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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:06 AM

CANTTAKESKY


The George Bush You Forgot



I like THIS George Bush. What happened to him?

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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 7:51 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Hah. Good one. I may have mentioned it before, so apologies if I'm repetitive. But someone showed us a video of Bush when he was governor of Texas. He was eloquent, spoke reeeely well, and was completely different from the bumbler we got to know. Jim and were absolutely astonished, and have wondered ever since what happened when he became Prez. I wish I could find that video (it was a long time ago), because it's really a shocker.



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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 1:34 PM

CANTTAKESKY


Yes, I have heard of that video too. I can't find it, but I found this, comparing former and later performance.



What bothers me more than his cognitive decline is the change in his policies. He didn't want America to police the world, or "nation build" overseas. And then that is what he did.

It bothers me because I saw exactly the same pattern in Obama. He wanted to close Guantanamo and stop military detention. Yet, not only did he NOT close Guantanamo, but military detention is about to be expanded under his administration. He wanted to bring our troops back and end the war, but the war just got rearranged and expanded; the war is now neverending.

I mean to say, the pattern appears that these presidents were hopeful and bright with certain ideals before office, and then did exactly what they preached against once in office.

If this pattern persists, it wouldn't matter if Ron Paul became president. He would expand the power of the Federal Reserve and build more military bases overseas. Which is what every other president did as well, whether they wanted to or not.

It makes me wonder who REALLY is in control, because it doesn't look like the president is.




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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:09 PM

BYTEMITE


CTS: very true.

Though I'm still rather pissed off at them, even if I suppose they AREN'T in control. There is some consideration here of what their responsibilities are SUPPOSED to be.

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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:45 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


The advisors and people behind the scenes are the ones who are really in control, a pitty that. Because they always seem to be the same goons no matter who gets elected.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:11 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by canttakesky:
Yes, I have heard of that video too. I can't find it, but I found this, comparing former and later performance.



What bothers me more than his cognitive decline is the change in his policies. He didn't want America to police the world, or "nation build" overseas. And then that is what he did.

It bothers me because I saw exactly the same pattern in Obama. He wanted to close Guantanamo and stop military detention. Yet, not only did he NOT close Guantanamo, but military detention is about to be expanded under his administration. He wanted to bring our troops back and end the war, but the war just got rearranged and expanded; the war is now neverending.

I mean to say, the pattern appears that these presidents were hopeful and bright with certain ideals before office, and then did exactly what they preached against once in office.

If this pattern persists, it wouldn't matter if Ron Paul became president. He would expand the power of the Federal Reserve and build more military bases overseas. Which is what every other president did as well, whether they wanted to or not.

It makes me wonder who REALLY is in control, because it doesn't look like the president is.




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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm




Bill Hicks used to wonder about such things, too.

Quote:

Bill Hicks said:

No matter what promises you make on the campaign trail - blah, blah, blah - when you win, you go into this smoky room with the twelve industrialist, capitalist scumfucks that got you in there, and this little screen comes down... and it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before, which looks suspiciously off the grassy knoll.... And then the screen comes up, the lights come on, and they say to the new president, 'Any questions?'

"Just what my agenda is."



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Policy wise, it's easy to take comments made before 9/11 and transpose them to events which took place after, and make it appear as if he's completely flip flopped.

Fact is many candidates do exactly that, after they win.

However, there does seem to have been a dramatic change in W in both policy and his public demeanor. However, through out his 2 terms, those who met with him one on one, or in small groups, saw a big change in how he acted on the big stage.

Annoying, baffling and frustrating.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:19 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
However, there does seem to have been a dramatic change in W in both policy and his public demeanor. However, through out his 2 terms, those who met with him one on one, or in small groups, saw a big change in how he acted on the big stage.

Annoying, baffling and frustrating.

Yes, indeed. I am glad other people noticed this change and incongruity as well.




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"Christmas is a time when kids tell Santa what they want and adults pay for it. Deficits are when adults tell the government what they want - and their kids pay for it." - Richard Lamm

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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:08 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


CTS, how much of it is that they say what they think people want to hear in order to get elected, but had other intentions all along? Or, how much of it is that they discover once they get in office that thingsa are much more complex than they knew/realized and they haven't the power they thought they had? Or in both the past two Presidents' cases, how much is that they're not very strong men, and get influenced by those around them? Or a combination of the three, plus what you wrote?

In other words: Who knows? It's a damned shame, whatever the cause. And a major pisser!

And yeah, that video is a good example, thank you.



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