I'm unwilling to let the other side of the coin, the what's mine is mine mentality, push us into a society and country that would let kids go without the very basics. If that means I have to put more in, so be it. If that means that you have to put more in, again so be it.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

Hello Nick,

I entreat you to avoid a distasteful discussion about 'speaking for others' versus 'forced sterilization and kidnapping.'

There will be no pleasant end to this, nor lessons learned, nor truths revealed.

In my opinion.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 6:51 PM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Can't do that? Then they no longer will be YOURS. We make sure the ones who are here, the children who didn't ask to be put in this position, are taken from you, and put where they can grow and learn and eventually do for themselves, and the mother ? In a word... 'fixed'. No more 'presents from god', you've been 'blessed' enough.

Would these novel solutions of yours be reserved only for black people, or would you advocate forced sterilization, "the state" seizing and raising the children, and the government deciding who can breed, and when, for everybody?

And you still can't figure out why I call you a fascist...

And by the way, who gave you the right to speak for these people?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:06 PM

The entitlement mindset - is that the one that says you can do business whatever way you want, it doesn't matter who you expoit, how much crap you pour into the environment, what precious resouces you use so long as you make a profit.

The entitlement mindset - so long as you have wealth, your children are entitled to the best education, healthcare, employment opportunities and housing but if you are not wealthy, your children have substandard education, limited healthcare, no access to decently paid jobs, and substandard housing.

The entitlement mindset - is that the one where you dominate the world, enforce your system of government upon them, insist that they do not have control over their own resources, make war on them if they defy you economically

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:15 PM

There's some woman I saw on the news who used "gubmint money" to raise 23 kids by different daddies, got free gubmint healthcare and free retirement for life, took more than $250,000 in welfare to not work on her family's farm, and whose husband took more than $150,000 in welfare from the gubmint. Talk about a lazy welfare queen!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:17 PM

America loves a winner!

[sarcasm]

Yes, black and all inferior people.

Pretty much in line w/ those who started the modern day 'pro choice' movement, intended to rid society of undesirables. Brought to us primarily by the Eugenics crowd... oh sure. I'm all for that. [/sarcsm]

You're the one here who brought up the issue of race, Kwickie. Not I.

And I'm not speaking for anyone else. So, again, you fail.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:22 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
The entitlement mindset - is that the one that says you can do business whatever way you want, it doesn't matter who you expoit, how much crap you pour into the environment, what precious resouces you use so long as you make a profit.

There is no such scenario, as you describe, MD. But please, keep playing.

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The entitlement mindset - so long as you have wealth, your children are entitled to the best education, healthcare, employment opportunities and housing but if you are not wealthy, your children have substandard education, limited healthcare, no access to decently paid jobs, and substandard housing.
Can't afford reasonable housing, medical care, education ? Don't have kids. Duh. And if you do, don't bitch about not being able to afford " the best " of everything, if you're not willing to go out and work for it. And you'd SURE as hell better not bitch and whine, and expect others to pay for YOUR responsibility.

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The entitlement mindset - is that the one where you dominate the world, enforce your system of government upon them, insist that they do not have control over their own resources, make war on them if they defy you economically

Yeah, again..., pretty much a creation of your own mind, and not based in reality.

*yawn*

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Yes, black and all inferior people.

Pretty much in line w/ those who started the modern day 'pro choice' movement, intended to rid society of undesirables. Brought to us primarily by the Eugenics crowd... oh sure. I'm all for that.

You're the one here who brought up the issue of race, Kwickie. Not I.

And I'm not speaking for anyone else. So, again, you fail.

Really? You're not speaking for anyone else?

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Can't do that? Then they no longer will be YOURS. We make sure the ones who are here, the children who didn't ask to be put in this position, are taken from you, and put where they can grow and learn and eventually do for themselves, and the mother ? In a word... 'fixed'. No more 'presents from god', you've been 'blessed' enough.

Who is this "We" that you speak of, if you speak for no others? Are you in the habit of referring to yourself - you and you alone - in the plural collective "We"?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 7:46 PM

America loves a winner!

Right. I suppose Kwickie agrees that those children should be put to sleep.

I say society takes care of them, by taking them away from such an abusive mother, and also makes sure she doesn't down load MORE kids to abuse.

WE in society already do this, of course, when a child is severely neglected or abused.

So, yes, we the people, Kwickie, do this. You ? Sounds like you're for offing them, like pets in a kennel.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Thursday, December 1, 2011 8:02 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Right. I suppose Kwickie agrees that those children should be put to sleep.

Agrees? Agrees with whom? Who suggested putting children to sleep? You? You seem to think someone did, if you think I "agree" with that. For the record, you're dead wrong, of course.

Not sure where you got the idea that I'd put children to death. It was YOUR suggestion that the government should take children away, sterilize the mothers, and more.

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I say society takes care of them, by taking them away from such an abusive mother, and also makes sure she doesn't down load MORE kids to abuse.

WE in society already do this, of course, when a child is severely neglected or abused.

So, yes, we the people, Kwickie, do this. You ? Sounds like you're for offing them, like pets in a kennel.

Ah, so you DO speak for others, then. Thank you for admitting it. Why did you have such a problem with Nick doing this, if you freely admit you do it as well?

Again, not sure where you get this idea of "offing" children or comparing them to "pets in a kennel", but certainly not from anything I've said or posted.

You do have a history of being quite amused at the idea of "offing" certain children, though - Muslim and brown-skinned ones, particularly.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:03 AM

DALEK!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So kind of you to speak up on my account. Never mind the fact that you're fully entitled to speak up for yourself, but who gave you the right to speak for others? For me ?

Here's a novel idea. Take care of your own.

Can't do that? Then they no longer will be YOURS. We make sure the ones who are here, the children who didn't ask to be put in this position, are taken from you, and put where they can grow and learn and eventually do for themselves, and the mother ? In a word... 'fixed'. No more 'presents from god', you've been 'blessed' enough.n

Your 'fixed' idea runs so much against your daily screams about freedom it makes you a laughable hypocrite.

I did not speak for you. I did not ask if you wanted to contribute more, nor do I care in that regard. If you have more then you need and the needs of others are great enough some of what is yours should be taken.

Now, regarding taking the children from their mother. I can support that. If a parent can't care for and is not making strides to do so they should lose custody until they can support them.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:27 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Your 'fixed' idea runs so much against your daily screams about freedom it makes you a laughable hypocrite.

Actually, it doesn't. If you'd been paying attention, I said that your freedoms, all of our freedoms, extend as only as far to where they don't infringe upon the freedoms of another. When this lady knowingly, purposely kept having children she couldn't take care of , and DEMANDS that society takes care of HER kids, then she's infringing on the rights of others.

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I did not speak for you. I did not ask if you wanted to contribute more, nor do I care in that regard. If you have more then you need and the needs of others are great enough some of what is yours should be taken.

Actually, you DID speak for me,... " If that means that you have to put more in, again so be it". ( So be it ? Really? That's it, end of discussion ? Nothing I say on this topic matters ? Seems you've made my mind up for me.)

And who the hell are you to determine what others NEED ? Who made you the arbiter ?

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Now, regarding taking the children from their mother. I can support that. If a parent can't care for and is not making strides to do so they should lose custody until they can support them.

Extreme cases sometimes cause for extreme measures. This woman, with her 15 illegitimate children, and no means of support, clearly has shown a utter disregard for herself and her children's welfare.

Good to see that your bias hasn't clouded your vision completely.

And Kwickie, you're merely trolling again, as usual, it's clear. I gave my opinion on what I think SHOULD be done, as well as stated the facts of what ALREADY is done. On the latter, I'm not speaking for anyone else, just admitting a fact, whether you like it or not.

Don't expect you to understand all this, and even if you do, I don't expect you to walk back your idiotic rants. If you did, then you'd have nothing at all to contribute to this thread.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, December 2, 2011 4:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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So kind of you to speak up on my account. Never mind the fact that you're fully entitled to speak up for yourself, but who gave you the right to speak for others? For me ?... We make sure the ones who are here, the children who didn't ask to be put in this position, are taken from you, and put where they can grow and learn and eventually do for themselves, and the mother ? In a word... 'fixed'. No more 'presents from god', you've been 'blessed' enough.

Are you speaking for the mother, then?

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Extreme cases sometimes cause for extreme measures.

Extreme cases, like.... the banks that brought down our financial and economic system? Because, yanno, causing hundreds of trillions of dollars in losses is a lot more extreme than fifteen children, wouldn't you say?

Jimminy, rappy, isn't there a single idea in your head that doesn't bite itself in the ass??? In one post, you've demonstrated that you only bray FREEDOM! for YOURSELF. You and Wulf... two twins with but a single thought between them. Sad, really.

Maybe someday you will learn to think, but this is not that day, apparently.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 4:39 AM

America loves a winner!

Sig,

Your irrational hatred towards me has (again) clouded your view of the topic at hand.

I invite you to step back and offer up any opinions you may have of this welfare queen broodmare.

This nonsensical sniping at me, merely because I posted the story, is beyond tedious.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Magons, well said. The actual "entitlement" mindset is exactly what you described. The fact that those on the right created that phrase as a visceral buzz word to make people think that's what it is doesn't change the fact that we paid into the things we get back like Medicare, Disability and Social Security; we're "entitled" to the return on our money, and the only true "entitlement" mentality is that of those who think they're entitled to make as much money as humanly possible by manipulating the system and because they can afford to "buy" representatives to tip the scale in their favor. They feel they're "entitled" to whatever they can get away with, they didn't make a contract with the government to give their money in exchange for services they need later in life.

Regarding the woman in question, has anyone considered the fact that abortion (and in some cases pregnancy prevention) have been made virtually impossible for the poor to attain? For one thing, leaving aside all the laws either enacted or trying to be enacted which would omit pregnancy protection of any kind, "the pill" costs money, and given the efforts to make sure no healthcare pays for pregnancy prevention, we can't know how many of those children the woman WOULDN'T have had if she'd had options. Without knowing all the facts, judgment (even if it's appropriate) is impossible.

And yes, Mike, who might that lazy welfare queen be, I wonder? Anyone want to take a guess?

As to a woman's right to choose what she does with her body having anything to do with "eugenics", it seems to me that Raptor's desire for forced sterilization of the poor fits in quite well with that. So I guess Raptor is a eugenics proponent. It's a logical conclusion, since I doubt he thinks the welfare queen Mike referred to is someone he would have sterilized by force.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 6:16 AM

DALEK!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, it doesn't. If you'd been paying attention, I said that your freedoms, all of our freedoms, extend as only as far to where they don't infringe upon the freedoms of another. When this lady knowingly, purposely kept having children she couldn't take care of , and DEMANDS that society takes care of HER kids, then she's infringing on the rights of others.

Which of your freedoms is she infringing on?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Actually, you DID speak for me,... " If that means that you have to put more in, again so be it". ( So be it ? Really? That's it, end of discussion ? Nothing I say on this topic matters ? Seems you've made my mind up for me.)

And who the hell are you to determine what others NEED ? Who made you the arbiter ?

Had I said you would happily give something up that would have been speaking for you. As you said, to me your say on the topic does not matter so I don't have to even worry about speaking for you.

I am not the arbiter, out society is. It is ovious that those kids, and many others need at least the very basics, food, clothing, shelter, and because of this and because we live in a society that is unwilling to let those kids die, you may have to give some more. That is the cost of living such a society.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Extreme cases sometimes cause for extreme measures. This woman, with her 15 illegitimate children, and no means of support, clearly has shown a utter disregard for herself and her children's welfare.

Good to see that your bias hasn't clouded your vision completely.

You should not be surprised. I don't advocate for people to be given things for nothing. That is different then helping people trying to get back on their feet. So no this women should not just be allowed to do nothing to try and support her children and be given that support.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 6:34 AM

BYTEMITE

It doesn't matter what the race is. Government mandated sterilization is a very bad road.

The ultimate result of sterilizing someone is limiting their contribution to the gene pool, for whatever reason. In the case of this mother, the problem is a lack of education, and not anything particularly wrong with her genetics. In fact, her ability to HAVE so many children is an indication of a very desirable trait that is vanishing - most women are limited to about seven or eight children before they become infertile due to the strain on their reproductive system (and sometimes their bladder). But that number is also going down via unintentional selective breeding and social norms. Your idea inadvertently limits human potential as a whole, which is not altogether wise.

Other parents adopting out the children is on its own sufficient.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 9:12 AM

Oh how shallow and predictable most of this is. When it was white quiverful christians, things were flipped.

Dodging the whole thing, and the eugenics question, don't get me started, I thought the video demonstrated a couple of things very nicely, so, thanks Rap, for posting it.

This is a video of people behaving badly. All of them. Everyone on this video. It illustrates a lot of why we still have these sorts of problems.

1) Mom is behaving badly, not by having so many kids, but by expecting someone else to take care of them.

2) Dads are behaving badly. One is in prison, probably fucked up somewhere, not thinking about the kids, but the other one is where? We saw him. Hey, dad, come back, family needs you.

3) The kids. Hey, kids. The family needs rent, food on the table. Three of y'all are grown up, and two more look good to go. Knuckle down, pitch in.

4) White Southern racists. I mean, just look at the lot of them trying to figure out a way to take the kids away and send them off to foster kids, and yeah, they're thinking they want to sterilize momma before she has anymore black kids.

5) The judge, like, WTF? Are you pregnant? What happens if she says yes? Are you going to force her to have an abortion? I mean, if you're going to go that route, fuck it, let the kids starve.

Sadly, there are a fair number of entitlement minded people of all ethnic groups pushing their problems onto the system, and sadly, the system is full of Nazis trying to destroy families.

Oh, and can I throw in sister, like what's her problem? Nazis are attacking your family, your sis is mentally incompetent or something, do something. Okay, sure, you've had enough, I don't mean move them all into the kitchen, be whip some asses into shape and push them in a more functional direction. Maybe mom can't handle the family, but then maybe mom shouldn't be in charge.

Finally, the attitude really gets me. You see it around here, where everyone is white. Go into a courtroom and if the plaintiff is poor, the entire courtroom staff will treat them like five year olds. Sit down and obey our rules or we're going to spank you. It makes me sick.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 9:21 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I wonder why everyone is so focused on the woman. Why is no one mentioning the fathers? After all, they had SOMEthing to do with the children being conceived, and then they walked away.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 9:25 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

C'mon, Kiki, you know how our society works. The mom gets stuck with the kids while the sperm donor takes off and has no responsibilities. Ergo, the problem must be the woman's! After all, SHE "chose" to have so many kids...

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Friday, December 2, 2011 9:27 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And the men, just innocent bystanders who had nuthin' to do with nuthin'. Poor dears.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 9:31 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Kiki and Niki done stole all my thunder, I been robbed I tellya, robbed!

You go, ladies.

-F

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Friday, December 2, 2011 12:59 PM

America loves a winner!

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And the men, just innocent bystanders who had nuthin' to do with nuthin'. Poor dears.

Well, she does have a fiance', but he's in prison.

This gal really knows how to pick 'em, huh?

I must have missed where the word 'alimony' was mentioned, but when she said somebody had to be held accountable, I got the strong feeling she wasn't talking about herself, or the multiple dead beat baby-daddies who were no longer in the picture.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, December 2, 2011 1:08 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

You should not be surprised. I don't advocate for people to be given things for nothing. That is different then helping people trying to get back on their feet. So no this women should not just be allowed to do nothing to try and support her children and be given that support.

This woman, with 15 kids out of wedlock, IS getting something for nothing. And even with what she's been given, it's still not enough. And that's how this mess was able to get to this point. She's about as unfit a mother as there is, and at age 37, needs to stop having kids, and have the one's she's already had taken from her.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, December 2, 2011 1:47 PM

sorry, you just come off as a totally judgemental bastard in this matter, and someone who is obsessed with the contents of their own hip pocket.

Do i think it is great that a woman would have 15 children to different fathers. No, I don't, I think it is foolish and irresponsible. But guess what, there are truck loads of people living their lives in ways that I don't approve, and this woman doesn't really rate anywhere near the worst.

The bottom line as I see it. Do people have the right to make choices around their own reproduction? Yes I do. I say that knowing that plenty of people will have children under circumstances that are less than desirable, but I still believe they have that choice.

Should children suffer because of the poor choices of their parents? NO. It isn't there fault that they were brought into this world by foolish parents/ They still deserve access to decent housing, food, clothing, education and care. That is what welfare should ensure.

Will some people exploit the system? Yes they will. There will be those that exploit any system for their own gain. You can put in checks against such things, but in the end, some people will use children as a cash cow. Sadly. Doesn't mean you dismantle the system/

In the end, the life of this woman is hardly worth the air space that we have given it, in the grand scheme of injustices in this world. So how about you just get over the fact that you WILL pay taxes and you won't always agree with how they are spent. Where is your bitching about how your money was used to fund several pointless wars, and killed 100,000's of civilians not to mention sending thousands of your military personnel to their deaths?

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Friday, December 2, 2011 2:41 PM

America loves a winner!

Sorry, you bringing up completely unrelated issues doesn't make this one o.k., or saying ' get over it' isn't going to do 1 damn thing to address the problem of this entitlement night mare.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, December 2, 2011 2:58 PM

DALEK!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

This woman, with 15 kids out of wedlock, IS getting something for nothing. And even with what she's been given, it's still not enough. And that's how this mess was able to get to this point. She's about as unfit a mother as there is, and at age 37, needs to stop having kids, and have the one's she's already had taken from her.

I don't disagree with you, except to say that no matter what, even if it means taking in another child, a government does not have the right to sterilize someone. Freedom has a price, part of that price is paying for the irresponsibility of some.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:00 PM

DALEK!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sorry, you bringing up completely unrelated issues doesn't make this one o.k., or saying ' get over it' isn't going to do 1 damn thing to address the problem of this entitlement night mare.

This women having fifteen children and or having more is about her reproductive freedom, not entitlement.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:14 PM

WISHIMAY

I have an idea...why not make parents take a basic child care quiz before they take Precious home?? Who's rights would that violate? And it's in the best interest of ALL children, so who would object? Those that fail miserably would recieve free counseling and social service wellness checks more often.

Or is standing around and yelling about stupid breeders just more fun?

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:26 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I wonder why everyone is so focused on the woman. Why is no one mentioning the fathers? After all, they had SOMEthing to do with the children being conceived, and then they walked away.

Hey, I done mentioned the dads twice

Wishimay

Creepy nanny state you got going there. While it may seem like a good idea at the outset, think about the power you're handing, and who you're handing it to. Figure the same whiteys you just saw, being all sorta white supremacist like, are about to get the power of who does and doesn't have children. Result? I'm seeing that Rick Perry N*ggerhead institute adopting a hundred thousand black kids, which good "keep america white" christians signing off to send 'em all to the cotton picking academy 24/7. That's right, you can pick while you learn, and by the time you graduate with an BFOQ in agrarian arts, you owe Jim Crowe's Company Store a life's savings, but you ain't done the saving yet. Don't worry sonny, you'll have 40 good years of hauling ass to pay it off in.

Okay, so I'm on the pessimistic side of govt. intervention, but I got a pretty solid track record over here of that being the case. Also, look at whitey in that video. Not really bending over backwards to be fare and caring.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:28 PM

I am gonna say upfront I don't watch rappy's videos. If you can't post an argument in words, it kind of indicates a lack of capacity to frame a decent argument.

so for the sake of not knowing anything about this woman, you can't assume that because she has 15 children to 3 different fathers that will not be a good parent, or that the children are not doing okay in her care and that even if the care she provides is not fantastic, so long as the kids are not abused or neglected the best interest for them would be to stay with her than to be separated from each other and her and brought up with strangers.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:30 PM

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Sorry, you bringing up completely unrelated issues doesn't make this one o.k., or saying ' get over it' isn't going to do 1 damn thing to address the problem of this entitlement night mare.

Most everything you post in pointless and irrelevant. Doesn't seem to stop you.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:35 PM

The video cannot be expressed in words. Not easily.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:39 PM

America loves a winner!

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Sorry, you bringing up completely unrelated issues doesn't make this one o.k., or saying ' get over it' isn't going to do 1 damn thing to address the problem of this entitlement night mare.

This women having fifteen children and or having more is about her reproductive freedom, not entitlement.

Again, you miss the point. She can have 500 children, but the issue of entitlement centers on her not being able to pay for ONE of them, and expecting society to carry her load.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, December 2, 2011 3:46 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
I am gonna say upfront I don't watch rappy's videos. If you can't post an argument in words, it kind of indicates a lack of capacity to frame a decent argument.

so for the sake of not knowing anything about this woman,

Bloody hell. Why do you even bother posting a reply then ?

I post the video for the specific reason of letting others see for themselves, and not having to take MY word on the topic.

Keep your eyes and mind closed, for all I care.

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, December 2, 2011 4:27 PM

lol. I was actually waiting for this ;) Yes, of course that's a valid point. Sorry Magon, it was an absurd opener.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 5:42 PM

WISHIMAY

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Wishimay

Creepy nanny state you got going there. While it may seem like a good idea at the outset, think about the power you're handing, and who you're handing it to. Figure the same whiteys you just saw, being all sorta white supremacist like, are about to get the power of who does and doesn't have children. Result? I'm seeing that Rick Perry N*ggerhead institute adopting a hundred thousand black kids, which good "keep america white" christians signing off to send 'em all to the cotton picking academy 24/7.

OMG. Yer callin' me creepy???! I din't think it was even possible to hallucinate what you just came up with...

Do you really think all nurses and social workers are WHITE? 'Cause I know some people who'd take serious issue with that...

I'm talking about a QWIZ, like the one you take to graduate or drive. What, did you picket whitey for making sure you could drive???

Diapers should be changed:
A once a day
B once a week
C when soiled

Babies are:
A mini adults that can't talk
B good punching bags
C extremely fragile

Believe it or not, some people they just hand babies off to couldn't answer those questions. I think hospitals are NEGLIGENT in not making sure a parent has basic skills before handing off a fragile being. Just 'cause you can make one, don't mean you can take care of one- or even recognize that you can't take care of one...Somebody!! needs ta sort that out...

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Friday, December 2, 2011 6:13 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sorry, you bringing up completely unrelated issues doesn't make this one o.k., or saying ' get over it' isn't going to do 1 damn thing to address the problem of this entitlement night mare.

Most everything you post in pointless and irrelevant. Doesn't seem to stop you.

Nor does it stop you from coming back and posting in threads about topics you admittedly refuse to even try to follow, but instead you just add your 2 cents anyways. Talk about being irrelevant ! LOL !

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, December 2, 2011 6:47 PM

Wish I May:

Excuse me?

1) Did you watch the video? Tell me you can watch the video and the creepiness of the social workers not come off.

2) The took the children away. I mean, hello? If they're already acting in a fascist manner, then their actual creepiness is really secondary.

3) No, you're not. You missed the point because you just did it again. Stop, think, and use your imagination.

You just handed the *power* of whether or not they can have kids to a small group of fairly obvious white supremacists. I think that's damn near close to the worst idea I've ever heard.

So let's rewind.

A. As soon as you say that the social workers* this "test" they can perform to tell actual parents whether they can keep their actual kids (the most absurd power in human history just granted.)

B. You *trust* them to give this test and make the decision. Nothing untoward could ever come out of that, because nothing like that ever happened before.

Do you remember literacy tests for voting? Remember how that turned out? Sounds like a good idea, right? I mean, we don't want morons choosing our leaders, right? But I assume you do know how it turned out.

C. So, pretty much forgone conclusion for this test, week one it goes like this.

Q: So, what's the first thing you're going to do when you take this child home?
A: no hablo ingles

Q: I'm sorry, I didn't understand your response. Maria, You gotta tell me the first thing you're going to do with little Carlos when you get him home...

Yeah I know what you're thinking you're thinking of course the test will be in english and spanish, but you didn't say so, and you just handed all the power over to the state of florida, and now that they have the power, they don't ever have to listen to you again. You can call them up and tell them that they have to give it in spanish, but you know what? they hate that idea. And they don't hate it half as much as the state of arizona whom you also just handed that power to.

It's a nightmare. There's nothing about this that is ever going to go anywhere near being anything good. You just need to apply a little imagination to see exactly how bad it can get.

So, Next thing that happens... because it ain't bad yet.

D. They change the test. What? Why? They can't do that. Sorry, they already did. You gave them the power, and now they've gone and changed the test on you.

Q: Name the 50 states in alphabetical order backwards please.
A: Oh no you didn't

Oh, but we're not done changing the test.

Q: Do you believe in God?
A: What the hell kind of question is that.
Q: Excuse me miss, but you're talking to a representative of the state of mississippi, and you should not disrespect me because I have the power to take your children away and throw you in jail.

One of the great things about America is that you can opt out. You don't have to be a part of the madness. Sure. There are people who are already in the above situations, all of them, but that's because they went to the state for help. Once you realize that the state is your enemy, you know that these people are on the same train as the one the Jews took to a new life in Israel as paid for by the German govt. It's the train of hope. I don't know if prayer works, but at that point I might start trying. I sure know hope doesn't.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProperlyParanoid

Oh, just out of snarky curiousity, have you ever worried that squirrels are having babies without taking a test?

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Friday, December 2, 2011 6:52 PM

CHRISISALL

Oh man, LOL, when I read the title I thought it was gonna be a thread about young Wall Street punks whining about regulations & such!!! ROTF!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Thanks man, funny one!!!!
Really!
We can SO come at this from opposite angles!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

The REALLY laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, December 2, 2011 6:57 PM

CHRISISALL

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have you ever worried that squirrels are having babies without taking a test?

We regularly run those bitches over, so they're not a huge problem.

The "Ooooo-that-was-cold" Chrisisall

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Friday, December 2, 2011 7:02 PM

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I wonder why everyone is so focused on the woman. Why is no one mentioning the fathers? After all, they had SOMEthing to do with the children being conceived, and then they walked away.

Hey, I done mentioned the dads twice

Wishimay

Creepy nanny state you got going there. While it may seem like a good idea at the outset, think about the power you're handing, and who you're handing it to. Figure the same whiteys you just saw, being all sorta white supremacist like, are about to get the power of who does and doesn't have children. Result? I'm seeing that Rick Perry N*ggerhead institute adopting a hundred thousand black kids, which good "keep america white" christians signing off to send 'em all to the cotton picking academy 24/7. That's right, you can pick while you learn, and by the time you graduate with an BFOQ in agrarian arts, you owe Jim Crowe's Company Store a life's savings, but you ain't done the saving yet. Don't worry sonny, you'll have 40 good years of hauling ass to pay it off in.

Okay, so I'm on the pessimistic side of govt. intervention, but I got a pretty solid track record over here of that being the case. Also, look at whitey in that video. Not really bending over backwards to be fare and caring.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

I think Newt Gingrich just applied for the job as dean of Perry's "N****rhead Institute". Or maybe he just wants to be the janitor.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, December 2, 2011 7:05 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sorry, you bringing up completely unrelated issues doesn't make this one o.k., or saying ' get over it' isn't going to do 1 damn thing to address the problem of this entitlement night mare.

This women having fifteen children and or having more is about her reproductive freedom, not entitlement.

Again, you miss the point. She can have 500 children, but the issue of entitlement centers on her not being able to pay for ONE of them, and expecting society to carry her load.

This is quite a different stance from the one you took during the Gulf oil spill. At that time, you DEMANDED that the government take over and fix it, because it was simply too big to expect the oil company to carry the load.

So what changed? Or do you firmly believe that governments are required to "carry the load" for corporations, but never for people?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, December 2, 2011 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Sorry, you bringing up completely unrelated issues doesn't make this one o.k., or saying ' get over it' isn't going to do 1 damn thing to address the problem of this entitlement night mare.

Most everything you post in pointless and irrelevant. Doesn't seem to stop you.

Nor does it stop you from coming back and posting in threads about topics you admittedly refuse to even try to follow, but instead you just add your 2 cents anyways. Talk about being irrelevant ! LOL !

How many times has Rappy refused to read the articles linked in threads, yet still insists on throwing in his 2 cents?

Thanks for letting us know how irrelevant you find yourself, Rap.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, December 2, 2011 7:12 PM

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Wish I May:

Excuse me?

1) Did you watch the video? Tell me you can watch the video and the creepiness of the social workers not come off.

2) The took the children away. I mean, hello? If they're already acting in a fascist manner, then their actual creepiness is really secondary.

3) No, you're not. You missed the point because you just did it again. Stop, think, and use your imagination.

You just handed the *power* of whether or not they can have kids to a small group of fairly obvious white supremacists. I think that's damn near close to the worst idea I've ever heard.

Is this somehow worse than Rap's suggestion that such people should be "fixed" so as not to be able to have children in the first place?

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Oh, just out of snarky curiousity, have you ever worried that squirrels are having babies without taking a test?

Their squirrel babies take a test. It's pass/fail. Failure is death. Are you suggesting we let human babies loose in the wild to fend for themselves?

Hey, you brought up snarky curiosity; I just rolled with your groove.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, December 2, 2011 7:33 PM

BYTEMITE

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Is this somehow worse than Rap's suggestion that such people should be "fixed" so as not to be able to have children in the first place?

Technically, by definition, it's the same.

It's like when the Federal Government was taking children away from Native Americans and put them in "good Christian schools".

Essentially both are genocide. Ultimately both have the same consequences, it's just one is more direct, and one is more indirect.

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...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

International Law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

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