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Doonesbury goes after abortion laws

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Monday, March 12, 2012 3:38 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Doonesbury cartoonist Garry Trudeau is under fire from conservatives again, this time because he is running a cartoon that some newspaper already plan not to run because it compares ultrasound to rape.

The cartoon — a response to new pro-life laws in Texas and Virginia allowing women to see the results of the pre-abortion ultrasound that abortion centers routinely perform but don’t always show women — attacks Republican lawmakers for putting the laws in place.



The Doonesbury cartoon depicts a woman at an abortion center in Texas who is told to take a seat in the “shaming room.” A state legislator asks her if she has been to the abortion clinic before and when she says she has to pick up contraception, the legislator replies, “Do your parents know you’re a slut?”

Later in the strip, the woman says she doesn’t want a vaginal ultrasound but an abortion center nurse tells her, “The male Republicans who run Texas require that all abortion seekers be examined with a 10-inch shaming wand. By the authority invested in me by the GOP base, I thee rape.”

The strip, published on Monday and scheduled to run this week has been rejected by several papers already, including the Portland Oregonian. Others have said they will move the cartoon out of the cartoon section of the newspaper and on to the editorial page since it is so political in nature. About 1,400 newspapers run the cartoon.

The Kansas City Star is among the papers not running the cartoon, instead running a substitute Doonesbury strip, and its editor told AP about the decision, “We felt the content was too much for many of the readers of our family-friendly comic page.

Responding to the criticism and the decisions by the papers, Trudeau described it as “appalling” and “insane” that Republicans would allow women to see their baby on the ultrasound screen before an abortion.

“Ninety-nine percent of American women have or will use contraception during their lifetimes. To see these healthcare rights systematically undermined in state after state by the party of ‘limited government’ is appalling. “In Texas, the sonograms are the least of it. The legislature has also defunded women’s health clinics all over the state, leaving 300,000 women without the contraceptive services that prevent abortions in the first place. Insanity,” he said.

“I write the strip to be read, not removed. And as a practical matter, many more people will see it in the comics page than on the editorial page,” he said. “I don’t mean to be disingenuous. Obviously there’s some profit to controversy, especially for a satirist. If debate is swirling around a particular strip, and if its absence creates blowback, then I’m contributing to the public conversation in a more powerful way. But I don’t get up in the morning and scheme about how to antagonize editors. Some of these folks have supported me for decades.”

Trudeau also defended the use of the term rape, saying he thought it was an accurate way of describing a vaginal ultrasound.

“That falls within the legal definition of rape. Coercion need not be physically violent to meet the threshold. Many people here are now referring to trans-vaginal sonograms as ‘state rape’. That seems about right to me,” he wrote. “However, if you just mean the topic of rape generally, it’s not something I would avoid simply because I work on a page where children can occasionally be found. People know what to expect in Doonesbury. Certainly children do, which is why they never read it. And editors have long known what they’re getting; I first wrote about rape in the late ’70s, devoting an entire week to a mock rape trial.”

Catherine Frazier, a spokesman for Governor Rick Perry of Texas, who signed the law, told the Guardian: “The decision to end a life is not funny. There is nothing comic about this tasteless interpretation of legislation we have passed in Texas to ensure that women have all the facts when making a life-ending decision.” http://www.lifenews.com/2012/03/12/pro-abortion-doonesbury-cartoon-cal
ls-ultrasound-rape/

Wow. GO GARY!!! I can't wait for the next installment!

Been a Doonesbury afficianado for decades, unfortunately we don't get a newspaper anymore so I'd forgotten about him. Have to find his site and bookmark it; he never failed to make me laugh about the absurdities of this country (and others!) in the past...

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Monday, March 12, 2012 5:04 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


He calls it rape because that's what it is. Forcing someone to have something forced into their vagina *IS* rape, no matter how many times the GOP tries to redefine and minimize the word.



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Monday, March 12, 2012 6:06 PM

RIONAEIRE

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I agree, required vaginal ultrasounds are not acceptable.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Today's strip:

http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/39ebf9804ad0012f2fd100163e41dd5b

Hee, hee, hee; I'm enjoying this...never thought of following Doonesbury on line (I STILL don't think in terms of the internet, dammit. Old brain I guess...). I have a lot of his small books from days gone by, always enjoyed re-reading them. But this, this is great...lots of publicity and done his excellent Stewart/Colbert style. Isn't it sad when the only ones to tell it like it is are the "jesters"? Shows you how far we've come. In the wrong direction.

Go Gary!

What blows MY mind is that Texas has HAD this law on the books for quite some time...how come we never heard about it before?? Someone should go after them. What the Republicans have done to this country since they got state power in 2010 is downright criminal!



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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


It's not rape, and it is not forced...it is wrong however.

It should also be noted that ultrasounds have been a required by abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood for sometime now, including trans-vaginal if needed. Knowing fetal gestational age is important as that dictates which abortion methods are available.


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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:40 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
It's not rape, and it is not forced...it is wrong however.

It should also be noted that ultrasounds have been a required by abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood for sometime now, including trans-vaginal if needed. Knowing fetal gestational age is important as that dictates which abortion methods are available.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Don't know about Texas, but the procedure used for trans-vaginal ultrasound that would be forced by statute on women seeking an abortion sure seems a lot like a violation of the Code of Virginia (which may be why the Governor here backed down on it).

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§ 18.2-67.2. Object sexual penetration; penalty.

A. An accused shall be guilty of inanimate or animate object sexual penetration if he or she penetrates the labia majora or anus of a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, other than for a bona fide medical purpose, or causes such complaining witness to so penetrate his or her own body with an object or causes a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, to engage in such acts with any other person or to penetrate, or to be penetrated by, an animal, and

1. The complaining witness is less than 13 years of age, or

2. The act is accomplished against the will of the complaining witness, by force, threat or intimidation of or against the complaining witness or another person, or through the use of the complaining witness's mental incapacity or physical helplessness.



http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-67.2



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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:47 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Interesting. I think they would immediately argue that they have an "out" tho', in "other than for a bona fide medical purpose", wouldn't they? I imagine they would claim that the bona fide medical purpose is "informing" the patient, tho' from all the other shit they've put in palce, it obviously is not.

As to ultrasounds having been used, I think this is quite different. For one thing, it leaves nothing up to doctor or patient, it's REQUIRED. For another, just like the Texas law, it's purpose is not medical. It's intimidation.



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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:54 AM

GEEZER

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Interesting. I think they would immediately argue that they have an "out" tho', in "other than for a bona fide medical purpose", wouldn't they? I imagine they would claim that the bona fide medical purpose is "informing" the patient, tho' from all the other shit they've put in palce, it obviously is not.

As to ultrasounds having been used, I think this is quite different. For one thing, it leaves nothing up to doctor or patient, it's REQUIRED. For another, just like the Texas law, it's purpose is not medical. It's intimidation.




And after looking in the Texas Penal Code, appears they don't have any laws against 'object penetration'.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/PE/htm/PE.21.htm

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:59 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
It's not rape, and it is not forced...it is wrong however.

It should also be noted that ultrasounds have been a required by abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood for sometime now, including trans-vaginal if needed. Knowing fetal gestational age is important as that dictates which abortion methods are available.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Don't know about Texas, but the procedure used for trans-vaginal ultrasound that would be forced by statute on women seeking an abortion sure seems a lot like a violation of the Code of Virginia (which may be why the Governor here backed down on it).

Quote:

§ 18.2-67.2. Object sexual penetration; penalty.

A. An accused shall be guilty of inanimate or animate object sexual penetration if he or she penetrates the labia majora or anus of a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, other than for a bona fide medical purpose, or causes such complaining witness to so penetrate his or her own body with an object or causes a complaining witness, whether or not his or her spouse, to engage in such acts with any other person or to penetrate, or to be penetrated by, an animal, and

1. The complaining witness is less than 13 years of age, or

2. The act is accomplished against the will of the complaining witness, by force, threat or intimidation of or against the complaining witness or another person, or through the use of the complaining witness's mental incapacity or physical helplessness.



http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-67.2



Trans-vaginal ultrasounds are medical procedures, and they are being done for a purpose, to measure gestational fetal age. No where in the laws (Texas or Virginia) did it ever state that a trans-vaginal ultrasound be used. The thing is to measure fetal age before 8 weeks trans-vaginal ultrasounds are often needed.

No only that but the procedure has to be consented to. It also does not meet the definition of coercion because it is not being done with threat of violence or any type of blackmail.

All that being said, the government has no business getting between a person and their doctor.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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