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Signy's Hundred Dollar Budget

POSTED BY: ANTHONYT
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Monday, February 13, 2012 3:12 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I am reposting Signy's excellent budget question in a new, cleaner thread.

--Anthony



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ORIGINALLY POSTED BY SIGNY

Let's try an opinion poll, of several questions:

1) Out of every $100 that you pay in INCOME taxes, how much do you want to go to

The military
Homeland Security (the technical overseer of all of the alphabet-soup agencies except military intelligence)
Education, as direct funds to schools
The environment, like the EPA, clean water
Health (such as the CDC, FDA, and NIH research)
Clean energy, energy conservation, and energy independence
Infrastructural investment (public roads, bridges, sewers, dams, water lines etc)

For me, it would be
$20 for a solid energy program
$10 for the environment
$20 for education
$10 for infrastructure
$10 health
$5 assistance to the poor and disabled
$5 financial reform
$5 military
$5 intelligence
$10 paying down the debt

2) If you could, would you like to buy into Medicare for health insurance at a slight premium over cost?

Yes.

3) Social Security is solvent for now. Would you rather make minor changes to the program to continue projected solvency for the foreseeable future (roughly 75 years?) Or would you rather privatize the program?

Make minor changes to existing programs.

See? Choices.




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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner



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Monday, February 13, 2012 3:50 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,


1) Out of every $100 that you pay in INCOME taxes, how much do you want to go to

The military $5
(Focus on Defense, Nonaggression policies)
Homeland Security $1.50
(Fed Law Enforcement/border control minus prostitution/drugs)
(Includes .50 for passive Intelligence gathering/analysis)
Education $20
(Focus on tailoring education to student interests/aptitudes rather than universal benchmarks)
The environment $20
(Focus on sustainable use, protection of assets)
Infrastructural investment $20
(Trains, Planes, Power Plants, and Automobiles :-)
Debt Payment $30
Health: $1.50
Welfare: $1.00
Cash Reserves/Emergency Fund: $1

Health, Welfare, Emergency Fund to receive additional funding once Debt reduction milestones are reached. Emergency Funds to be capped at $100 and to remain untapped except for Emergencies)


2) If you could, would you like to buy into Medicare for health insurance at a slight premium over cost?

Yes. Just like how the Post Office used to work when it was solvent. Cheapest way to send a letter.

3) Social Security is solvent for now. Would you rather make minor changes to the program to continue projected solvency for the foreseeable future (roughly 75 years?) Or would you rather privatize the program?

My plan would probably require disbursing currently collected Social Security funds back to the citizenry in proportion to investment and remaking the program at some future point when the debt is reduced. Citizens will meanwhile be encouraged to fund their retirement privately and to be charitable to one another.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Monday, February 13, 2012 4:06 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


So in the choice list it doesn't include some of the things that you gave money to in your list Signe. So what are all my choices and then I'll play.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 13, 2012 4:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think to make this clean I should grab a list of expenditures from the REAL budget, and also allow add-ons (perhaps ppl want a different program altogether, and it can't be shoehorned into an existing category)

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Monday, February 13, 2012 4:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA


COPIED OVER.

Mine.

$15 for a solid energy program
$8 for the environment
$10 for education
$20 for infrastructure
$15 health
$15 assistance to the poor and disabled
$7 financial reform
$0 military
$0 intelligence
$10 paying down the debt

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Monday, February 13, 2012 4:47 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, here are the categories, followed by the percentage of the budget which is "mandatory", and the percentage of the budget which is "discretionary". For example, National Defense mandatory spending currently accounts for 0.31% of the total budget, but discretionary defense spending accounts for 54.45% of the total budget.

So, let's see if we can work within these categories, but tell me how you would like the spending prioritized and category details:

National Defense 0.31 54.45
International Affairs -0.06 4.81
General Science, Space & Technology 2.39
Energy 0.29 1.21
Natural Resources and Environment 0.10 2.99
Agriculture 0.48 0.52
Commerce and Housing Credit 0.86 0.17
Transportation 2.58 3.02
Community and Regional Development 0.04 1.84
Education, Training, Employment and Social Services 0.03 7.86
Health 12.43 4.81
Medicare 19.51 0.52
Income Security 19.46 5.23
Social Security 30.57 0.47
Veterans Benefits and Services 2.64 4.40
Administration of Justice 0.39 3.65
General Government 0.36 1.65
Net Interest 9.71 0.00
Allowances 0.26 0.00

So, mine would be

National Defense $5- even that is too much
International Affairs ?What is this?
General Science, Space & Technology $3
Energy $7- home and business energy conservation programs, investment in renewable energy, research into energy technology, conversion of transmission lines to more efficient lines, etc.
Natural Resources and Environment $7- This should include things like wetlands restoration, barrier island restoration, forest rehabilitation (eg forest managment), etc.
Agriculture $2- Crop insurance, and loan programs. A maximum amount for any particular farm, enough to benefit family farms, a piddling amount for corporate farms
Commerce and Housing Credit $2- Actually, I would like to see direct homeowner loans
Transportation $5- Including interstate railway, mass transit, roads and bridges
Community and Regional Development $5- pass-through funding for infrastructural
Education, Training, Employment and Social Services $10- direct pass through to elementary, junior and high schools, trade schools, and adult education
Health $10 -FDA, CDC, NIH
Income Security (unemployment benefits) $10 -half of current
NEW CATEGORY: Industrial redevelopment $10
Veterans Benefits and Services $5
Administration of Justice $5
General Government $2
Net Interest $10
Paydown of debt $19

-----------------
Now, since Medicare and Social Security are SELF FUNDED, they belong elsewhere

Medicare $25- more than current, SELF FUNDED
Social Security $30- same as current, SELF FUNDED

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Monday, February 13, 2012 6:19 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

Updating to conform to the new format.

National Defense $5
(Focused on Defense, no overseas assets/bases, reduced aggression ability)

International Affairs $1
(If this is maintaining diplomats?)

General Science, Space & Technology $1
(Technology Grants)

Energy $5
(Focus on renewable resources)

Natural Resources and Environment $15
(Focus on Preserving national assets and using them sustainably)

Agriculture $0

Commerce and Housing Credit $0

Transportation $15
(Assuming this deals with transportation infrastructure)

Community and Regional Development $0

Education, Training, Employment and Social Services $20

Health $1.00

Medicare $1.00

Income Security $1.50

Social Security $.50

Veterans Benefits and Services $1.00

Administration of Justice $1.00
(Sans war on Drugs, Vices)

General Government $1.00

Net Interest ??? $0

Allowances ??? $0

NEW CATEGORY - Debt Payment $30
(Temporary until Debt paid, then disbursed to Health, Medicare, Social Security)

NEW CATEGORY - Emergency Reserve $1
(For National Disasters, Temporary until desired goal reached, then disbursed to Technology)

My preference regarding Social Security is actually that it be refunded and reset once debt is paid down, but I had some money left.

--Anthony





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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Monday, February 13, 2012 7:41 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Okay.

Education and social services 12. Health (medicare and medicaid, medical research) 12. Environment 10 Transportation 10. Social security and SSI/SSD 10. VA/helping our warriors afterwords 10. Military 9. International affairs (helping others) 2. Science/research 4. Energy 5. Agriculture 5. Legal/justice 5. Government expenses 1 and paying off debt 5.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, February 13, 2012 8:51 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I like the idea of emergency reserves. Something unpredictable always comes up. You can't predict what, when, and where, but the laws of average guarantee that somewhere, sometime, shit happens.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:47 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I like the idea of emergency reserves. Something unpredictable always comes up. You can't predict what, when, and where, but the laws of average guarantee that somewhere, sometime, shit happens.



Hello,

Thank you. I try to do this in real life. Whenever I get a financial boon, I put some into savings for the inevitable "Oh crap" occurrence.

The funds rarely last from one year to the next, such is the regularity of Crap. ;-)

--Anthony



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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner


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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:54 AM

BYTEMITE


? Don't understand function.

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:42 AM

CAVETROLL


National Defense $5
(Focused on Defense, no overseas assets/bases, reduced aggression ability)

General Science, Space & Technology $5
(Technology research)

Energy $5
(Focus on renewable resources)

Natural Resources and Environment $10
(Focus on Preserving national assets and using them sustainably)

Agriculture $0

Commerce and Housing Credit $0

Infrastructure $10

Education, Training, Employment and Social Services $20

Health $1.00

Medicare $1.00

Income Security $1.50

Social Security $.50

Veterans Benefits and Services $3.00

Administration of Justice $1.00
(Sans war on Drugs, Vices)

General Government $1.00

Net Interest ??? $0

Allowances ??? $0

NEW CATEGORY - Debt Payment $30
(Temporary until Debt paid)

NEW CATEGORY - Emergency Reserve $1.5
(For National Disasters, Temporary until desired goal reached, then disbursed to Technology)

Return to the taxpayers $25

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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 6:42 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
So, here are the categories, followed by the percentage of the budget which is "mandatory", and the percentage of the budget which is "discretionary". For example, National Defense mandatory spending currently accounts for 0.31% of the total budget, but discretionary defense spending accounts for 54.45% of the total budget.

So, let's see if we can work within these categories, but tell me how you would like the spending prioritized and category details:

National Defense 0.31 54.45
International Affairs -0.06 4.81
General Science, Space & Technology 2.39
Energy 0.29 1.21
Natural Resources and Environment 0.10 2.99
Agriculture 0.48 0.52
Commerce and Housing Credit 0.86 0.17
Transportation 2.58 3.02
Community and Regional Development 0.04 1.84
Education, Training, Employment and Social Services 0.03 7.86
Health 12.43 4.81
Medicare 19.51 0.52
Income Security 19.46 5.23
Social Security 30.57 0.47
Veterans Benefits and Services 2.64 4.40
Administration of Justice 0.39 3.65
General Government 0.36 1.65
Net Interest 9.71 0.00
Allowances 0.26 0.00




Might want to check this, since the discretionary and non-discretionary percentages add up to about 200%.

If you could cite a source for this...

"Keep the Shiny side up"

ETA: Looks like the first figures are the percentage of the total 'mandatory' budget, and the second figures are the percentage of the total 'discretionary' budget.

So totaling both figures for one line would not give you the total percent of the overall budget.

I know this table has different line items, but it seems to reflect total budget allocations for 2012 correctly.


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Tuesday, February 14, 2012 4:46 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Hi Byte, is there one of these categories that you don't understand the function of, or do you not understand why we're playing this game.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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