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Removable Penis

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UPDATED: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 18:43
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Saturday, January 14, 2012 4:33 AM

http://articles.philly.com/2012-01-13/news/30624125_1_gender-indentity
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"The Zit" returns to RWFF with the most important storys for you to ignore!

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:03 AM

WISHIMAY

I wouldn't care if somebody wanted to walk around with a trapeze in their shorts, as long as I didn't have to know about it.
Her/His mistake was in tellin too many people, and expecting everyone to be ok with that knowledge. Know yer audience.

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:51 AM

BYTEMITE

...So long as the device was not sexual in nature, why would anyone care? We're not talking that she was using it as a strap-on.

People probably already knew she was going to get a sex change, and the device might have come up in the course of them asking her about it further. While, yes, it's perhaps questionable to bring such prosthetics for both herself and the male at her workplace who already underwent a change, because it is kinda bringing their private lives into their work, it would have been wrong to fire either of them.

Saying that she shouldn't have been talking about it doesn't make it NOT discrimination.

I also find it interesting that the reaction was much less to the male. Most society kinda feels contempt for the effeminate male, which can sometimes cross over into homophobia (despite transgenderism rarely having anything to do with homosexuality). But reactions are often much worse against transgender women. Perhaps because men are seen as "just slumming it" if they're interested in seeing how the women live, but women would be stepping out of some predetermined place in society.

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:53 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!

I don't think Hillary should be allowed to do this.

It's unbecoming of a lesbian.

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:52 AM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

Saying that she shouldn't have been talking about it doesn't make it NOT discrimination.

I'm all for people doing whatever the hell they are gonna do to themselves. Unless her job was in the sex industry, she shoulda kept it to herself and her close friends. She did not NEED to wear to it work (she could have done that in her own free time, on weekends and such), and talking about it was not a necessary part of her job criteria. She was looking for acceptance, SURPRISE! not everbody accepts it. Duh.
The company was probably lookin to limit liability when the inevitable gender-bashing took place. And it would have.

Keep it in yer pants, people, and don't talk about it at work. WHATEVER "it" is ...

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:03 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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She confided in several co-workers about the device, and someone told management, according to the complaint.

In what manner did she 'confide' to her co-workers ? Why 'several' ? Seems to me, that if I heard from someone that Sally had a fake penis in her panties, so what ? But if she's going out of her way to inform folks about it, those who'd rather could give a damn, it could be seen as sexual harassment from HER, and not the company.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:14 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:33 AM

WHOZIT

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Hmmm....they've written a song about it?

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:26 AM

KWICKO

More like life imitating art - it's an old song!

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:14 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Damn you Mikey, damn youuuu...
*shakes fist*
You beat me to that one, meheheheh.

-Frem

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

That looks like an old video. Hadn't caught that one before. Huh.

Yeah, 'somehow' that never made it into my music rotation.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:50 PM

KWICKO

'Bout 20 years old.

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Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:25 PM

BYTEMITE

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She did not NEED to wear to it work

Hmm. She didn't NEED to. But does that mean she shouldn't at all?

Because this is two different arguments, whether she should have brought it up in conversation, or whether she should have worn it at all.

And I have to say an argument about that she shouldn't have worn it to work is going a little far. A guy wears a jockstrap to work. Is that all right? What if he wears a g-string under his trousers, makes him feel pretty? Apparently that's all right. What if a lady don't wear a bra, but she's otherwise covered up, is that all right?

Actually wearing it is no more offensive than a guy bringing himself to work, it's not like he doesn't have that down his pants as well. The problem comes in if they start talking about it, drawing attention to it.

Now, if a guy started talking about his bits, maybe that would be fireable, so the question is, does it count the same way if it's a fake one and she's talking about it? Maybe. Maybe not. It's murky territory.

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Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

AFAIK people who are in line for gender reassignment are required to start their life as their new sex before the actual surgery - with hormones, prostheses, clothes and grooming, activities (going to the men's or ladies room depending on their prospective sex) etc. This takes place months before surgery. It's possible in this story it's the necessary part of medical treatment.

And it appears that the people who were directly told had no problem with the information, perhaps they were friends, or the interested curious, perhaps they even asked.

It was the other people who were told by the original audience who were 'offended'. And? If they didn't want to now, they didn't have to gossip. Even if they did know, it was no particular business of theirs or the company to act upon. Nothing illegal or immoral happened.

All I can say is, this country sure seems like it's full of closed-minded dicks.

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Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:45 PM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by Bytemite:

And I have to say an argument about that she shouldn't have worn it to work is going a little far. A guy wears a jockstrap to work. Is that all right? What if he wears a g-string under his trousers, makes him feel pretty? Apparently that's all right. What if a lady don't wear a bra, but she's otherwise covered up, is that all right?

Now, if a guy started talking about his bits, maybe that would be fireable, so the question is, does it count the same way if it's a fake one and she's talking about it? Maybe. Maybe not. It's murky territory.

I've worked a couple jobs that came with handbooks detailing what undergarments MUST be worn while at work as well as rules about jewelry, makeup, ect. They never mentioned how they could enforce the undergarment thing, but the rules were there.

I think that legally it is a the very least a simulated penis which is usually used for what?? urination, and reproduction. If she was somehow using it to pee, she could have a case, but otherwise it IS a simulated sexual device. I would think a guy wearing fake breasts would be subject to the same rules. Work is for work, not blabbing about yer jubbly bits. Firing may or may not have been an extreme reaction, depending on workplace rules. They probably should've suspended her for day to get the message to cool it clear, but...

There was a case in the UK(?)recently where a gal had a severe sexual addiction and went to the bathroom several times a day to "relieve tensions" and she won a discrimination suit, soo.... who knows...
I wish her luck. She's gonna need it....

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Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:15 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"... a male co-worker who wore female clothing and prostheses and took hormone treatments was not fired nor disciplined."

And here is where the problem is.

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Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:48 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

What she wears to work under her clothes is her business. I don't know why she was telling everyone about it, its her business.

Gender reassignment surgery is so dallusional in my opinion, I view thinking you're in the wrong body as a dallusion like any other, thinking you've been abducted by aliens, thinking you'll be a "whole person" if someone chops off your legs, etc. Just sayin. REady for the slings and arrows of discontent.

But I don't think she should be fired because, again, its her business. I should think awarning about keeping private things private should be sufficient, a fake penis isn't going to impact how she does her job so it shouldn't be an issue for work.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:52 PM

BYTEMITE

Sounds to me like your work places were horrible drone facilities where you couldn't go take a leak without asking permission. I've been fortunate to have never been in a place that the most requirement they have is that you wear stuff that you wouldn't be arrested in the street for wearing.

That said, arguments about some sort of dress code or work uniform don't fly with me. Since when does someone else own your free will or your sense of taste? Paycheck or not, they can bite me, and I'd both refuse to work in such a place or support them monetarily.

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I would think a guy wearing fake breasts would be subject to the same rules.

There was, and he wasn't. Also? It's not a sex device unless it is BEING USED for sex. You hear anything in that story that she was masturbating herself? No? That she was sticking it in anyone else? No?

she had every right to wear the thing, the question gets into whether she could talk about it, but as I think about it, THAT starts getting into near nonsense stff like "Don't Ask Don't Tell."

So I think this whole thing is nonsense, and she really does have a case.

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Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:56 PM

BYTEMITE

Riona, I've often figured I'd be better off as a man. Just because I haven't ever gotten surgery doesn't mean my mind isn't masculine. That's not really something I can control, nor is it some way I'm deluding myself, as most everyone else who knows me says I'm masculine too. It's just how I am, we're talking quite a bit past mere tomboy.

Call me gender confused, I don't care, but I reject this society's short sighted norms and gender roles. I'm not female, I'm not male, and it doesn't really matter which I am because I'm also asexual. So it's irrelevant.

However, I agree with your other assessment, because it is her business. I think that's very forward thinking of you.

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Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:59 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Byte, I think of you as a female who isn't notably girly. I think there's a difference between wondering about being something else, thinking about it, secretly feeling like that sometimes, and actually going and cutting off your parts and implanting fako ones and putting unnecessary hormones into your body.

Now, the time when a gender reassignment does make sense to me if if someone is intersexed, a lil' of both anatomically and so wants to pick one.

I think privacy is good and one's business should be one's own. But her fako penis should have nothing to do with work so no one needs to bother about it. I guess she was sort of asking for it by broadcasting her business, but still a repremand should suffice.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 16, 2012 8:46 AM

BYTEMITE

Maybe. I'm still trying to decide if a lady talking at work about a gender change and the trail period and devices that would entail is the same thing as a guy talking about his anatomy.

Maybe I'd have to have been there. Off hand, I'd think just a casual conversation isn't necessarily inappropriate, like, what if a guy is talking about how he had prostate cancer at work or something? That's not sexual. It's only sexual if it gets personal, like if she were flirting with a woman or another guy about letting them feel it or something when she gets the operation.

Now that would be mega creepy, and harrassment, and very much deserving of a reprimand. I don't see how anything else would be remotely deserving the treatment she got.

As an aside, why do we call it such a stupid name? I'm fine with vagina, that's a good name, but "penis" makes me sound like a damn three year old. And it doesn't even MEAN what it says, in Latin it's a euphemism that means "tail." Mentula is a better word.

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Monday, January 16, 2012 1:10 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I think the only time people get in trouble at work for sex related things, or talking about any things for that matter, is if their coworkers tattle on them. The key is that you can tell anyone pretty much anything if you know they won't squeal on you, so obviously she didn't know who it was safe to tell and who would report it as harassment.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, January 16, 2012 5:54 PM

WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
As an aside, why do we call it such a stupid name? I'm fine with vagina, that's a good name, but "penis" makes me sound like a damn three year old. And it doesn't even MEAN what it says, in Latin it's a euphemism that means "tail." Mentula is a better word.

I don't like either, they are both odd words, that roll awkwardly off the tongue.

Mentul... is pretty close to accurate though

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Monday, January 16, 2012 7:01 PM

BYTEMITE

Nah, nah, pronounce it like you say Dracula, it's both a fun word and seems fitting.

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Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:06 PM

WISHIMAY

No, I mean I don't like either CURRENT words.

As for Mentul=mental as in having one makes one