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Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:44 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Those close to the case of a Christian pastor in Iran who's facing a death sentence for refusing to recant his faith now fear he could be killed any day now. The American Center for Law and Justice warned there is an "increased likelihood" that the execution order against Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani has been signed and could be carried out at any time. "The likelihood that the Iranian regime will execute him increases by the day," ACLJ Executive Director Jordan Sekulow said. He added that the situation is more "dire" than ever. Sign the online petition urging more pressure on Iran to release Pastor Youcef Nararkhani and to dismiss his death sentence. Meanwhile, several members of Congress have joined the fight to save Nadarkhani's life. http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/February/Resolution-Condemns-Iran-for-Pastors-Death-Sentence-/
Quote: A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team. Supporters fear Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old father of two who was arrested over two years ago on charges of *apostasy, may now be executed at any time without prior warning, as death sentences in Iran may be carried out immediately or dragged out for years. It is unclear whether Nadarkhani can appeal the execution order. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/22/iran-court-convicts-christian-pastor-convert-to-death/
Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:51 AM
STORYMARK
Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Gee, another broken record "Rappy hates Muslims" post? Why, golly gee, it's been.... like, a few hours since we've had one of those.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:59 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:03 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:06 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Yup, Rappy showing his Islamophobia again. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Quote: What is your point? That religious nutjobs are barbaric? That people in other countries do bad things? This is news to nobody, so what are you trying to convey? --Anthony
Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:14 AM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: It is also horrid that you and others want to blame an entire religion for that acts of some who follow it. There is not a religion on this planet which does not have members with blood on their hands. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:28 AM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:49 AM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:50 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning. Yes, you certainly do have hysterical blindness on this issue, and it is stunning.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And if your dad was sentenced to death for having done absolutely nothing, you'd be just fine w/ that, right?
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning. Yes, you certainly do have hysterical blindness on this issue, and it is stunning. And if your dad was sentenced to death for having done absolutely nothing, you'd be just fine w/ that, right? Glad to hear it. Funny, the whack jobs on the Left will praise cop killers and hold them in the highest esteem, and petition for their release. But a man converts from Islam to another religion, and THAT is his only crime, for which he gets the death sentence ... " Meh, what are you gonna do ? " Maybe if he had converted to Judaism... ? Hell no, what am I talking about ? I know, what if he had converted to Hinduism ? Or was a practicing Buddhist ? THEN we'd hear outrage... " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: It is also horrid that you and others want to blame an entire religion for that acts of some who follow it. There is not a religion on this planet which does not have members with blood on their hands. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Keep telling us all how much you support the troops, though.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Keep telling us all how much you support the troops, though.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Well not the pope, but... http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-70-Stoned-to-Death-for-Homosexuality-Police-118243719.html http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/christian-fundamentalist-kills-92-mostly-teenagers-in-norway/ http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/fundamentalist-christians-spanked-daughter-to-death-in-the-name-of-god/ I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:14 PM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello Mr. Raptor, You still have not conveyed anything. You have only held up a murder of innocents. What is your point? What action do you propose based on this information? --Anthony _______________________________________________ "In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Well not the pope, but... http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-70-Stoned-to-Death-for-Homosexuality-Police-118243719.html http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/christian-fundamentalist-kills-92-mostly-teenagers-in-norway/ http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/08/fundamentalist-christians-spanked-daughter-to-death-in-the-name-of-god/ I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: That just happens because they have let religious nutjobs have power. Luckly here we have the Democratic party to keep that from happening.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:30 PM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:32 PM
Quote: Semi-official Iranian news agency interviews widow of Mostafa Roshan – leaving no doubt as to nuclear program's goal. By Gil Ronen First Publish: 2/22/2012, 7:48 PM Reuters The wife of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, an Iranian nuclear scientist who was assassinated in Tehran in January, said Tuesday that her husband "sought the annihilation of the Zionist regime wholeheartedly," according to Iran's semi-official Fars news agency. "Mostafa's ultimate goal was the annihilation of Israel," the agency quoted Fatemeh Bolouri Kashani as saying Tuesday. Bolouri Kashani also underlined that her spouse "loved any resistance figure in his life who was willing to fight the Zionist regime and supported the rights of the oppressed Palestinian nation." The report belies attempts by Iran to claim that its nuclear program is not military in nature. Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan is described as "a chemistry professor and a deputy director of commerce at Natanz uranium enrichment facility." Fars says he was killed by Mossad agents, who used a method of attack similar to that used against Iranian nuclear scientist Massoud Ali Mohammadi in January 2010, as well as scientists Fereidoun Abbassi Davani and Majid Shahriari. Abbasi Davani survived the attack, but Shahriari died. Yet another Iranian scientist, Dariush Rezaeinejad, was assassinated by the same method in July of 2011.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:37 PM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:50 PM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 12:51 PM
OONJERAH
Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:02 PM
Quote:The power of America's so-called "Evangelical community" certainly cannot be underestimated. Its influence seems to be huge, to say the least, especially upon this present U.S. Administration. There is no doubt that America's "Evangelical Christians" (i.e., "Christian Zionists") not only support Israel in its totality, but also even seem to welcome an all-out War in the Middle East to "hasten" (or "accelerate") the climate for the realization of "end-time" events long prophecied. The main reason for this is quite simple. To them, it all started on May 14, 1948 when the State of Israel became a reality in more than 2000 years. It was a miraculous event to the vast majority of American's Fundamentalist Christians then (particularly to those who adhered to the so-called "dispensationalist" interpretation of the Bible) who rejoiced at that unprecedented event, believing that it was the fulfillment of Biblical Prophecy, the beginning of the "end-time" period. Fundamentalist Christians (such as Baptists, especially the Southern Baptists, Pentecostalists, such as the Assemeblies of God, Foursquare Churches, Full Gospel Churches, and all other denominations of the so-called "born-again", "Evangelical" beliefs), believed that the generation that would wtiness the re-establishment of Israel would also be the generation that would witness the Second Coming of Jesus and the consequent establishment of His Millenial Reign on earth from Israel. Thus they are all part of the growing and influential "Christian Zionists", which definitely played a major role in the growth of America's so-called Neo-Conservative ("Neo-Cons") movement of recent years. Going back to the significance of the establishment of Israel in 1948, quite a number of Fundamentalist Christians came to believe that a Biblical generation was 40 years. However, when 1988 (i.e., 40 years after 1948) came and went by without a whimper, another theory started to pop up. They found a new significant year in 1967, the year in which Israel (through the Six-days War) occupied the city of Jerusalem for the first time in more than 2000 years. Their belief then was that it was the fulfillment of the prophecy that said that "Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled". In this present, escalating Middle East crisis, it is apparent that the vast majority of America's "Evangelicals" not only support Israel's present actions but even seem to support an all-out War in the Middle East, in order to "hasten" (or "accelerate") the climate for the Second Coming of Jesus. As I mentioned a while ago, America's Neo-Conservative movement (the "Neo-Cons") is based upon the Evangelicals' "undying" support of Israel through their belief that Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies and that the U.S. must continue to support Israel, no matter what. Thus the "Evangelicals" and Neo-Cons seem to be pushing for an all-out attack on such as Iran and Syria. Meanwhile, the Israelis seem to be comforted and encouraged by the constant support given to them by America's "Evangelicals". This is indeed a strange alliance. (Some say, however, that the Israelils are simply taking advantage of the "blind support" given to them by America's "Evangelical Christian community"). In order to understand the mind-set of these Fundamentalist, "Evangelical" Christians, I think it is quite important to summarize their beliefs, especially their beliefs regarding the "end-times" prophetic scenarios they envision and expect to happen. Here are some of the strange "end-times" beliefs of Fundamentalist, "Evangelical" Christians: STRANGE "END-TIMES" BELIEFS OF FUNDAMENTALIST, "EVANGELICAL" CHRISTIANS As I mentioned a while ago, one of the main characteristics of America's "Neo-Cons", with the backing of Fundamentalist Christians and "Evangelicals", is their total support of Israel through their belief that contemporary Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies and the the U.S. must continue to support the State of Israel, no matter what. A large number of America's Fundamentalist Christians and "Evangelicals", therefore, seem to believe that we are living in the "end-time" period of God prophetic calendar. I think that it is important to point out some of the "end-time" scenarios as envisioned by these groups. Here is the typical order of prophetic events to come, as outlined by many Fundamentalist Christians and "Evangelicals" who hold on to the so-called Pre-Millenial, Dispensationalist, Pre-Tribulation viewpoints: 1) THE EZEKIEL 38 SCENARIO They seem to believe that this could easily begin with the escalation of the Middle East conflict, involving Israel. The Ezekiel 38 scenario includes the attempted invasion into Israel by all Islamic forces (led and orchestrated by the northern-most power, i.e., Russia) and will conclude with a miraculous Israeli victory. They believe that it is suggested in the Bible that it will take 7 years to bury the dead from this unprecedented conflagration. (The U.S. could be involved, directly or indirectly in this conflagration, they explain). 2) THE APPEARANCE OF THE ANTI-CHRIST According to their belief, the Ezekiel 38 scenario will conclude with the appearance of the Anti-Christ who will create a Peace Treaty between Israel and the Palestinians (and all Islmic confederation). (They say that, for example, Iran's Ahmadinejad believes that he could be the one that could be welcoming the coming, long-awaited Islamic prophet, "Imam" - i.e., the "Anti-Christ", to the Fundamentalist Christians) 3) THE RAPTURE They say that the Ezekiel 38 scenario could also conclude with the simultaneous disappearance of millions of people from this earth, which will result in total chaos, confusion and fear among the global populace. This, they say, is the "Rapture". It will be a mysterious, mass "evacuation" of the believers to meet the Lord in "mid-air". (The physical bodies will be mysteriously and instantaneously converted to celestial bodies). In other words, "born-again" believers will be translated from one side to the other side, i.e., from the earthly plane to the heavenly dimension and will meet Jesus in "mid-air". The "Rapture" (from "raptare", to "snatch" away, as in the eagle "snatching" away her baby when danger comes and taking it away to a safer location, etc.), is a supernatural event clearly suggested in the Bible that has not happened yet in the history of mankind, but will be certain to happen, according to most of these pre-tribulationist/dispensationalist believers. It will be an inexplicable, instantaneous disintegration of all atomic particles of each of our cells of our tissues, i.e., the instant conversion of our physical body into a spiritual, celestial "body" which will be swooshed up into "mid-air". In other words, they believe that "in the twinkling of an eye", our physical bodies will go through a mysterious sudden transmogrification (a favorite word used by John Keel) and will be lifted up to meet the Lord in "mid-air". Our entire physical bodies (the tissues, the cells will go through a sudden, inexplicable atomic fission-type transformation, they say. They believe that the "Rapture" is a conduit prepared by God for us to escape the coming global wrath know as the Tribulation (comparable to the days of Noah, when God safely placed a few faithful believers in the ark first and then caused the rain to downpour thereafter). Pre-tribulationist/dispensationalists believe that this unprecedented event will take place simultaneously with the appearance (the revealing) of the Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ will not be able to come to power until the "body of believers" (together with the presence of the Holy Spirit) is removed from this earth. Only then, at that moment, can the Anti-Christ come into power. The "Rapture" will literally be a celestial wedding, the union of the bride (the "church" or the "body of believers") and the Groom (Jesus Christ). This "wedding" celebration in the air will last for 7 days, which could be equivalent to 7 earthly years. 4) THE ANTI-CHRIST SUCCEEDS IN CALMING DOWN THE STUNNED, CONFUSED AND FEAR-FILLED POPULACE When the Anti-Christ appears on global emergency TV news conference, many of these Fundamentalist Christians say that he could calm down the frightened people of the earth with his ingenious, well-calculated explanation regarding the sudden disappearance of millions of people from the earth; this could be when "UFOs" are brought up; the Anti-Christ could use some type of "extraterrestrial" intervention explanation. (I would venture to say that in the United States, the majority of the so-called Fundamentalist, Evangelical Christians hold on to the viewpoint that somehow the "UFO" phenomenon is "Satanic" or "diabolical". These groups seem to believe that "UFOs" will play a major role in these future biblical prophecies. Some theorists even believe that if a global government of some sort is to be set up intentionally (by force) in the future, there are several ways to accomplish it. Creating wars is one example, they say. Creating other series of "crises" is another, such as taking advantages of natural global catastrophes, or even creating artificial ones. We all heard of the "ORDO AB CHAOS" theory. They also point out that Henry Kissinger's at one time suggested (in a statement he allegedly made in 1992 in Evians, France) that should the world suddenly face an external threat (i.e., from "outer space") where REAL or PROMULGATED, it would accelerate a cry for a global unified government. They say that Ronald Reagan and Gorbachev also had allegedly made such similar remarks, that is the world is faced with such an extraterrestrial threat, we will all forget our differences and be united as one to defend this earth from such threats. Can the "world government" stage a deceptive, "alien-contact-landing" scenario? If the secret government were to stage such a fake, "extraterrestrial" type of event, it would definitely be beneficial to them if there remains an adamant element of society who have always believed in "UFOs" and "aliens".) In any case, Fundamentalist "Evangelical" Christians seem to believe that somehow the Anti-Christ will come up with a brilliant, convincing explanation for the "Rapture" event and that somehow, the world will have a sigh of relief by his explanation. 5) THE BEGINNING OF THE 7-YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD That will be the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation Period (i.e., the "New World Order" of the Anti-Christ, the first half of which will be relatively peaceful, and the second half of which will be an iron-fisted rule of the Anti-Christ, who will declare himself to be God at mid-point). 6) THE BATTLE OF ARMAGGEDON: Towards the end of the 7th year, nations such as Red China (and the rest of the "Kings of the East") will challenge the dictatorship of Anti-Christ's Europe-based New World Order and will begin to cross the Euphrates and make a move towards the valley of Meggido. This battle, the battle of Armaggedon, will be the final global battle. During the climax of this battle, celestial forces led by Jesus Christ (and accompanied by those who were "raptured") will descend and will destroy all earthly forces. 7) A THOUSAND YEAR REIGN OF JESUS CHRIST FROM ISRAEL Jesus Christ will rule from Israel for a 1000 years. This is the Millenial Kingdom. 8) FINAL, MINOR REBELLION At the end of the 1000 years, there will be a minor rebellion by the descendants of those who may have survived the Armaggedon and continued to procreate, thus having physical bodies. That minor rebellion will be crushed by God. 9) THE FINAL JUDGMENT This is the gist of the events to occur in the near future, according to many of the so-called Fundamentalist, Dispensationalist, Evangelical, Pre-Millenial and Pre-Tribulational Christians. http://www.rense.com/general72/ssome.htm
Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Oonjerah: Can't we express our religious intolerance by making fun of Scientologists for a while? Er *looks around* -- any Scientologists in here? Furthermore, anyone who posts in this thread is just fanning the flames of ... FlameBlowers.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:06 PM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:15 PM
Quote:Another 27 paragraph article about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING having to do w/ anything should do just fine.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:21 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: Hi Raptor. Unfortunately this isn't altogether uncommon. It just doesn't get talked about because everyone wants to stick their heads in the sand and think that no one kills Christians anymore, I have news for you people it happens a lot more than you think. I think you people are so distracted by your dislike of Raptor that your heads are all stuck up your ... yeah ... and refuse to look at an issue because he's the one who posted it, you've done it before, you are all shallow individuals who can't set aside your petty behavior to examine a problem for what it is, a person who is being condemned to death without having committed a viable crime. Of course not all Muslims do this, but it happens more in Muslim countries than others these days, with a few exceptions. No it doesn't mean they're all evil or guilty, but it does mean that its an issue that bears examining and not ignoring, because when you ignore issues they sneak up on you and land in your space, then you wonder how it happened. This is true for extreme behavior of any sort, not just Muslims, but still. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:46 PM
Quote: “I accept the fact that the President’s a Christian... I’m talking about the belief that man should be in charge of the earth and should have dominion over it and should be good stewards of it."
Thursday, February 23, 2012 1:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: And Raptor, you ought to say you're sorry for upsetting Quicko, because I think he really is upset and not just acting it to be a snot.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: And Raptor, you ought to say you're sorry for upsetting Quicko, because I think he really is upset and not just acting it to be a snot. Is this all that humanity has to offer? "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:29 PM
Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:47 PM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: If we'd just leave them alone, we'd all get along famously! Quote: Those close to the case of a Christian pastor in Iran who's facing a death sentence for refusing to recant his faith now fear he could be killed any day now. The American Center for Law and Justice warned there is an "increased likelihood" that the execution order against Pastor Youcef Nadarkhani has been signed and could be carried out at any time. "The likelihood that the Iranian regime will execute him increases by the day," ACLJ Executive Director Jordan Sekulow said. He added that the situation is more "dire" than ever. Sign the online petition urging more pressure on Iran to release Pastor Youcef Nararkhani and to dismiss his death sentence. Meanwhile, several members of Congress have joined the fight to save Nadarkhani's life. http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2012/February/Resolution-Condemns-Iran-for-Pastors-Death-Sentence-/ Quote: A trial court in Iran has issued its final verdict, ordering a Christian pastor to be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources close to the pastor and his legal team. Supporters fear Youcef Nadarkhani, a 34-year-old father of two who was arrested over two years ago on charges of *apostasy, may now be executed at any time without prior warning, as death sentences in Iran may be carried out immediately or dragged out for years. It is unclear whether Nadarkhani can appeal the execution order. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/22/iran-court-convicts-christian-pastor-convert-to-death/ *Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ارتداد, irtidād or ridda) is commonly defined in Islam as the rejection in word or deed of one's former religion (apostasy) by a person who was previously a follower of Islam. But hey, if they want to take over the world, and fly the flag of Islam over the White House, " so what! ", right ? " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Hey, I'm all for a godless run govt, I really am. But when our dear leader has a god complex himself, and or his dutiful followers in the MSM all but CALL him god... I'm not real sure that's a hell of a lot different.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: You don't watch the MSM do you? I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 3:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: You don't watch the MSM do you? I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Yup, Rappy showing his Islamophobia again. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man. Is that what the wife and 2 young sons of the condemned man can call it too ? He deprived no one of their life, liberty or property. He committed no fraud or act of treason. And yet he's charged and may very well lose his life. Quote: What is your point? That religious nutjobs are barbaric? That people in other countries do bad things? This is news to nobody, so what are you trying to convey? --Anthony The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning. " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Friday, February 24, 2012 7:08 AM
CAVETROLL
Friday, February 24, 2012 7:43 AM
Friday, February 24, 2012 8:25 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: Santorum and other christian fundamentalists in the US may talk a hard line, but they're not bombing mosques or temples or abducting islamics and jews.
Friday, February 24, 2012 9:27 AM
Quote:so why exactly should I worry about a bunch of pissants thousands of miles away who are no IMMINENT threat when some other pack of pissants has already invaded and begun to distort our very law, our very society ?
Friday, February 24, 2012 11:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by pizmobeach: CaveTroll - your search turned up the same web site. Looking at their site it appears like they may not be the most objective source:
Friday, February 24, 2012 11:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: Quote:No armed person can be a victim unless they will it.
Quote:No armed person can be a victim unless they will it.
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