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Originally posted by mal4prez:

Yes, yes and yes! I'm glad there are people going after this nonsense. The way Troll would have it, all I have to do is get in someone's face and talk smack until they try to push me out of the way, then I'm free to murder them in "self-defense'.

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Teens set kid on fire for being 'white boy'
MEENA HART DUERSON
Sunday, March 04, 2012
A 13-year-old boy who police say was doused with gasoline and lit on fire last week while walking home from school is recovering from first-degree burns to his face and head.

The boy was just two blocks from his home in Kansas City Tuesday when two teenagers began to follow him and then attacked him, his mother, Melissa Coon, said.

Police have described the suspects as black 16-year-olds, while the victim is white.

"We were told it's a hate crime," Coon told KTLA.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Cave, this thread already knows that, "Teens set kid on fire for being 'white boy'"

No one really approved of it, I think.
But that kid was clear-headed and saved his own life.

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Good news, Niki. You were right! Racism is alive and well in the United States!

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-f
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Teens set kid on fire for being 'white boy'
MEENA HART DUERSON
Sunday, March 04, 2012
A 13-year-old boy who police say was doused with gasoline and lit on fire last week while walking home from school is recovering from first-degree burns to his face and head.

The boy was just two blocks from his home in Kansas City Tuesday when two teenagers began to follow him and then attacked him, his mother, Melissa Coon, said.

Police have described the suspects as black 16-year-olds, while the victim is white.

"We were told it's a hate crime," Coon told KTLA.

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I can't wait to hear the howls of outrage and the demands for these two teenager's heads from Niki, KPO, and Anthony.

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Sorry, I don't really have patience for comfortable, middle class, people screaming raciss.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:

Yes, yes and yes! I'm glad there are people going after this nonsense. The way Troll would have it, all I have to do is get in someone's face and talk smack until they try to push me out of the way, then I'm free to murder them in "self-defense'.

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In Florida, yes. However, try not to have witnesses and remember to let him bloody your nose and the back of your head.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Anyhows, them that DO the job deserve full credit Mal4, that I freely give ya.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Stereotypes don't just happen.

A lot of people have to see a behavior before one is born. Then that behavior has to be reinforced over time for it to be vetted.

Drunk Irish.

Covetous Jew.

Mob Italian.

Bookworm Asian.

Maybe instead of blaming the aftermath of said stereotypes... you should try changing them. (Tho I give a pass to Asians.... getting good grades is not a vice.)

Everyone was all set to jump on this. "WHITE MAN KILLS BLACK BOY!"... and all that entails.

But now that the guy was Hispanic... you backpeddle. Cus God knows, its only ok to cry raciss when the target is white.

When its an "other"... well then. That gets all sorts of complicated, right? Only white people are raciss, right?

Racism does exist. But you might want to look in the mirror first before you start throwing that word around.

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What a shame—a tragedy, really— because the dead lil’ gangsta could’ve used “‘A-FIRM-TIV AK-SHUN” to go to kollige an play footballz and make lotsa cash munny!”

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Fast and Furious didn’t work to pass new gun control so now Eric Holder will try the race card.

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No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 45 years a large segment of bIack America has waged a war of v i o l e n t retribution against white America.

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Zimmerman was attacked by the man and defended himself with a gun. Zimmerman’s wounds were verified by police.

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17 = child. LOL!!!!!!

Let the LIB word games begin.

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Yet the “justice department” refuses to prosecute any voter intimidation that involves a blac k as the intimidator.

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Why should anyone care about this kid? Because he is of color? People don’t value kids period. They are property. BTW, I am a conservative that cares a great deal about kids. We follow hundreds of cases each year, many white babies and children, none of them get attention. But he does??

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Zimmerman felt threatened by Martin’s gang’s actions…this could have possibly lead to these terrible circumstances. Gang violence MUST BE STOPPED OBAMA!

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Blacks can do no wrong, period! That is the DOJ’s excuse for becoming involved. 50+ years of being told they are special and entitled and the gov’t’s only focus is to make it so!!

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In any event, it appears to be a case of one sc u m bag Cuban-type (Zimmerman) offing some scummy b l a ck kid (Trayyy-Vonnnn)…in some trash neighborhood….

but now, because the dead kid’s a kneegrow, we have:

the BIG BAD FBI on this “important” case…and

the usual BLACK-RADICAL-PROTESTERS who can’t mind their own business!

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Gated communities exist because people are afraid….& negros thrive on crime…Look at our prisons.

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Need that too….But Negr0s only have their welfare checks….and in any event can’t follow rules

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What time do the riots start? Gotta get my popcorn and munchies ready for the “hood” burning!

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Funny you never see them rally against the drug dealing murderers that control their neighborhoods. LOL!!!

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How does anyone know what this 17 yr old said, Most likely he threw the race card out ” you stop me because I*M B L ACK” and then became threatning. The media alway plants the seed of doubt when when a B l ac k is sh ot by a caucasian

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maybe his gang brothers incited violence too?

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How’d the kid get into the “gated” community in the first place?

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Them monkeys can jump!

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This is going to be a tough case. gang violence is hard to prosecute. martin’s gang may even want to retaliate. this is scary

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Let’s find out why the “po’ baby” was REALLY there!

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The little thug ghetto monkey should have been home doing his homework, not out gang bangin.

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I’m just glad Zimmerman didnt miss and hit an innocent bystander.

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THIS IS PURE RACIST!! When do you ever see the DOJ investigate the death of a white child??

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This is pure B.S I want to see the kids police record even if something is expounged also why was he removed from facebook it says account terminated.Why because his parents are trying to cover his tracks just like if you hit a bus they see Dollar signs.People have dragged data about Zimmerman out where is the kids past.Don’t say he was a good boy prove it.Ask yourself what is more likely to happen any 17 year old kid when you ask a question.A smartass reply I have never and I mean never seen a teenager run unless he did something wrong.I guess no crinimal has ever cased a place when they went to a store.It takes me aback the way all these facts are quoted by people who read one story on a issue.

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Who says his gang wasn’t hiding near by?

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he could be a good kid, but being in a gang doesn’t help his case

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An unfortunate death, but when will DOJ investigate the death of a Caucsasian?

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Here we go again— a LOCAL law enforcement matter (no federal issues) is being hijacked by the FEDS because the alleged “victim” is bl a c k! We all KNOW this kid was up to no good and now he’s feedin’ worms. Too bad-ha ha ha!

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Last night on CNN Anderson Cooper kept referring to zimmerman as white when he knew he was Hispanic I wonder why

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maybe then the kid was not bIack maybe Hawaiian like tiger woods then we can say s p i c s h o o t s Hawaiian

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This has Bl ack racist Holder and his all bl ack racist “DOJ Civil Rights Div” written all over it.

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Crack Skittles the new disguise

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Skittles actually has a couple slang meanings. Could be referring to recreational usage of Coricidin. Also refers to a male getting lipstick marks from young ladies on the member. Taste the rainbow..

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You think the DOJ or main stream will report zimmerman was Hispanic not White

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That is all it was — just another n i qq er. No loss

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He was slinging crack.

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Is tea and skittles slang for guns and crack.

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Skittles is actually slang for recreational usage of Coricidin.

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This is what happens when you join a gang. kids need to learn from Martin’s mistakes

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They should have a hunting season in Florida for these drug crazed gang members.

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This could have had a tragic outcome. His gun could have jammed. Whew!

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At least he didn’t chain him to the back of his truck?!?!?

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How long will it take to get all of those little blk curly nappys out of the White House bedding so that the next POTUS can sleep without that Creepy Crawly feeling .

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The picture is of an innocent choir boy designed to evoke sympathy for the “victum” and justify the skewed actions of a corrupt department of justice.

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the b!ack community has created a sense of fear with the excessive amounts of cr!me and v!olence and the glamorizing and glorification of cr!mes and v!olence through c rap music (term used lightly) and most are rude, crude, nasty and give others the tough guy BS attitude.You people (term also used lightly) made your beds and now have to lie in them………don’t be angry with us or blame us you did this all on your own.

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Hunting, maybe thinning the herd…

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It is obvious the un-civilized B!ACKS who dwell in the greatist nation on earth have never wanted to be part of the TEAM, they CRY and P!SS and MOAN at every given oportunity about fairness and equality, While lining up for the free ride at welfare.
The United States is cursed with these baboons, Who will never gain the ability to stand up and make it on their own without our help.
They are the eternal retarded stepchild , needfull and helpless until the end of time.

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Now the family of the kid has lost there way out of the ghetto.

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ANOTHER TOOKY WILLIAMS, ABORTED.
GOOD SHOT ZIMMY. lol

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Originally posted by Kwicko


Why do you think that those "howls of outrage" are appropriate when a white kid is the victim (and lives), but it's "self defense" when a black kid is killed?

Hell, to hear from some here, this might have been "self defense" by the black kids against the white kid. Doesn't seem to matter if he was younger, smaller, outnumbered or unarmed...


Troll, I'm wondering if you're going to follow the well-established pattern set by Rappy and Wulfie, and tend to express your howls of outrage when only when it's whites who are the victims, and not when it's black people.

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I've tried to stay on the high road while you, Kwicko, Niki, Anthony, KPO, Oonjerah, and 1kiki work yourself up into a lather.

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
You are correct, Anthony. Edited to withdraw. My apologies.

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
KPO,
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute
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Section 3 is the applicable statute.

I erred in referring to it as the Castle law. My apologies. The Florida law is called the "Stand Your Ground" law. If threatened you can use deadly force. Don't like the law? Move to Florida and get it changed.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Yes, Cave; the law is what it is. And what it is says very clearly that the boy had the right not to answer questions of someone following him, AND had the right to protect HIMSELF against a stalker who he felt threatened him. I assume you missed that part, which I posted in detail. Nobody knows who attacked who initially, nobody can say who was on top, etc., just "two men who looked like they were wrestling", so how do we know it wasn't Zimmerman who tackled Travon? We don't.

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Witnesses told ABC News a fistfight broke out and, at one point, Zimmerman, who outweighed Martin by more than 100 pounds, was on the ground and that Martin was on top.

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Zimmerman's description of the boy staring at the houses could easily have been (and probably was) his trying to figure out which house he came from; he may not have been there at night, and if it were me, I wouldn't have wanted to knock on just any door in a gated community until I was sure it was the right door. I've heard nothing about him having been drunk or on drugs, so I believe if Zimmerman really thought that (and wasn't just using it as an excuse to pursue), he may have been influenced by his own sense of authority to get the wrong impression.

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It may have been an allusion to a statement by a group called the New Black Liberation Militia, which planned to travel to Sanford, Fla., next week to enact a citizen's arrest against Zimmerman and bring him to federal authorities.

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I'm sorry to see people trying to work this out with what few facts we have, while the usual suspects need to jump to the conclusionthat nobody cares now they know Zimmerman is PARTLY Hispanic. It shows racism on their part, nobody else's, since the tide of opinion has turned due to further information coming out, not the race of the suspect.

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I'm sure glad those were COMMENTS, Mike...when I first glanced at it, I thought it was FauxNews commentators saying that, and even for FauxNews, that shocked me. Looking again, I see it was commentators; so, while I only read the first few, none of them would surprise me. We know the portion of the population FauxNews cottons to, so their reaction shouldn't surprise anyone. That there are many, many ugly minds out there which FauxNews encourages we already know all too well.

As to "working up into a lather", I've never felt anything here was important enough for that, sorry to disappoint you. Everything here is just opinion, same as me, so why would any of it be important enough to get upset about? I express my opinions, sometimes my disgust or amusement, then walk away from here and don't think about it again until I return. That you feel people have gotten worked up is your perception; I'm sad it's that important to you.

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I'm glad you think his actions were irresponsible, but I say again: The law is quite clear, and to be followed by car and then on foot, and accosted by someone 100 pounds heavier gave the boy the legal right to defend himself if he felt threatened. As to another charge against Zimmerman, could you post a link, please, because I hadn't yet heard anything on that. I also hadn't heard anything about Zimmerman muttering something and would like a link to that so I can read it for myself, if that's possible. I haven't yet listened to the news, so I may have missed both.

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...Frank Taaffe pointed out the circumstances that he believes led his 28-year-old neighbor to react the way he did on the night of Feb. 26: Eight burglaries within 15 months, most done by young black males, he said...

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As to the phone call to the girlfriend, the fact that she didn't come forward earlier makes me suspicious. It talks about "transcript", but how can they get a transcript of a cell phone call? For me, if they can prove the call even HAPPENED (which I believe IS possible?), that would be sufficient to make me believe more than disbelieve her story, but I'll wait for that information.

Basically, the law was on the BOY's side; he didn't have to answer questions by someone who wasn't a law enforcement person, who followed him in a car then on foot, and who accosted him for no understandable reason. Zimmerman was the aggressor, any way you look at it, and the self-defense law states clearly who had the right to self-defense--first Travon, who was doing NOTHING illegal nor bothering anyone.

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Just out of curiosity, who here is a "comfortable, middle class, people screaming raciss"? I know I'm not--we sunk out of the middle class some years ago and we haven't been "comfortable" for years, and I haven't heard anyone "screaming raciss". Not that the statement has any valid meaning, typically, but I'm curious. I'm also sad to see that supposedly becoming a volunteer fireman and a father has done nothing to mature your attitudes, Wulf. That's a shame.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Cave, this thread already knows that, "Teens set kid on fire for being 'white boy'"

No one really approved of it, I think.
But that kid was clear-headed and saved his own life.

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I think only you commented on it.

Was it ignored, because thankfully, no one died, or because it didn't fit the standard template? The one which initially had the story wrong, where it was a WHITE guy who shot the black kid...





"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves. - Someone.

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KPO,
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute
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Section 3 is the applicable statute.

I erred in referring to it as the Castle law. My apologies. The Florida law is called the "Stand Your Ground" law. If threatened you can use deadly force. Don't like the law? Move to Florida and get it changed.

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Thanks for providing the exact law, it states (emphasis mine):

"A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself..."

The application of this law is dubious in this case because:
1) We have every reason to suspect it was Zimmerman who initiated the confrontation, and Martin simply 'stood his ground'.
2) Zimmerman had to reasonably believe he was in danger of death or great bodily harm at the moment that he fired - the facts of the case make this unlikely.

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Originally posted by kpo:
Auraptor,

My thoughts on the incident in the article you posted:

1) It's horrific.
2) The incident was probably not as bad as it sounds in that article - the boy was able to save himself by taking off his t-shirt? He can't have been heavily doused in petrol then. Not so much 'boy set on fire' as 'boy's t-shirt set on fire while he was wearing it'. But I'm guessing here.
3) No, it didn't gain widespread traction in the media but wait - neither did the Trayvon Martin case... (until public pressure brought it to attention)
4) I'll bet the police DID arrest the perpetrators and justice was served (at least I hope so), unlike in the Trayvon Martin case - hence less public outcry

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CT - some folks just work with their prejudiced template, and anyone who colors outside of the lines, or suggests a different view, is to be mocked and ridiculed.

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CT, it's not 'assault' if it was Trayvon acting in self-defence, which seems to have been the case. Even if Trayvon jumped Zimmerman, HE WAS BEING STALKED - so such an action could reasonably be construed as defensive.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
If people were smart, they would use this as a way to talk about the real issues.

But no... we are subjected to the same old B.S.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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When someone is following you, RUN, & dive over fences & stuff-

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In a tense meeting Wednesday that highlighted growing tensions over the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, local officials in Sanford, Fla., passed a vote of no confidence in the police chief as protests spread north to New York City, where the slain youth’s parents joined a Manhattan march demanding the killer’s arrest.

The no-confidence measure passed 3 to 2 after more than an hour of debate, and though it was not binding, the outcome and the public groans and applause that punctuated the debate underscored the anger pulsing through the Orlando suburb nearly a month after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin’s death on Feb. 26. Most of that anger is focused on the fact that the confessed shooter, 28-year-old George Zimmerman, who has been described as both Latino and white, has not been arrested.

Dozens of Sanford residents gathered in the Sanford City Hall, where City Commissioner Mark McCarty set the tone for the meeting by noting that he had called for Police Chief Bill Lee’s ouster 10 days earlier in a meeting with the city manager, Norton N. Bonaparte Jr.

“I take no pleasure in publicly flogging our police chief. He’s a good man,” McCarty said.

But McCarty said questions surrounding the case, and the negative publicity cast upon the city since the killing, were largely the result of mishandling of the investigation. The questions, he said, include whether police were too quick to accept Zimmerman’s claim that he fired in self-defense, despite the fact that Martin was unarmed and that witnesses described hearing someone wailing for help before a gunshot rang out.

A lawyer representing Martin's family, Benjamin Crump, has said that the teenager was on a cellphone with his girlfriend and expressed concern that he was being followed by a strange man in the seconds before he was shot. And two women who live near the shooting scene have said that Martin was lying face-down, with Zimmerman looming over him, after he was shot.

“If it was self-defense, why was he [Zimmerman] on Trayvon’s back?” one of the witnesses, Mary Cutcher, told CNN in an interview.

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Hello,

While this is certainly an option for many people, it isn't for me. My asthma means that I can run for less than 30 seconds before hitting serious trouble, and then if someone catches up with me, I'm done for.

My own technique is to plod away from threats while avoiding any behavior that might provoke an attack- while being ready to defend myself.

Today's incident was not people, but a dog.

On my daily 2 mile walk to work, a free-roaming bulldog ran towards me and barked frothily. Closed to within six feet.

I ignored him and plodded on at a steady pace. Never did more than glance his way. Eventually he satisfied himself about defending his adopted territory or sphere of influence and went away. Never bit me, which is nice, because a man who walks to work does not need holes in his legs.

I was prepared to defend against the dog if necessary, but keeping my cool made sure it wasn't necessary.

I wish all people were as easy to deal with as dogs.

--Anthony



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Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

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When I encounter strange dogs, even dogs behaving aggressively, I cast my eyes down and sit on the ground, head down.

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