Santorum's unbelievable statements, omission, hypocrisy, flip-flops and lies about college by Niki2

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Wow PN, which college are you going to?

The one run by the invisible men standing in the corner of his padded cell.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

I was thinking it must be BSU... ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:08 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE

Nah he clearly went to PCU, home of the Portchester Whooping Crane

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Thursday, March 1, 2012 11:59 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

I just think its cool if PN is going back to school, he's mentioned it a couple of times and I think that's cool.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Friday, March 2, 2012 4:02 AM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by kpo:

So I would like to challenge you to a Libertarian duel. Let's both take an online political-compass type test, and aim for 100% Libertarian - and whoever gets closest understands Libertarianism best. Deal?

The fact that you think 'aiming for 100% Libertarianism ' is some how a test on how I personally feel govt should work seems flawed. I openly state that I'm not a purist, and don't fully agree on everything libertarian, all the time, with out fail.

My view of libertarianism comes from how my country's founders viewed govt. That it is a necessary evil. If my personal views don't line up with what you think a libertarian means, then what's that prove ? That I really don't know what I believe in ? Or that maybe you're being narrow minded, and trying to fit others opinions into a box, to be defined by your strict interpretations?

It really comes down to a basic principle. " We should be able to do anything we like, as long as it does not hinder the rights and freedoms of another, through force or fraud. "

Let's take prostitution , for example. I think it should be legal, anywhere. A person has a right of control over their own body, and who the hell is the state to say otherwise ? As long as no one is being lied to, coerced, or denied their rights, through force of fraud, and all parties are capable of consent, then I don't see a problem.

But what then of abortion ? Clearly, it's a woman's body, and she can do with it as she pleases,no? I 'get' the argument, but it's my view that a 'person' and their rights as an individual, start well before birth. How far ? That's debatable. And I'd rather not get down into the particulars of the abortion issue HERE, just to state that , even libertarians have different views on a topic, and having one or t'other doesn't make them " less " a libertarian.

This is why I opted out of your little duel, as it would serve no real purpose. What YOU think of as a libertarian and how I view it may differ somewhat. There is no one true libertarian ideal, so the idea of anyone scoring '100%' Libertarian is fanciful.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 4:27 AM

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There is no one true libertarian ideal, so the idea of anyone scoring '100%' Libertarian is fanciful.

Sure, Libertarianism may not be pinned down so easily. But if we take a selection of tests (and you can choose them) and I beat your Libertarian score in all of them, that blows out of the water your idea that I don't understand Libertarianism as well as you, no? That's all I'm trying to test.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 4:50 AM

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How can you 'beat' my score ? The test is extremely subjective. ( this one http://www.politicalcompass.org/test, for example, asks to agree or disagree , that the businessman is more important than the artist )

These tests are about what you personally believe, what YOUR views as to the role of govt has in our lives. They're not a quiz on the level of knowledge you have on any particular political concepts.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=4.00&soc=-2
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And the advocates test -

According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is...

Libertarians

Support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 4:58 AM

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These tests are about what you personally believe, what YOUR views

NO. Answer the test as you think a pure libertarian would. And I'll answer the test as I think a pure libertarian would. Whoever gets the highest Libertarian score understands Libertarianism better. It's not that hard.

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The test is extremely subjective

Find a test that's less subjective then. Choose any test that you like.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 5:14 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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These tests are about what you personally believe, what YOUR views

NO. Answer the test as you think a pure libertarian would. And I'll answer the test as I think a pure libertarian would. Whoever gets the highest Libertarian score understands Libertarianism better. It's not that hard.

How hard it may be, isn't the issue. You're taking the tests under false pretense. That's not what they were designed for. And there is no 'highest' score.

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The test is extremely subjective

Find a test that's less subjective then. Choose any test that you like.

Again, you're barking up the wrong tree here. I previously stated that I have taken these tests several times, and the results all fall generally on the same spot of the scale. 'Libertarian'. That's how I test out. If YOU truthfully test out in a similar fashion, then fine. What's the issue ? If not, so what ? You're not a libertarian. What's that suppose to mean to me ?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 5:28 AM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Ok last try. A simple question:

If I get a higher Libertarian score than you in a test (or several) where we're both trying to score as highly libertarian as we can - you don't think that means anything? It doesn't suggest that I might understand Libertarianism as well as, or better than you?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 5:34 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Ok last try. A simple question:

If I get a higher Libertarian score than you in a test (or several) where we're both trying to score as highly libertarian as we can - you don't think that means anything? It doesn't suggest that I might understand Libertarianism as well as, or better than you?

No. ( You asked 2 questions, actually )

Now, my simple question to YOU.

What's YOUR honest political affiliation ?

Edit: Looking back in this thread, where you 1st commented on the whole 'duel' idea, you said this...

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(sometimes it seems to me you are far from Libertarian, without realising it)

I said my views were libertarian. I said I'd taken online political tests, prior to you asking me to. I scored 'Libertarian'. Since this thread, I've taken not 1 but 2 tests, from links YOU provided. Scored 'Libertarian' on both. I have nothing to 'prove' to anyone. I am as I said I was. And, according to your all important tests, even though you THINK I am "far from Libertarian, with out realizing it ", I clearly test out to be exactly that.

Your so called 'understanding' of what makes one a Libertarian then , by your own admission, must be wrong.

I "win".

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 8:15 AM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Ok Rap well I give up trying to make you understand.

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What's YOUR honest political affiliation ?

I'm a liberal.

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Your so called 'understanding' of what makes one a Libertarian then , by your own admission, must be wrong.

I "win".

Haha, if you're so confident why did you refuse the duel?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Ok Rap well I give up trying to make you understand.

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What's YOUR honest political affiliation ?

I'm a liberal.

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Your so called 'understanding' of what makes one a Libertarian then , by your own admission, must be wrong.

I "win".

Haha, if you're so confident why did you refuse the duel?

It's not personal. It's just war.

It was over before it began.

Q: where have I been, in your view, less than a libertarian in my comments?

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, March 2, 2012 12:51 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

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Originally posted by BlueHandedMenace:
Im really not sure which is worse....Santorum's comment about college, or the fact that the room erupted in cheers when he said it...

Ive always known that the republican party, at its leadership, is anti-education. They have demonstrated that time again, stupid voters are their bread and butter.

Why would poor people from Michigan be anti-education? What path is more likely than an education to help them and their families?

I really wanna know the secret...how do the republicans get people to vote against their own self interest again and again and again?

Actually as I think about it, the answer to that question might be....dont let people get educated! Ah, it all makes sense to me now.

Current conservative rhertoric, not just in the US, is anti intellectual. It derides academics, research and evidence based discussion. It promotes and applauds folksy truism and sound bites. It uses fear and populist issues - ie comparing democrat policy to nazism or stalinism to influence an electorate used to be swayed by similar advertising tactics.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 12:58 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Amazing, isn't it, Magons and Blue? Magons, I'm sad to hear it's happening elsewhere (especialy Down Under, as I've harbored such a positive opinion of you guys...which I'm quickly learning was false). But yes, both of you pretty well nailed it.

I think it's a form of hating what others have that you don't, so finding a way to diminish it. Used to be, every American struggled so their kids COULD go to college; the politics of today is to sneer at the "elites" and put them down. It doesn't make rational sense, but then when did politics ever?

How they get them to vote against their own interests is canny--check out my thread on the conservatives' long-term strategy and you'll get a few clues.

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Friday, March 2, 2012 5:07 PM

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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Current conservative rhertoric, not just in the US, is anti intellectual. It derides academics, research and evidence based discussion.

" Let’s just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers, though one denies the past and the other denies the present and future."

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It promotes and applauds folksy truism and sound bites.

You mean like 'GOT HOPE?' and ' YES WE CAN!' ?

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It uses fear and populist issues - ie comparing democrat policy to nazism or stalinism to influence an electorate used to be swayed by similar advertising tactics.

Oh, and Democrats NEVER do that, huh? NEVER call Republicans war mongers, racists, homophobes, xenophobes, or misogynists.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, March 5, 2012 9:54 AM

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Q: where have I been, in your view, less than a libertarian in my comments?

Here: http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=50334&p=1

Talking about a welfare single mother:

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Here's a novel idea. Take care of your own.

Can't do that? Then they no longer will be YOURS. We make sure the ones who are here, the children who didn't ask to be put in this position, are taken from you, and put where they can grow and learn and eventually do for themselves, and the mother ? In a word... 'fixed'. No more 'presents from god', you've been 'blessed' enough.

Advocating forced sterilisation seems pretty un-Libertarian to me (boy, I would have killed you in that test!). You're more Libertarian than me on most things as you have some Libertarian instincts, but then occasionally you pop up with something spookily authoritarian like this.

And we're all still waiting for you to formulate your 'Muslim solution'.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Monday, March 5, 2012 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:

You're more Libertarian than me on most things

Yeah, I know. That fact has been established, long ago.

But thanks for playing.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Monday, March 5, 2012 10:20 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by kpo:
Ok last try. A simple question:

If I get a higher Libertarian score than you in a test (or several) where we're both trying to score as highly libertarian as we can - you don't think that means anything? It doesn't suggest that I might understand Libertarianism as well as, or better than you?

It's not personal. It's just war.

Its Rappy - of course actual evidence is irrelevant. Only what he believes matters.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, March 5, 2012 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Only what he believes matters.

In this matter, it is! Because what kpo is asking for and what I'm talking about are two entirely separate things.

From the very start, or nearly so, I flatly stated that I was NOT a "purist" when it came to matters of Libertarianism. So, with that in mind, and with me having stated ( and then shown ) that I actually DO test out as a Libertarian, where as kpo doesn't, what in the HELL is the point of the 'duel' ?

There IS no point. Which is why I opted OUT of the silly duel, as it wasn't any sort of a contest at all.

And Storybook ?

The " actual evidence " was already presented. In MY stating that I was a Libertarian, in the fact that I test out as a Libertarian, as those truly ARE my views, and that kpo flatly states he's NOT a Libertarian, and that he DESPISES Libertarians.

It really can't get more clear than that.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 4:58 AM

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kpo flatly states he's NOT a Libertarian, and that he DESPISES Libertarians.

Not libertarians, Libertarianism - the ideology.

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So, with that in mind, and with me having stated ( and then shown ) that I actually DO test out as a Libertarian, where as kpo doesn't, what in the HELL is the point of the 'duel' ?

Nothing to do with BEING a libertarian, as I've already explained a dozen times. Everything to do with UNDERSTANDING Libertarianism, the philosophy and ideology. Can your mind really not separate the idea of being a Libertarian, from the idea of understanding the philosophy?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:

Nothing to do with BEING a libertarian, as I've already explained a dozen times. Everything to do with UNDERSTANDING Libertarianism, the philosophy and ideology. Can your mind really not separate the idea of being a Libertarian, from the idea of understanding the philosophy?

It's not personal. It's just war.

No, I really can't. Because if I'm a Libertarain, I DO understand the philosophy. They DO go hand in hand. How are YOU not seeing that ?

And finally, going by the test YOU offered up, there are no TRUE libertarians. They come in different stripes, across a spectrum of varying degrees. Per the example you cited of me not being 'libertarian' enough, the case of sterilizing those who have kids they can't take care of vs having the state continuously pay for the care and education of as many kids as their incapable parents want to have... IS there a libertarian answer ?

Either way, someone's rights are being violated. Via the intrusive, authoritarian act of sterilizing, or in having to take from many, at the point of a gun through taxation, the $ needed to raise these kids, because the parent(s) refuse to do so, it's not a clear cut choice. A valid libertarian case could be made for or against either course of action.

IDK, maybe there's a difference in how Europeans view LIbertarianism vs how it's seen over here in the US. I mean, we did have some little shooting war over a difference of opinion in how we should be governed.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 2:44 PM

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And finally, going by the test YOU offered up, there are no TRUE libertarians. They come in different stripes, across a spectrum of varying degrees. Per the example you cited of me not being 'libertarian' enough, the case of sterilizing those who have kids they can't take care of vs having the state continuously pay for the care and education of as many kids as their incapable parents want to have... IS there a libertarian answer ?

Yours was to sterilize the woman and take away her kids.

"Can't do that? Then they no longer will be YOURS. We make sure the ones who are here, the children who didn't ask to be put in this position, are taken from you, and put where they can grow and learn and eventually do for themselves, and the mother ? In a word... 'fixed'. No more 'presents from god', you've been 'blessed' enough."

So is that NOT the libertarian answer?

Guess you're not much of a libertarian after all, then.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 2:58 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Guess you're not much of a libertarian after all, then.

Says the one who probably has the least clue of what a Libertarian is.

Crassic.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, March 6, 2012 4:09 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Guess you're not much of a libertarian after all, then.

Says the one who probably has the least clue of what a Libertarian is.

Wanna bet? You're the only one around here who steadfastly refuses to put your knowledge of your so-called beliefs to the test. One might get the idea that you really don't have any idea what it is you profess to believe in; you've just been shown the brochures, and thought they were pretty pictures, but haven't bothered to read the manual.

You pretend there are only two real choices in the woman's situation that you posted about before: take the kids away, or sterilize her (or both, as you suggested). And you completely miss the obvious, REAL libertarian choice: Let her have all the kids she wants to have, and either let her take care of them on her own, or let them die. That's libertarianism in a nutshell: Do what you want, and reap the consequences.

Your philosophy is more akin to authoritarianism: taking the kids away, and forced sterilization of the mother.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Wednesday, March 7, 2012 2:22 AM

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Wanna bet? You're the only one around here who steadfastly refuses to put your knowledge of your so-called beliefs to the test

Wrong. I already posted 2 results from KPO's tests.

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You pretend there are only two real choices in the woman's situation that you posted about before: take the kids away, or sterilize her (or both, as you suggested).

Wrong again, genius. I offered 2 opposing solutions which both could be viewed as 'libertarian' in their nature, yet were drastically different. I did it to prove a point, which clearly sailed well over your head.

The option YOU offer, where she gets to keep her kids, is all well and good too. Though some would say that, because she's putting the lives of her children in danger, by not caring for them, she's depriving them of THEIR rights. Taking them away is one option, or, and here's a real crazy idea for ya, letting her keep those kids, but having a private group, family members, friends, aid in giving them assistance. Completely unattached to any govt money.

But at what point does neglect cross over to full blown abuse ? Do you still allow a parent(s) to keep their children if they're being beaten? Starved? Sexually molested ? Libertarians aren't completely oblivious to the rule of law, having everyone left to fend for themselves, as though they are utterly alone in the wilderness. But this may be YOUR misunderstanding of what IS a libertarian.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, March 7, 2012 8:32 AM

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Because if I'm a Libertarian, I DO understand the philosophy. They DO go hand in hand.

Wow, your thinking is so simplistic. So to understand the philosophy you have to BE a libertarian? Condoleezza Rice was a professor of Soviet studies, so I guess she's a communist?

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And finally, going by the test YOU offered up, there are no TRUE libertarians. They come in different stripes, across a spectrum of varying degrees.

You don't know what you're talking about. It's perfectly possible to score 100% Libertarian on that test - Geezer apparently did, and Anthony and Kwicko came very close (Kwicko actually tested much more libertarian than you btw).

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the case of sterilizing those who have kids they can't take care of vs having the state continuously pay for the care and education of as many kids as their incapable parents want to have... IS there a libertarian answer ?

There's a more libertarian answer than forced sterilisation!!

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2012 10:10 AM

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Yes. Condi is a communist. So is Laura Ingraham. She actually STUDIED over in Soviet Russia. They're both commies.

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So to understand the philosophy you have to BE a libertarian?

I didn't say HAVE to, did I ? Nope.

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You don't know what you're talking about. It's perfectly possible to score 100% Libertarian on that test - Geezer apparently did, and Anthony and Kwicko came very close (Kwicko actually tested much more libertarian than you btw).

In one test, I scored 80%. That landed me as a solid libertarian, right smack in the middle of the libertarian section.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 80%
According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is... LIBERTARIAN.

Those tests are subjective. At least I scored myself honestly, and wasn't trying to 'beat the system', as if it was some test of what I SHOULD answer. You're completely misapplying the test as it was intended.

You want to test as to the history or origins of libertarian thought? Fine. Have at it. That's a different issue entirely.

But I'm a Libertarian. End of discussion.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, March 7, 2012 11:49 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

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"Can't do that? Then they no longer will be YOURS. We make sure the ones who are here, the children who didn't ask to be put in this position, are taken from you, and put where they can grow and learn and eventually do for themselves, and the mother ? In a word... 'fixed'. No more 'presents from god', you've been 'blessed' enough."

So is that NOT the libertarian answer?

Hello Mike,

Obviously this is the least Libertarian and most Authoritarian stance a person can possibly take. Which goes to show you that the contents of the package may not always be reflected by the labeling.

--Anthony

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Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2012 12:09 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:In one test, I scored 80%. That landed me as a solid libertarian, right smack in the middle of the libertarian section.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 80%
According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is... LIBERTARIAN.

Those tests are subjective. At least I scored myself honestly, and wasn't trying to 'beat the system', as if it was some test of what I SHOULD answer. You're completely misapplying the test as it was intended.

You want to test as to the history or origins of libertarian thought? Fine. Have at it. That's a different issue entirely.

But I'm a Libertarian. End of discussion.

Wow, you took a very short test on a libertarian website and scored as a libertarian.

The funny part is according to the Political Compass quiz, which works to be unbiased, I score more libertarian then you did.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:05 PM

FREMDFIRMA

You sir, are not a Libertarian.
You, are a Randroid.

And that's a different thing entire.

-F

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Wednesday, March 7, 2012 1:31 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Wow, you took a very short test on a libertarian website and scored as a libertarian.

Actually, I took 2 tests. Both put me solidly in the Libertarian camp.

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The funny part is according to the Political Compass quiz, which works to be unbiased, I score more libertarian then you did.

Cool. Let's see your score.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, March 7, 2012 2:04 PM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:In one test, I scored 80%. That landed me as a solid libertarian, right smack in the middle of the libertarian section.

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 80%
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 80%
According to your answers, the political group that agrees with you most is... LIBERTARIAN.

Those tests are subjective. At least I scored myself honestly, and wasn't trying to 'beat the system', as if it was some test of what I SHOULD answer. You're completely misapplying the test as it was intended.

You want to test as to the history or origins of libertarian thought? Fine. Have at it. That's a different issue entirely.

But I'm a Libertarian. End of discussion.

Wow, you took a very short test on a libertarian website and scored as a libertarian.

The funny part is according to the Political Compass quiz, which works to be unbiased, I score more libertarian then you did.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

So I guess he finally caved to pressure and took the test? Good for him. And, as KPO predicted, Rappy didn't turn out to be quite as "sc" as he'd like us to believe he is. Hell, I scored more libertarian than he did, and he calls me a leftist-commie-socialist-terrorist!

Oh, and BTW - I thought Condi and Ingraham were more Stalinists than communists. That's probably why Rappy admires them so much, because of that strong authoritarian streak he always displays.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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