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Occupy Oakland Clash
Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:02 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Quote: Occupy activists, police clash in Oakland Occupy activists tossed pipes, bottles, burning flares and other objects Saturday at Oakland police, who responded by using tear gas and smoke grenades and arresting 19 demonstrators, police said.
Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:59 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, January 29, 2012 2:30 AM
Quote: 300 arrested at Occupy protests in Oakland After clashing with police, demonstrators break into City Hall and burn a U.S. flag. Mayor Quan calls on the movement to "stop using Oakland as its playground." ...The protesters walked to the vacant convention center, where some started tearing down perimeter fencing and "destroying construction equipment" shortly before 3 p.m., police said. ...Quan said that at one point, many forced their way into City Hall, where they burned flags, broke an electrical box and damaged several art structures, including a recycled art exhibit created by children.
Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:22 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Is this cause/effect accurate?
Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:28 AM
Quote: For the internet, here's a first-hand account of Occupy Oakland on 1/28/2012, because the news never tells the full story. I'll tell you about the street battle, the 300+ arrests, the vandalism, the flag burning, all in the context of my experience today. This is deeper than the headlines. No major news source can do that for you. The stated goal for the day was to "move-in" to a large, abandoned, building to turn it into a social and political center. It is a long vacant convention center - the only people ever near there are the homeless who use the space outside the building as a bed. The building occupation also draws attention to the large number of abandoned and unused buildings in Oakland. The day started with a rally and a march to the proposed building. The police knew which building was the target, surrounded it, and used highly mobile units to try and divert the protest. After avoiding police lines, the group made it to one side of the building. Now, this is a very large building, and we were on a road with construction fences on both sides, and a large ditch separating us from the cops. The police fired smoke grenades into the crowd as the group neared a small path around the ditch, towards the building. They declared an unlawful assembly, and this is when the crowd broke down the construction fence. A few people broke fences to escape the situation, others because they were pissed. A couple more fences were taken down then necessary, but no valuable equipment was destroyed. They only things broken were fences. The crowd decided to continue moving, and walked up the block to a more regular street. We decided to turn left up the street, and a police line formed to stop the march. They again declared an unlawful assembly. The protesters challenged the line, marching towards the police with our own shields in front. The shields, some small and black and a few large metal sheets. The police fired tear-gas as the group approached, and shot less-than-lethal rounds at the crowd. The protesters returned one volley of firecrackers, small projectiles, and funny things like balloons. A very weak attack, 3 officers may have been hit by something but none of them got injured. Tear gas forced many people back. The protesters quickly regrouped, and pressed the line again. This time the police opened fire with flash-grenades, tear gas, paint-filled beanbag shotguns, and rubber bullets. After the police fired heavily on the protesters, they pushed their line forward and made a few arrests. The protesters regrouped down the block and began to march the other way (followed by police), back to Oscar Grant Plaza. All of this occurred during the day, but it was that street battle that set the tone for the police response later in the evening. After taking a break in Oscar Grant Plaza, feeding everyone and resting, the group headed out for their evening march. Around 5pm, the group took to the street at 14th and Broadway and began a First-amendment sanctioned march around the city. The police response was very aggressive. About 15 minutes into the march, the police attempted to kettle the protesters. This march was entirely non-violent; nobody threw shit at the cops and an unlawful assembly was never declared. . This is a very important detail. The march was 1000+ strong, conservatively. The police were very mobile, using 25+ rented 10seater vans to bring the 'troops' to the march. For their first attempt at a kettle, the cops charged the group with police lines from the front and back. They ran towards us aggressively. Us being 1000+ peaceful marching protesters. The group was forced to move up a side street. The police moved quickly to surround the entire area; they formed a line on every street that the side street connected to. Police state status: very efficient. They kettled almost the entire protest in the park near the Fox theater. AFTERWARDS, as in after they surrounded everyone, they declared it to be an unlawful assembly BUT OFFERED NO EXIT ROUTE. Gas was used, could of been tear or smoke gas. The crowd then broke down a fence that was on one side of the kettle, and 1000 people ran across a field escaping a police kettle and embarrassing the entire police force. It was literally a massive jailbreak from a kettle. The group re-took Telegraph ave. and left the police way behind.
Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:33 AM
HERO
Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:26 PM
CANTTAKESKY
Sunday, January 29, 2012 12:30 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:The new raid is certain to focus attention once again on the troubled relations between Oakland’s police force and its citizens.
Quote: The video’s soundtrack also features audio from 2003 of Howard Jordan, then Oakland’s deputy police chief and now the acting chief, admitting to a police board of review that his department had infiltrated an antiwar group that year to subvert a protest against the Iraq war. “You don’t need to have some special skill to be able to infiltrate these groups,” Mr. Jordan said. “You know, two of our officers were elected leaders within an hour… of being with that group. So if you put people in there from the beginning, I think we’d be able to gather the information and maybe even direct them to do something that we want them to do.”
Quote: At a press conference with Jean Quan on Wednesday, Oakland Interim Police Chief Howard Jordan said that to his knowledge, no Oakland police officer had used rubber bullets, wooden dowels, or flash-bang grenades in the violent pre-dawn raid on the Occupy Oakland encampment on Tuesday and during a series of clashes with protesters later that night. Jordan said the gas balls rolled at people's feet to disperse them may have been mistaken for the grenades. When asked, Jordan said it was possible that other departments had used types of non-lethal force that OPD doesn't have in its arsental. http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2011/10/28/oakland-interim-chief-howard-jordan-releases-message-to-the-community/ lies, all of it. If they've done nothing else, the Occupy movement has brought into the national conversation the huge discrepancy between the few ultra-rich and the rest of us. Regular folk would find that a good thing. Sadly, the amount some people have invested in trashing those they disagree with make it impossible just to disagree? One reason I'm not here so much anymore. Ugly mentality. We're not gone, we're still in virtually every city in America. And we're not finished. Enjoy your hatefulness, our detractors. I'm not going to get into this further, I know the futility. Some people WANT to drink the Kool Aid and there's nothing you can do about it until the police turn on THEM.
Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:40 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Quote: For the internet, here's a first-hand account of Occupy Oakland on 1/28/2012, because the news never tells the full story. I'll tell you about the street battle, the 300+ arrests, the vandalism, the flag burning, all in the context of my experience today.
Quote: For the internet, here's a first-hand account of Occupy Oakland on 1/28/2012, because the news never tells the full story. I'll tell you about the street battle, the 300+ arrests, the vandalism, the flag burning, all in the context of my experience today.
Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:58 PM
BYTEMITE
Quote:They declared an unlawful assembly
Sunday, January 29, 2012 7:59 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: Quote: For the internet, here's a first-hand account of Occupy Oakland on 1/28/2012, because the news never tells the full story. I'll tell you about the street battle, the 300+ arrests, the vandalism, the flag burning, all in the context of my experience today.
Monday, January 30, 2012 7:29 AM
Quote:Protesters began the day Friday by targeting San Francisco’s financial institutions like the Federal Reserve, Fannie Mae, Wells Fargo, Bank of America, the SEC, Citibank, Chase, and Bechtel. ..... Among the protesters was Scott Olsen, the Iraq War veteran who was injured during an Occupy Oakland protest in October. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/01/protesters-throw-bricks-and-bibles-at-police-in-san-francisco/ I guess he's doing okay. That's the protest I was so pissed at not being able to attend week before last. They managed to close down both BofA's headquarters and Wells' by some chaining themselves to the doors. Was actually inconvenient for Jim, who's in the process of moving our savings from BofA to Westamerica, where my accounts are...we had to go to a local branch the next day, and it made me shudder. They were playing some kind of operatic version of Moody Blues' "Nights in White Satin", among other pop tunes! That protest turned out to be almost as much of a mess as in Oakland, which is surprising; SFPD, while they have had their own problems over time, isn't usually as bad as Oakland. it started withQuote:....some of them made it to the top of the roof and they then began to throw bibles down at the officers,” San Francisco Police Department spokesman Carlos Manfredi said.It was part of a nationwide protest of Citizens United:Quote:Across the country, protesters also rallied at courthouses Friday to challenge a 2010 Supreme Court decision that largely removed limits on union and corporate spending in support of political campaigns. Protesters descended on the U. S. Supreme Court in Washington D.C. as part of the nationwide effort that Occupy Wall Street has dubbed “Occupy the Courts.”As an aside, I detailed quite cleary that the "Anarchist" group in Oakland (I don't think they're anywhere else in the Bay Area), the black-masked guys who wear all black, were the ones involved in the damage. They're well known among the Occupy Oakland group, who tried to get them out of their protests, but when THEY were attacked by them, gave up and now get blamed for everything they do. Of course they know when protests are to be held, and they show up every time and give OccupyOakland a black eye with their activities. Not that facts will ever get through partisan jihad thinking, nor do I expect it will, but a teeeeny bit of intelligence should have been enough to avoid the ridiculous snide comeback that they just 'happen' to be around, and of COURSE OPD has officers around whenever there's to be a demonstration. "Rampang" drug us is also a lie, and "rapes" and "murders" have already been shown to have been committed by others than the Occupy people...which sentence was obviously a waste of my typing time. Luckily I type fast, so haven't wasted too much time refuting that particular idiocy.
Quote:....some of them made it to the top of the roof and they then began to throw bibles down at the officers,” San Francisco Police Department spokesman Carlos Manfredi said.
Quote:Across the country, protesters also rallied at courthouses Friday to challenge a 2010 Supreme Court decision that largely removed limits on union and corporate spending in support of political campaigns. Protesters descended on the U. S. Supreme Court in Washington D.C. as part of the nationwide effort that Occupy Wall Street has dubbed “Occupy the Courts.”
Monday, January 30, 2012 7:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Not that facts will ever get through partisan jihad thinking
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