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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
We will see come november.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
There ya go, confounding poor ol RapTard with facts again. He don't like those.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And Niki, Obama DID have the help of Congress. Both House and Senate belonged to the Democrats, for 2 years, as he entered office. ObamaCare ? Passed. Govt control of the student loan programs Passed. Nearly a trillion $ in Recovery and Reinvestment Act ? Passed. Govt take over of GM ? Cash for Clunkers ? Financial Institution reform ? These and so much more were achieved under Obama's 1st term, and the results speak for themselves.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Newt's IDEA , of a base on the moon, is visionary, at least. I'm glad someone is at least looking forward to mankind getting off this rock, and to the moon seems like a logical first step. Not real sure what 'facts' I'm missing here.

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But, in typical far Leftist manner, the point is dutifully being obfuscated, dodged and ignored. Obama made the claim, that if he couldn't improve matters, he deserved to be voted out of office. I submit, based on THE FACTS, that the public hold him to his word.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
...I'm not sure where you were going with that? The healthcare plan is a gimee to the insurance industry, but the rest we haven't seen fallout from yet - heck, the GM thing is already passed by, they paid back everything within a few months.

If you mean they all added to the deficit, okay, yes, that's a problem, but what you said suggested the consequences are immediately observable around us right now.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

The economy slowly recovering, but recovering none the less. Health Care will be more affordable and avalible for more people in the future, it is working in Mass. Student Loans which will now make that tax payers money instead of banks. GM is profitable again, and all those jobs where saved. Cash for Clunkers gave a boost to the economy and helpped keep some car dealerships open and people in jobs. Financail reform is a good start to prevent the banks and wallstreet from tanking the economy again.

So...looks like he did pretty damn well!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You're nothing but a mind numbed robot who is dead set to parrot back administration talking points.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
January 2009: NYSE @ just over 8000.

January 2012: NYSE @ just over 12,700.


According to math, that's "better".

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NYSE isn't the economy though. That's a complete red herring, Kwickie. It's just one aspect of economic activity. You ignore all the other items, and focus on just that ONE, which has its own natural recovery pattern built into it. Where have Obama's polices shown to add in this recovery ?

Storybook - When you say h-care WILL BE less expensive, because of ObamsCare , when it's only gone up since it was passed, isn't a "fact", it's a talking point.

Maybe some day you'll learn the difference.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

The full health care reform has not gone into effect yet.

Now take these medicated pads to help with your massive butthurt.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
America is gonna need full body medicated pads, if Obama gets a 2nd term.

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America is gonna need full body medicated pads, if Obama gets a 2nd term.

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Okay, at least with the health care reform insurance will cover that.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
...I'm not sure where you were going with that? The healthcare plan is a gimee to the insurance industry, but the rest we haven't seen fallout from yet - heck, the GM thing is already passed by, they paid back everything within a few months.

If you mean they all added to the deficit, okay, yes, that's a problem, but what you said suggested the consequences are immediately observable around us right now.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
...I'm not sure where you were going with that? The healthcare plan is a gimee to the insurance industry, but the rest we haven't seen fallout from yet - heck, the GM thing is already passed by, they paid back everything within a few months.

If you mean they all added to the deficit, okay, yes, that's a problem, but what you said suggested the consequences are immediately observable around us right now.

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Not sure where you're getting your information. As of December the US still owned 25% of GM. That's about 500 million shares. That's a surefire conflict of interest.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/gm-should-buy-back-us-taxpayers
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
BHM - govt regulated 'cost reduction ' measures will, unquestionably, increase costs and limit availability. You claiming otherwise is itself a talking point. It comes down to, yes, simple math. There are x number of doctors able to provide services for the population. When you artificially raise the number of visitors to a limited number of doctors, cost will go up, and care will go down. Period, end of discussion.

ETA - Also, you speak of the full measures not kicking in until '14 ? There are also a lot of doctors who are already in the process of closing their doors and retiring, rather than deal w/ the bureaucratic nightmare that will be O-Care, should it ever be fully implemented.

Think DMV meets the VA Hospitals, and you've got O-Care.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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January 2009: NYSE @ just over 8000.

January 2012: NYSE @ just over 12,700.


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NYSE isn't the economy though. That's a complete red herring, Kwickie.

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Storybook - When you say h-care WILL BE less expensive, because of ObamsCare , when it's only gone up since it was passed, isn't a "fact", it's a talking point.

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Storybook - When you say h-care WILL BE less expensive, because of ObamsCare , when it's only gone up since it was passed, isn't a "fact", it's a talking point.

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I never said that, nimrod.

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January 2009: NYSE @ just over 8000.

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NYSE isn't the economy though. That's a complete red herring, Kwickie.

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Hilarious from a chump who kept insisting the economy was "on fire" under Bush, using similar, one-sided indicators.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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It was M5, not you. Corrected, but your remarks got lost in the noise of idiocy that's coming from the Right.

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@rationalists: Unemployment hits 3-year low. DOW hits 4-year high. Gay Kenyan atheist Muslim terrorist Socialism is sneaky

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YOU'RE FIRED !

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Last week, GM North America President Mark Reuss said sales of the Volt have been hurt by bad publicity. (Yeah it had to be the bad publicity, it couldn't be that by and large people just don't want the cars. But Central Planning says to keep on building them.)

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GM was outsold by Nissan Motor Co.'s all-electric Leaf in 2011, as the Japanese automaker sold nearly 9,700 last year. Nissan said it sold 676 Leafs in January, down from 954 in December.

Nissan hopes to double Leaf sales this year.

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Rappy just grasping at anything now.

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GM sold about 7,700 in 2011, below GM's target of 10,000. GM abandoned its sales target of 45,000 for 2012 last month, saying it would match "supply to demand."

GM was outsold by Nissan Motor Co.'s all-electric Leaf in 2011, as the Japanese automaker sold nearly 9,700 last year. Nissan said it sold 676 Leafs in January, down from 954 in December.

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Sales of General Motors cars, trucks, and utilities jumped 11.8 percent in March to 231,052 units, thanks to models like the Chevrolet Malibu and Equinox.
In fact, Chevrolet had the best growth of any GM brand, edging up 16.8 percent to 173,073 sales. Only one other brand, GMC, was positive; that brand jumped 12.2 percent to 34,337 units. Cadillac was down 13.4 percent to 10,537 units, and Buick sales dropped 16.3 percent to 13,105 units.
So what was hot (and not so hot) in March? Here’s a quick rundown.
Most Improved
Chevrolet Volt: Chevrolet’s biggest percentage increase came from its Volt extended-range electric vehicle. The EREV Volt jumped some 276.5 percent last month; with sales totaling 2289 units, March marked its best sales month to date. With the recent jump, the Volt now outsells another of Chevy’s iconic low-volume models: the Corvette.

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January 2009: NYSE @ just over 8000.

January 2012: NYSE @ just over 12,700.


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Obama is doing a great job because the rich are getting richer? Next you'll be explaining how "Trickle-down" economics is gonna float all boats.

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U.S. Jobless Claims Drop to 357,000; Lowest in 4 Years

The number of people seeking U.S. unemployment benefits fell to a four-year low last week, as layoffs slow and the job market strengthens.

Weekly applications dropped 6,000 to a seasonally adjusted 357,000, the Labor Department said Thursday. That’s the fewest since April 2008.

The four-week average, a less volatile measure, fell to 361,750, also the lowest in four years. The average has fallen nearly 13 percent in the past six months. More at http://business.time.com/2012/04/05/u-s-jobless-claims-drop-to-357000-
lowest-in-4-years/]