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Some unpleasant truthsabout adoption

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Saturday, March 3, 2012 1:39 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I wish I could say it was all in the past, but I fear it happens frequently with international adoptions.


Quote:


A Senate inquiry on Wednesday called for the Australian government to apologize and compensate thousands of unwed mothers who were forced to give up their babies for adoption in the mid-20th century.

Around 100 mothers who gave up babies and adults who had been adopted sat in the Senate public gallery, applauding and weeping as the report was presented.

Unwed mothers were pressured, deceived and threatened into giving up their babies from World War II until the early 1970s so they could be adopted by married couples, which was perceived to be in the children's best interests, the Senate committee report found.

"If it wasn't illegal, it was unethical," committee chairwoman Sen. Rachel Siewert said.

"The evidence ... tells the accounts of mothers and fathers who were pressured into giving up their babies by their families, by institutions — both state and territory and private institutions — by social workers, doctors, nurses and those who they rightly expected to have helped them," she said.

One of the mothers in attendance, Robin Turner, 61, only wanted public recognition of the injustice she suffered when her newborn son was taken from her at a Melbourne hospital in 1967.

"Acknowledgment. I want the Australian public to know what happened to us," she told The Associated Press.

Turner said she was 17 when her baby was taken without her consent while she was drugged. Weeks later, she was told he had died. They were reunited in 2008.

She has a copy of the adoption release form which she said is a fraud, with both her typed name and supposed signature misspelt "Robyn."

"No matter how many sleeping pills they gave me, I would never forget how to spell my own name," she said.

The seven-member Senate committee began investigating the federal government's role in forced adoption in 2010 after the Western Australian state parliament apologized to mothers and children for the flawed practices in that state from the 1940s until the 1980s.

Roman Catholic hospitals in Australia apologized in July for forcing unmarried mothers to give up babies for adoption and urged state governments to accept financial responsibility.

Catholic Health Australia, the largest nongovernment hospital operator in Australia and which provides 10 percent of the nation's hospital beds, said the practice of adopting out illegitimate children to married couples was "regrettably common" from the 1950s to the 1970s.

Adoption in Australia is mostly controlled by state laws, but the report found that the federal government had contributed to forced adoption by failing to provide unwed mothers with full welfare benefits to which a widow or deserted wife would have been entitled until 1973.

Australian adoptions peaked at almost 10,000 a year in 1972, before rapidly declining. The report found that decline could reflect the availability of welfare, the growing popularity of oral contraceptives and the legalization of abortion.

Among unwed mothers, adoption rates were as high as 60 percent in the late 1960s, the report said.

The committee could not estimate how many adoptions were forced but said they numbered in the thousands.

The committee recommended that the federal government make an apology that identifies the actions and policies that resulted in forced adoptions, and that state governments and nongovernment institutions that administered adoptions should issue formal statements of apology.

The report also recommended that the federal government initiate discussions with the states on compensating the separated mothers and children for the harm caused. Siewert said the committee had no advice on how much compensation should be paid.

The government had yet to respond by late Wednesday.




http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/call-australian-apology-
forced-adoptions-15814428#.T1Kpj3onKAg

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Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:25 PM

FREMDFIRMA



You know what's even worse ?

Despite the land down under finally owning up and considering it an old shame, over here in america the fuckin GOP trolls are TRYING to go here.

Wisconsin Senator wants to make Single parenting = child abuse.
http://ohellnawlblog.com/newohnblog/2012/03/02/wisconsin-senator-wants
-to-make-single-parenting-child-abuse
/

WI GOP wants to make single parents into child abusers
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/01/1070028/-WI-GOP-wants-to-make
-single-parents-into-child-abusers


Every day, the outrageous from that pack of vile sociopaths just get worse and worse...
Somebody get a rope.



-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, March 3, 2012 7:47 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

This isn't about adoption. It's about bad government and abusing women and children.

I don't know how, but I am continually shocked and dismayed by these sorts of things. You would think the novelty of this evil would wear off- but no, they keep finding new ways to get a rise out of me.

--Anthony



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Saturday, March 3, 2012 9:06 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Anthony, I think there are some interesting issues that need to be teased out about adoption, that this kind of touches on. Adoption is often touted as the better more moral alternative to abortion, but I think that all choices are fraught with difficulty - if they are indeed choices.

Adoption always has been about the weathy(ier) taking on the babies of the poorest and disenfranchised women in the world, sometimes vountarily, often in despair, sometimes with various forms of duress, sometimes outright stealing or coercian.

And if you do adopt, what relationship does the child have with the birth parents, do they have a right to know them and have them involved in their lives, do the parents have a right to anonimity and if so, what is the affect on the child.

CTS posted a poem about the loss experienced by a woman who has an abortion, but I think there is still unbearable grief about loosing a child to adoption as well.

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Saturday, March 3, 2012 9:08 PM

PIRATENEWS

John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!


What's up with all the ChiCom babies in USA? Robbed at gunpoint? Execution squads for organ harvesting from dissidents and church people?

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Saturday, March 3, 2012 9:24 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


?Que?

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Sunday, March 4, 2012 3:56 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

You know what's even worse ?

Despite the land down under finally owning up and considering it an old shame, over here in america the fuckin GOP trolls are TRYING to go here.

Wisconsin Senator wants to make Single parenting = child abuse.
http://ohellnawlblog.com/newohnblog/2012/03/02/wisconsin-senator-wants
-to-make-single-parenting-child-abuse
/



From the bill:

"In promoting those campaigns and materials, the board shall emphasize nonmarital parenthood as a contributing factor to child abuse and neglect."

Wanted to check this to prove the guy wrong. Unfortunately, the statement quoted appears to turn out to be true.

Quote:

Child Sexual Abuse More Likely in Single-Parent Homes

THURSDAY, March 15 (HealthDay News) -- Adult men who grew up in single-parent households are twice as likely as other men to have been sexually abused during childhood, a U.S. study found.

That's because parental absences in single-parent homes provide more opportunities for sexual predators to abuse children, the researchers said.

"Children being raised by one parent are at a greater risk for many things as they grow up, including health risks such as poorly controlled diabetes and asthma. We now must add childhood sexual abuse to part of this risk picture," study author Dr. William C. Holmes, an assistant professor of medicine and epidemiology at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine, said in a prepared statement.

His team published the findings in the March 13 issue of the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.

Even after adjusting for socioeconomic factors, the study found that children in single-parent families had a higher overall risk of being sexually abused than children with two parents. The risk was higher in one-parent homes with lower incomes than in one-parent homes with higher incomes.



http://www.doctorsofusc.com/condition/document/190480

and...

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The rate of child abuse in single parent households is 27.3 children per 1,000, which is nearly twice the rate of child abuse in two parent households (15.5 children per 1,000).
An analysis of child abuse cases in a nationally representative sample of 42 counties found that children from single parent families are more likely to be victims of physical and sexual abuse than children who live with both biological parents. Compared to their peers living with both parents, children in single parent homes had:
77 percent greater risk of being physically abused
87 percent greater risk of being harmed by physical neglect
165 percent greater risk of experiencing notable physical neglect
74 percent greater risk of suffering from emotional neglect
80 percent greater risk of suffering serious injury as a result of abuse
120 percent greater risk of experiencing some type of maltreatment overall.
A national survey of nearly 1,000 parents found that 7.4 percent of children who lived with one parent had been sexually abused, compared to only 4.2 percent of children who lived with both biological parents.
Using data from 1,000 students tracked from seventh or eighth grade in 1988 through high school in 1992, researchers determined that only 3.2 percent of the boys and girls who were raised with both biological parents had a history of maltreatment. However, a full 18.6 percent of those in other family situations had been maltreated.
A study of 156 victims of child sexual abuse found that the majority of the children came from disrupted or single-parent homes; only 31 percent of the children lived with both biological parents. Although stepfamilies make up only about 10 percent of all families, 27 percent of the abused children in this study lived with either a stepfather or the mother's boyfriend.49



http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/foundation/foundatione.cf
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"Keep the Shiny side up"

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Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:28 AM

CANTTAKESKY


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Wanted to check this to prove the guy wrong. Unfortunately, the statement quoted appears to turn out to be true.

Not really.

What the study you posted found was a correlation. What the legislator wants to do is turn the correlation into causation.



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So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
is all the sad world needs.
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Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:40 AM

BYTEMITE


Yes, the problem isn't that single parenting is child neglect, the problem is that most single parents are going to be poor, which invites a whole host of other issues.

Such as a community that's also from poor backgrounds, and more vulnerability to abusive boyfriends, drug use, and etc. which would make child abuse and molestation more common.

Single parents can obviously still be good parents, and punishing them for that is really actually about punishing them for something ELSE (in the eyes of the people proposing the bill, promiscuity). It also will obviously make life much harder for children to be taken away from their biological parent, as while single parenting can increase the incidence of child abuse, the incidence REALLY shoots up in foster care.

There would also be unforeseen consequences with this, such as punishing a single parent who lost their spouse as the result of health issues or accident.

I'm assuming all people who hate the idea of a nanny state will hate the idea of the state taking children away for something that hadn't happened, and submitting children to state abuses and re-education.

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Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:22 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


If thereare corrilations then why don't we help parents who happen to be single minimize these risks through education and options to help them be the best parents possible so they can raise happy healthy normal kids.

This is one of those situations in which if we lived more communally we wouldn't have so much trouble, if Grandpa lives right next door and helps with the kids a lot, takes care of them during the day, looks after them after school, is a positive male figure in their lives, then things would be less likely to go wrong statistically. Stuff like that.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Monday, March 5, 2012 4:38 AM

BYTEMITE


True, to a degree, though sometimes even a multi-generational approach to child care is insufficient to overcome the disadvantages of a bad neighborhood and no money.

I think the key is to try to ensure a local economy exists through vocational training, so even if that economy is relatively poor people still see some value in participating in that economy. Unlike some bad neighborhoods, were there are no legitimate jobs and everyone has to resort to crime.

Of course, to have a local economy you'd have to have local businesses. Because employers who aren't part of impoverished and disadvantaged communities are often known to discriminate against members of that community.

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Monday, March 5, 2012 6:02 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Good point about the economy/good jobs in the area Byte.

I know that Ireland had a similar problem to Australia back in the 40s through 60s, so it wasn't just Australia. I imagine that some of that happened in the US at least, I don't hear about it though, maybe we didn't do it as much? Or maybe when we did do it it was more through persuasion than sneak tactics?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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