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Hey Occupy D.C ? Wakie Wakie ! Time to get up and move the HELL out!
Monday, February 6, 2012 1:41 PM
BYTEMITE
Monday, February 6, 2012 2:54 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 3:11 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Now according to little Rappy, all of the people at all of the occupy sites are vermin and need to be removed. And despite the FACT that IDENTIFIABLE TeaBaggers yelled racial epithets, spit on Congressmen, brought assault rifles to public meetings, blocked public access to town hall meetings, shouted down those they disagreed with, even stomped on a woman's head after they pushed her to the ground, he wants us to believe they are a force of reason and civility. THOSE are the people he supports.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:31 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Geezer: There is a difference between Supreme Court interpretations of the constitution, and what is in the constitution by the letter. Which is what was being claimed.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:42 AM
Quote:Nope. The duty of the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution in cases of dispute is in the Constitution "by the letter", as I quoted above.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 5:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: As for Geezer, he washes his hands of any bias and claims it's all about time, place and manner. Well gosh, if only it hadn't been .... on Federal land ... in front of City Hall ... with a tent ... if there hadn't been so many of them ... or so few ... if only they could thread his very narrow needle of acceptability ... they COULD exercise their first amendment rights ... well, not rights exactly, more like permissions, and maybe not permissions, but more like a qualified, conditional, provisional laxity by authorities. Otherwise, gosh, it's just to bad that ALL THOSE MANY PEOPLE can't be heard, or seen, or make their message public. Because only the most deserving should be able to.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 5:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: And I just said that an interpretation of the constitution is different from something being in the constitution "by the letter."
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 5:41 AM
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: In this case, what you posted was not an amendment to the constitution, therefore it is not written into the constitution.
Quote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:38 AM
Quote:Then neither is the right of Occupy folks to camp in McPherson Square.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: It's an assembly on public property. The constitution itself doesn't suggest a time limit which means camping during assembly is okay under the constitution.
Quote:I disagree with the supreme court's opinions. I do agree that it is the current rule of law, but that is where the "disobedience" in "civil disobedience" comes in. "Disobedience" is breaking a law.
Quote:Frankly I don't care that this law is broken. Police trying to enforce the law are just doing their job, but that also does not mean they are in the right from a moral standpoint, which is distinct from a legal standpoint.
Quote:I don't agree with their message, but I do think OWS has a right to be there, and if they want to risk jail going against a law I think is stupid, good for them.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 7:20 AM
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 8:03 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: Frankly I don't care if this law is broken. Police trying to enforce the law are just doing their job, but that also does not mean they are in the right from a moral standpoint, which is distinct from a legal standpoint.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 1:47 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Now according to little Rappy, all of the people at all of the occupy sites are vermin and need to be removed.
Quote:Washington, DC -- A new poll shows that 13% of Tea Party members believe violence against the current American government is justified. The January 14-16 poll shows that the Tea Party is more than twice as violent as self-identified members of the Democratic Party. The Tea Party was also more than twice as violent as the Republican Party. The Tea Party was 160% more violent than Democrats and 117% more violent than Republicans.
Quote:LAWRENCEVILLE — A Gwinnett judge sentenced a tea party member to serve eight years in prison for attacking and hospitalizing a President Barack Obama supporter during a 2009 bar room altercation, a prosecutor said Thursday. The victim, Patrick O’Neill, then 24, was hospitalized for five days and endured a months-long recovery. He testified that he suffered numerous facial fractures, including a broken nose and orbital ethmoid bone, Taylor said. According to testimony, trouble began when Morgan was talking to other bar patrons about his negative feelings about Obama, when one of O’Neill’s friends said he had voted for the president. Morgan replied, “Well, you are stupid as hell,” before making some racist comments or jokes, witnesses testified, Taylor said. All people involved were white, she said. Later, O’Neill and his friend were laughing about or poking fun at Morgan’s comments when he became angry, fetched a pool cue and broke it across O’Neill’s face. The impact was so forceful that the victim had no memory of being struck or the circumstances leading up to it, Taylor said. Morgan, who testified he considers himself a tea party member, told the court he was acting in self-defense. He claimed O’Neill and his friend had threatened “to beat him up in the parking lot,” Taylor said, recalling testimony. Witnesses for the prosecution testified that Morgan tried to run from the scene, but a bouncer and other individuals held him down until police arrived. http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/another-non-violent-tea-party-member-gets-thrown-in-jail---attacked-an-obama-supporter-w-pool-sti/question-1505251/] Quote:Man arrested for battery in Capitol altercation Madison - A Green Bay man was arrested for battery for an altercation in the Capitol involving members of a pro-union singalong and a former state senator. Around 1 p.m. Tuesday, a group of protesters was participating in their daily singalong in the Capitol rotunda, when two men along with former state Sen. David Zien began interrupting their singing. According to Sue Trace, one of the participants in the singalong, Zien yelled "Walker for president" while two men draped Zien's "Don't Tread On Me" flag over the singers' heads. The two men were Green Bay resident Henry Rahr and Shorewood, Minn., resident Eugene German. Michael Dickman, 50, said Rahr and German were bumping into him along with other singers and grabbing their banners. Dickman said he tried to pull the flag away from Rahr. Dickman said Rahr then put him in a headlock and punched him in the face, chipping his front tooth. Rahr, 50, was charged with battery but denied punching Dickman. When asked if he draped the flag over the singers' heads, Rahr said "I don't recall." Capitol Police were called to the scene and arrested Rahr and German. Police cited Rahr, German and Dickman for disorderly conduct. http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/124320434.html, "1 man with a gun"?Quote:Hundreds brought their guns to a Tea Party rally in Greensboro, North Carolina on Saturday to demonstrate that the Constitution protects the right to own and carry a firearm. Two hundred attended the Restore the Constitution Rally at the Guildford Courthouse in Battleground Park, openly carrying their pistols and rifles. http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/08/17/hundreds-bear-arms-for-2nd-amendment/] "San Diego a Tea Partier with a gun - February 27, 2010, at San Diego Bay. Our counter-rally was across the street." "Here's the photo the NYT ran of Greg Dement (yes, that's his last name) anchoring a Tea Party-inspired, "right-of-the-NRA" demonstration to openly flaunt weapons in public." "Vince Vaccaro of Townsend, Mont. , sports his rifle during the Lewis and Clark Conservative Tea Party's "Constitution Rally", Friday, March 4, 2011, on the steps of the Sate Capitol in Helena, Mont. " "Trey Cathey, right, of Yellowstone County, adjusts his rifle, as he talks with John Richardson during the Lewis and Clark Conservative Tea Party's rally" Just check "images of Tea Party guns"...you could go on forever. Okay, that didn't take much time and was interesting. On to more worthwhile activities...
Quote:Man arrested for battery in Capitol altercation Madison - A Green Bay man was arrested for battery for an altercation in the Capitol involving members of a pro-union singalong and a former state senator. Around 1 p.m. Tuesday, a group of protesters was participating in their daily singalong in the Capitol rotunda, when two men along with former state Sen. David Zien began interrupting their singing. According to Sue Trace, one of the participants in the singalong, Zien yelled "Walker for president" while two men draped Zien's "Don't Tread On Me" flag over the singers' heads. The two men were Green Bay resident Henry Rahr and Shorewood, Minn., resident Eugene German. Michael Dickman, 50, said Rahr and German were bumping into him along with other singers and grabbing their banners. Dickman said he tried to pull the flag away from Rahr. Dickman said Rahr then put him in a headlock and punched him in the face, chipping his front tooth. Rahr, 50, was charged with battery but denied punching Dickman. When asked if he draped the flag over the singers' heads, Rahr said "I don't recall." Capitol Police were called to the scene and arrested Rahr and German. Police cited Rahr, German and Dickman for disorderly conduct. http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/124320434.html, "1 man with a gun"?Quote:Hundreds brought their guns to a Tea Party rally in Greensboro, North Carolina on Saturday to demonstrate that the Constitution protects the right to own and carry a firearm. Two hundred attended the Restore the Constitution Rally at the Guildford Courthouse in Battleground Park, openly carrying their pistols and rifles. http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/08/17/hundreds-bear-arms-for-2nd-amendment/] "San Diego a Tea Partier with a gun - February 27, 2010, at San Diego Bay. Our counter-rally was across the street." "Here's the photo the NYT ran of Greg Dement (yes, that's his last name) anchoring a Tea Party-inspired, "right-of-the-NRA" demonstration to openly flaunt weapons in public." "Vince Vaccaro of Townsend, Mont. , sports his rifle during the Lewis and Clark Conservative Tea Party's "Constitution Rally", Friday, March 4, 2011, on the steps of the Sate Capitol in Helena, Mont. " "Trey Cathey, right, of Yellowstone County, adjusts his rifle, as he talks with John Richardson during the Lewis and Clark Conservative Tea Party's rally" Just check "images of Tea Party guns"...you could go on forever. Okay, that didn't take much time and was interesting. On to more worthwhile activities...
Quote:Hundreds brought their guns to a Tea Party rally in Greensboro, North Carolina on Saturday to demonstrate that the Constitution protects the right to own and carry a firearm. Two hundred attended the Restore the Constitution Rally at the Guildford Courthouse in Battleground Park, openly carrying their pistols and rifles. http://www.therightperspective.org/2010/08/17/hundreds-bear-arms-for-2nd-amendment/] "San Diego a Tea Partier with a gun - February 27, 2010, at San Diego Bay. Our counter-rally was across the street." "Here's the photo the NYT ran of Greg Dement (yes, that's his last name) anchoring a Tea Party-inspired, "right-of-the-NRA" demonstration to openly flaunt weapons in public." "Vince Vaccaro of Townsend, Mont. , sports his rifle during the Lewis and Clark Conservative Tea Party's "Constitution Rally", Friday, March 4, 2011, on the steps of the Sate Capitol in Helena, Mont. " "Trey Cathey, right, of Yellowstone County, adjusts his rifle, as he talks with John Richardson during the Lewis and Clark Conservative Tea Party's rally" Just check "images of Tea Party guns"...you could go on forever. Okay, that didn't take much time and was interesting. On to more worthwhile activities...
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 3:21 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 5:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: "Vince Vaccaro of Townsend, Mont. , sports his rifle during the Lewis and Clark Conservative Tea Party's "Constitution Rally", Friday, March 4, 2011, on the steps of the Sate Capitol in Helena, Mont.
Tuesday, February 7, 2012 5:55 PM
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 4:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Fremdfirma: With a really halfass magazine, too - seriously, for the time and effort involved he coulda gone with one of the Drum magazines like I got. -F
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:59 AM
Wednesday, February 8, 2012 8:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Now that is a TRULY idiotic reach! The point was "guns", not which kind of toys...er guns...they were wearing/bringing. Desperate, eh? You really seem to have a knack for reaching waaaay outside an argument in an effort to make your point. You didn't even come close this time. I responded with facts and photos, that's all that needs doing. The original statement was wrong. Period.
Thursday, February 9, 2012 11:42 AM
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