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"So we're stupid & we'll die."

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Saturday, February 11, 2012 7:14 PM

CHRISISALL


Pris pretty much summed it up for us all, 'eh?


The laughing Chrisisall



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Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Wow, I actually had to look up that quote to see if Pris had actually ever said it. Good catch!


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Saturday, February 11, 2012 11:53 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


More awes

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
More awes

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.




Best line in the movie, IMHO.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Guess I wasn't the only one to catch this one playin'.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:27 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Anyway, Chris, I'm sorry to say that I agree with Pris. We - collectively- all 7 billion+ of us- are facing a self-created armageddon. It could - and probably will- come at us from multiple fronts, because of our reliance on things like global transportation and tight supply chains and advanced technology. A breakdown in one critical area: food distribution, communication, electrical distribution etc will be instantly transmitted through the system.

We SHOULD be coming together. The problems that we - all 7 billion+ of us- have created or allowed to fester, can only be solved by the engagement of most of us. But what are we doing? Instead of fighting our problems we are fighting each other, or sticking our heads in the sand, or fantasizing about solutions which will never work. Humans ARE capable of long-term planning, just look at Germany and the Nordic countries, but there needs to be massive broad scale education and enough time to think about the future. And that's one thing TPTB hate: a population that might be educated enough and have enough time to think. Because then TPTB would B no longer.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 2:05 PM

FREMDFIRMA



Oh it's comin, like I say - all just a matter of time...

Problem is will there be ENOUGH time, which is why I push the matter so.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 2:11 PM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

fantasizing about solutions which will never work.


Gee, wonder who you're talking about.

Quote:

but there needs to be massive broad scale education and enough time to think about the future. And that's one thing TPTB hate: a population that might be educated enough and have enough time to think. Because then TPTB would B no longer.


...Yeah, okay. That's important too.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 2:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Pris really DID say that, hunh?

"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."

One of my favorite quotes ever, and on my list of all time favorite movies.

Speaking of 'really stupid and we're all going to die', which I agree with, I caught a movie on TV - Manhattan Project - which was way way better than War Games.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:51 PM

OONJERAH



"It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:15 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)











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Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:22 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

"It's in your nature to destroy yourselves."




Yeah, major bummer.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:24 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Anyway, Chris, I'm sorry to say that I agree with Pris. We - collectively- all 7 billion+ of us- are facing a self-created armageddon. It could - and probably will- come at us from multiple fronts, because of our reliance on things like global transportation and tight supply chains and advanced technology. A breakdown in one critical area: food distribution, communication, electrical distribution etc will be instantly transmitted through the system.

We SHOULD be coming together. The problems that we - all 7 billion+ of us- have created or allowed to fester, can only be solved by the engagement of most of us. But what are we doing? Instead of fighting our problems we are fighting each other, or sticking our heads in the sand, or fantasizing about solutions which will never work. Humans ARE capable of long-term planning, just look at Germany and the Nordic countries, but there needs to be massive broad scale education and enough time to think about the future. And that's one thing TPTB hate: a population that might be educated enough and have enough time to think. Because then TPTB would B no longer.

They will B until the end.
And die with the most toys.
A win, of sorts.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 12, 2012 5:50 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Anyway, Chris, I'm sorry to say that I agree with Pris. We - collectively- all 7 billion+ of us- are facing a self-created armageddon. It could - and probably will- come at us from multiple fronts, because of our reliance on things like global transportation and tight supply chains and advanced technology. A breakdown in one critical area: food distribution, communication, electrical distribution etc will be instantly transmitted through the system.

We SHOULD be coming together. The problems that we - all 7 billion+ of us- have created or allowed to fester, can only be solved by the engagement of most of us. But what are we doing? Instead of fighting our problems we are fighting each other, or sticking our heads in the sand, or fantasizing about solutions which will never work. Humans ARE capable of long-term planning, just look at Germany and the Nordic countries, but there needs to be massive broad scale education and enough time to think about the future. And that's one thing TPTB hate: a population that might be educated enough and have enough time to think. Because then TPTB would B no longer.



We'll survive if we are clever enough to do so. If we do not, we'll become extinct and lost to time as another evolutionary dead end, one that could not even compete in timelines at least with the dinosaurs, who were pretty damned stupid apparently.


In the grand scheme of things, it probably does not matter.

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:37 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



It's like Agent Kay said.

" A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:43 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
If we do not, we'll become extinct and lost to time as another evolutionary dead end, one that could not even compete in timelines at least with the dinosaurs, who were pretty damned stupid apparently.


We can stop a meteor the Dinos could not, but we can't stop our own greed. So who's really stupid?


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 12, 2012 6:55 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
If we do not, we'll become extinct and lost to time as another evolutionary dead end, one that could not even compete in timelines at least with the dinosaurs, who were pretty damned stupid apparently.


We can stop a meteor the Dinos could not, but we can't stop our own greed. So who's really stupid?


The laughing Chrisisall




Hello,

We can stop a meteor?

I've only seen that in poorly written films.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Sunday, February 12, 2012 7:00 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



We can only try and stop what we see comin'. It's the ones we don't see, that'll get us.

And what of super volcanoes ? Not a hell of a lot we can do about those, now is there ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, February 12, 2012 7:07 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AnthonyT:


We can stop a meteor?

I've only seen that in poorly written films.


Poorly technically directed films.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 12, 2012 7:08 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


And what of super volcanoes ? Not a hell of a lot we can do about those, now is there ?



LOL, don't live on one.


The laughing Chrisisall


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Sunday, February 12, 2012 7:16 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:


And what of super volcanoes ? Not a hell of a lot we can do about those, now is there ?



LOL, don't live on one.


The laughing Chrisisall




Use of 'super' wasn't to show admiration for volcanoes in general, doofus.


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Sunday, February 12, 2012 8:50 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Hi Oonjerah, haven't gotten a chance to say welcome and don't be afraid to post here in RWED, everyone claims its really scary in here but it ain't that bad, if I can write here and not be scared then anyone can, its fun.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 13, 2012 2:54 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


No need to destroy a meteor, since it's harmless. It's only the meteorITES you have to worry about!

But really, worry more about comets and asteroids. There's some thinking that either would be pretty easy to shatter if known about far enough in advance. Latest ideas are that asteroids are loosely-held "flying rockpiles" which aren't really solid objects, but piles of individual - and much smaller - rocks held loosely in a group by gravity. As such, a nuclear detonation in the vicinity of said rockpile would be enough to scatter it, deflecting it from our path. Or sending even more pieces hurtling into Earth...

'Course, as with most things, the knowing it's there is the key.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, February 13, 2012 4:37 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

"As such, a nuclear detonation in the vicinity of said rockpile would be enough to scatter it, deflecting it from our path. Or sending even more pieces hurtling into Earth..."


Hello,

I used to study the effects of nuclear munitions in space, as a point of interest to sci-fi writing.

Turns out if you want to stop a space object, being in its 'vicinity' with a nuclear weapon isn't enough. You want to be in physical contact with it, or preferably inside of it.

Then there's the problem that we tend to detect most potential Earth-killers either when it's too late to stop them, or even after they've passed us by.

And that's really the only argument a small government person can make for spending money on space. A significant investment in space is the only way to prevent Earthkillers from harming us. We currently don't have the capability, and it would take many trillions of dollars to develop it. If Defense is a government job, that is.

--Anthony


_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Monday, February 13, 2012 5:16 AM

BYTEMITE


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one that could not even compete in timelines at least with the dinosaurs, who were pretty damned stupid apparently.


They were at least as smart as birds. And secondly, the problem was more an issue that the dinosaurs were already occupying all the major ecological niches more than the mammalian set up is bad.

I also posit that greed comes from the reptile brain.

As for super volcanoes, famine, global warming, aging sun, and meteors, I again counter: space travel.

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Monday, February 13, 2012 10:35 AM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Hi Oonjerah, haven't gotten a chance to say welcome and don't be afraid to post here in RWED, everyone claims its really scary in here but it ain't that bad, if I can write here and not be scared then anyone can, its fun.



Thank you!

The previous RWD forum that I knew was quite combative. But this FFN is a "play nice" forum.
Very pleasant so far.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Monday, February 13, 2012 10:39 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh dear! "So far!"

I hope it stays that way for you!

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Monday, February 13, 2012 10:39 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Turns out if you want to stop a space object, being in its 'vicinity' with a nuclear weapon isn't enough. You want to be in physical contact with it, or preferably inside of it."

Ah yes, of course, as there is no shock wave to transmit the force. Very interesting, to me.

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Monday, February 13, 2012 10:41 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Anyway, Chris, I'm sorry to say that I agree with Pris. We - collectively- all 7 billion+ of us- are facing a self-created armageddon. It could - and probably will- come at us from multiple fronts, because of our reliance on things like global transportation and tight supply chains and advanced technology. A breakdown in one critical area: food distribution, communication, electrical distribution etc will be instantly transmitted through the system.

We SHOULD be coming together. The problems that we - all 7 billion+ of us- have created or allowed to fester, can only be solved by the engagement of most of us. But what are we doing? Instead of fighting our problems we are fighting each other, or sticking our heads in the sand, or fantasizing about solutions which will never work. Humans ARE capable of long-term planning, just look at Germany and the Nordic countries, but there needs to be massive broad scale education and enough time to think about the future. And that's one thing TPTB hate: a population that might be educated enough and have enough time to think. Because then TPTB would B no longer.




As Tommy Lee once said, "A person is smart. People are dumb."

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, February 13, 2012 10:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:

The previous RWD forum that I knew was quite combative. But this FFN is a "play nice" forum.
Very pleasant so far.





Yep. It's all hugs and giggles here.

Oh, and Storybook, thanks for repeating my MIB quote .

I guess ya liked it so much, ya just had to post it again, huh?



" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, February 13, 2012 3:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
The previous RWD forum that I knew was quite combative. But this FFN is a "play nice" forum.
Very pleasant so far.


*laughter*
That's what we call tempting fate...
That said, some of the most hostile discussions here have also been the most productive, thought provoking and intriguing.

Keep your head down, inch toward daylight.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Monday, February 13, 2012 3:57 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
Hi Oonjerah, haven't gotten a chance to say welcome and don't be afraid to post here in RWED, everyone claims its really scary in here but it ain't that bad, if I can write here and not be scared then anyone can, its fun.



Thank you!

The previous RWD forum that I knew was quite combative. But this FFN is a "play nice" forum.
Very pleasant so far.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon




Welcome. And beware. It gets rough in here; the water's deep, and there are sharks. But it's still a damned fine swimming hole anyway, and well worth the risks!

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, February 13, 2012 4:07 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Welcome. And beware. It gets rough in here; the water's deep, and there are sharks. But it's still a damned fine swimming hole anyway, and well worth the risks!



Yeah, but -- There's a sign on the bank saying, "DON'T feed the Sharks!"


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Monday, February 13, 2012 4:12 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Hi Onnjerah, even though we fight sometimes and disagree a lot everyone in here has been really nice to me. This is a free speech zone, which means there are no moderators or rules about what you can and can't post. We self regulate in here and one must gage what one wants to say by gaging the response of one's comrades. If you don't mind someone thinking you're mean or whatever you can say whatever you want to. Its a good way to have a forum because we manage our own selves instead of having some selected person do it for us.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 13, 2012 4:48 PM

OONJERAH


In my earliest experiences surfing, I recall one or two chat rooms that always smelled of gunsmoke. Or they'd try to be cute about it, and Slap one another with a dead fish.

OonJerah: "The previous RWD forum that I knew was quite combative."


I was rarely attacked in the other RWD forum. 1) I usually treat others with respect no matter the rules or the provocation.
2) The combatants would be fighting about something I didn't know or care about.

It was extremely tiresome to scan down the pages to get past the bickering & find comments that were honest, relevant.

My sis used to explain this to me, for she knew it personally. Lately, perhaps just over this last month, it is finally sinking in:
Rageoholics. Some people are totally in love with their anger. It makes them feel powerful.
(Others simply cannot resist a Gotcha!)

I see none of that here, and I am happy!



"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Monday, February 13, 2012 6:18 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!




Quote:

"So we're stupid & we'll die."


If she had said YES that day, the REAL Blade Runner unit woulda retired her.

Stupid, lucky, whatever it takes...

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=jfk%20jr%20Daryl%20Hannah


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Monday, February 13, 2012 7:45 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


There is some of that here too, Raptor and Quicko are known for such behavior, and some of us do find ourselves trying to get past bickering posts to have a conversation, but if that's how people want to post they can.

Your name is cool, what's it from?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:59 AM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
There is some of that here too, Raptor and Quicko are known for such behavior, and some of us do find ourselves trying to get past bickering posts to have a conversation, but if that's how people want to post they can.

Your name is cool, what's it from?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya



I'm a pirate. For REAL.


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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:19 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


PN, I like going to the Pirate Festival every Sept.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:34 PM

OONJERAH


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's like Agent Kay said.

" A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."



And why is that?
Because 90% are followers. The other 10% will never agree on who's leading or where we are going.

"So we're stupid & we'll die." In the aftermath of the dying, will the 10% remain? Hmmm.


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:35 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Oonjerah:
In my earliest experiences surfing, I recall one or two chat rooms that always smelled of gunsmoke. Or they'd try to be cute about it, and Slap one another with a dead fish.

OonJerah: "The previous RWD forum that I knew was quite combative."


I was rarely attacked in the other RWD forum. 1) I usually treat others with respect no matter the rules or the provocation.
2) The combatants would be fighting about something I didn't know or care about.

It was extremely tiresome to scan down the pages to get past the bickering & find comments that were honest, relevant.

My sis used to explain this to me, for she knew it personally. Lately, perhaps just over this last month, it is finally sinking in:
Rageoholics. Some people are totally in love with their anger. It makes them feel powerful.
(Others simply cannot resist a Gotcha!)

I see none of that here, and I am happy!



"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon




I subscribe to the teachings of John Lydon, who said "Anger is an energy." :)

And so is snarkasm. ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 8:24 PM

OONJERAH



Quote Oonjerah: "But this FFN is a "play nice" forum. Very pleasant so far."

Quote FremdFirma: *laughter* "That's what we call tempting fate...
That said, some of the most hostile discussions here have also been the most productive, thought provoking and intriguing.

Keep your head down, inch toward daylight."

Quote Oonjerah on anger: "I see none of that here, and I am happy!"

Quote Kwicko: "I subscribe to the teachings of John Lydon, who said "Anger is an energy." :)

And so is snarkasm. ;)"

*whining as rose-colored glasses fall to the floor* I saw anger in here!


"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon

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Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:21 PM

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