Home schooling...? by Niki2

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Home schooling...?

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Thursday, March 15, 2012 05:02
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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:27 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum hit back against Bill Maher Monday night after the liberal talk show host criticized Santorum for home-schooling his children, calling his home a "Christian madrassa."

Responding to his comments, Santorum, a devout Catholic, said on Fox News that "folks on the left" are out there "trashing anybody who stands up for Christian conservative values, anybody who dares to actually teach their children faith in their home." http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

That's funny, I thought "home schooling" was about EDUCATION, not about faith. And I didn't know home schooling was supposed to have anything to do with conservative values... Hmmm, did I miss something? (rhetorical question)

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:23 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Beats me - although I will say that thanks in great part to school reforms which have very slowly put a check against forced-religion and religious bullying, a lot of the nastiest religious folk have started homeschooling cause they don't want their offspring to develop ideas or personalities of their own, or perhaps mention the apalling level of physical and emotional abuse a lot of them suffer to people who might be mandated to report it.

This brings up a tetchy issue with me though since due to some really outrageous abuses of it I am not whatever in favor of social services poking into the lives and business of people who homeschool, and yet how else would one detect abuses - plus the privacy issue, and the only thing I can think of is a homeschooling board being added to the educational system...
Which done right could be a benefit since it would allow access to public education resources and credentialing (right now it's REAL hard to get a diploma or GED since the tests are rigged to favor public education rather than a broader spectrum education) and if the personnel are mandated reporters *AND* properly overseen to prevent abusive conduct/errant reporting over personal crap, might serve the purpose.

I sure as HELL don't trust Social Services to do it, although that's more poor training and oversight leading to enormous abuses that no one does anything about resulting in a culture of corruption that's gonna take a holy heck of a lot of fixing - I still want Mia Wenks head on a plate, metaphorically, for what she pulled with Maryanne Godboldo.
Note: To date she's not been disciplined in any way for that, despite her actions comprising multiple felony crimes, blatant and with malice aforethought.
(PPS - Would YOU want THAT lady in charge of YOUR case ? mind she's still working the job...)

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:36 AM

OONJERAH

Query: Home schooled children are tested once a year (oftener?) to see if their knowledge
is up to their grade level. Are they not?

My daughter tried home schooling hers for one year. Then let 'em go back to school. Her
reasons were the ones mentioned above + there were transportation issues.

Two problems teaching her own were: she never liked school, and probably didn't understand
all the material she was supposed to teach.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:27 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

In an ideal word, all children should not start formal education until about 7. And then for the first few years of schooling they should have play based learning. I think if schools were less like military drilling grounds, as they sound like they are in the US, then some people would not feel the need for homeschooling.

While I understand that some kids cannot manage the formal system, or some parent choose to take their kids out for a period of time for whatever reason, I think that kids who are never allowed into a formal education system are really being set along a very narrow path by their parents, particularly of their parents are not well educated themselves.

Where is CTS to weigh in on this one. She usually has a lot to say about homeschooling.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:53 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

If people want to home school their kids and the kids are able to pass the tests etc. that show they are progressing along with their age peers then it should be their right to do that.

That being said I personally am opposed to home schooling UNLESS it is done through a home school co-op situation. In a home school co-op several families get together and teach their kids together, so the kids get the social interaction and socialization that is necessary during childhood. If someone wants to home school that way then I'm A okay with it. But if they don't do that and just teach the kids alone with no other kids then I'm pretty anti. But just because I don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed. Home school co-ops all the way!

My favorite thing tends to be public school, but private school and home school co-ops are fine with me too. Its just that the primary point of school, in my opinion, is the social piece of it, learning to interact with one's peers and make friends, mannage said friendships, learn how to get along with people who are different from you, learn how to handle disagreements etc. If school were only about learning academic stuff then it wouldn't matter if they did it at home as much. But the social part is _super important in my opinion. Because the older you get the harder it is to master those skills.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:54 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Well, the Sudbury model still seems the most useful and effective compromise between all of these things.

Worth noting that the rigid-format charter school down the road here has completely failed and had their charter revoked, while the two Sudbury model schools now have a waiting list.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:28 PM

OONJERAH

Riona: "Its just that the primary point of school, in my opinion, is the social piece of it,
learning to interact with one's peers and make friends, mannage said friendships, learn how
to get along with people who are different from you, learn how to handle disagreements etc.
If school were only about learning academic stuff then it wouldn't matter if they did it at
home as much. But the social part is super important in my opinion. Because the older you
get the harder it is to master those skills."

Hmmmmm ...
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I think I got straight D's & F's in that course.

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:46 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht

Frem, I think the more choices parents and kids have the better, so its good to have some of everything including Sudbury.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:10 PM

WISHIMAY

Quote:
Originally posted by Niki2:
That's funny, I thought "home schooling" was about EDUCATION, not about faith. And I didn't know home schooling was supposed to have anything to do with conservative values... Hmmm, did I miss something?

Yep, this....Apparently, regular school is all about brainwashing, too... They're lucky I wasn't there...They'd have been removed on stretchers...

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/rock-group-8220-junkyard-prophet-8221
-delivers-controversial-202200759.html

Dogfuckers...
There, I squeezed it in...

Oh, and by the way, I got a permission slip last month that touted things like a "learning environment" and a "one on one chance to be mentored by local college level groups" and the wording was soooo very pretty...but didn't even mention where they were going or what they were doing...so I went in and asked......

They went to a college basketball game. Where they learned nothing...not that they have to be learning all the time, but WHAT A JOKE...

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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:10 AM

WISHIMAY

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2114286/Parents-left-dark-drug
s-police-strip-search-boys-village-school.html

Here's another gem. Amazed at all the comments from people who think it's ok to strip search a bunch of kids, when it was NOT necessary. But I'm sure this was done with the intent to embarass and intimidate as a side effect.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:16 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Yeah, I feel ya - stuff like that was, and continues to be, something of a berserk button for me...

We had a similar presentation at one school I attended, and despite the endless cycle of being pitched out of one school after another it was fairly well known that I had the technical expertise, the gift, if you will, to keep the overhead and reel projectors working, along with a lot of other school equipment that otherwise had little chance of maintanence and repair, you see.
(This later included the Tandy MkI computers, as I had a severely modified/upgraded Tandy CoCo II/III of my own and knew both the hardware and Tandy-Basic quite well)

Many a time I managed to parlay that skill into getting off lightly for whatever act of petty defiance of the lords and masters I had engaged in recently, but that particular presentation so offended me that the NEXT time they ran it on the reel projector they got a pretty big surprise.

Seems someone had replaced the contents of the case with seriously graphic porn, oh dear, oh my.
WHY everyone looked right at me when that happened I have no idea....

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:47 AM

WISHIMAY

Frem, you know you'd make an excellant graffic novel your own self...

So vivid...

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Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Riona, I agree. That's one of my main problems with home schooling: that the kids get no socialization. I know coming back from Afghanistan, where there were few American kids to go to school with, I came back a grade ahead of the other kids in learning and a grade BEHIND in socialization.

I'm also against it because all too often it's done for religious reasons and no other, and indoctrination by the parents is strong enough in most kids (especially when it comes to religion), I don't think they need more. They're turning out tomorrow's generation; I'd like them to have perspective and be exposed to different views I guess that goes back to socialization to a degree too.

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