"Racism is dead in America." Bullshit by Niki2

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Hey little Rappy - you've got LOTS of unanswered points you blew by up above.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 4:38 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hey little Rappy - you've got LOTS of unanswered points you blew by up above.

Actually, there are zero, because I don't address imaginary, phony issues.

YOU, however, have made false claims about me twice in this thread.

Ball is still in your court.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, March 23, 2012 4:48 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And yanno, I'll bet those peeps are now regretting EVER having said anything positive ...

Yeah, 'Hero' does the same thing. I'll tell you, there's no better way to burn the last bit of good will out of people than to make them regret it at every opportunity.

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Friday, March 23, 2012 4:53 PM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And yanno, I'll bet those peeps are now regretting EVER having said anything positive ...

Yeah, 'Hero' does the same thing. I'll tell you, there's no better way to burn the last bit of good will out of people than to make them regret it at every turn.

More pettiness.

Not a surprise, really.

You've had all the opportunity to either back up YOUR claims, or apologize.

You've done neither.

Coward.

( Riona, is it name calling if it's shown to be valid and true , and not a ad hominem? )

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Friday, March 23, 2012 8:08 PM

MAL4PREZ

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
More pettiness.
...
Coward.

And who took a week off for name-calling? And learned nothing?

Does it bother you at all to know how better a place this is when you're not in it? Not because of differing opinions, but because your "ideas" are so moronically expressed?

Really, if you were on my side of the political spectrum, I be sending you bribes (in the form of doughnuts) to please FTLOTPTB just stop. You're making your side look awfully stupid and pathetic.

Or was that your intent all along? Hmm....

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 2:21 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
More pettiness.
...
Coward.
And who took a week off for name-calling? And learned nothing?

Does it bother you at all to know how better a place this is when you're not in it? Not because of differing opinions, but because your "ideas" are so moronically expressed?

Really, if you were on my side of the political spectrum, I be sending you bribes (in the form of doughnuts) to please FTLOTPTB just stop. You're making your side look awfully stupid and pathetic.

Or was that your intent all along? Hmm....

I didn't take a week off for name calling. I took a week off for name calling so MUCH. I've had plenty of chances to toss out a few choice expletives and ad hominems, but have taken the higher road.

If civility was the goal, then I gave kiki every opportunity to recant / correct on bearing false witness towards me per my views on this particular case. She ignored my calls to either back up her claims, or apologize. IMO, misrepresenting someone's views, intentionally, and w/ out any basis is a far worse offense. And in this case, the term applies. Kiki is a coward, because she's clearly said something false, can't back it up, but refuses to admit her error. You'd have to read back a few replies to actually catch up to speed, which it seems you have not. If you can't deal w/ the facts, that's a YOU problem, not mine.

Save your donuts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:03 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
More pettiness.
...
Coward.
And who took a week off for name-calling? And learned nothing?

Does it bother you at all to know how better a place this is when you're not in it? Not because of differing opinions, but because your "ideas" are so moronically expressed?

Really, if you were on my side of the political spectrum, I be sending you bribes (in the form of doughnuts) to please FTLOTPTB just stop. You're making your side look awfully stupid and pathetic.

Or was that your intent all along? Hmm....

I didn't take a week off for name calling. I took a week off for name calling so MUCH. I've had plenty of chances to toss out a few choice expletives and ad hominems, but have taken the higher road.

If civility was the goal, then I gave kiki every opportunity to recant / correct on bearing false witness towards me per my views on this particular case. She ignored my calls to either back up her claims, or apologize. IMO, misrepresenting someone's views, intentionally, and w/ out any basis is a far worse offense. And in this case, the term applies. Kiki is a coward, because she's clearly said something false, can't back it up, but refuses to admit her error. You'd have to read back a few replies to actually catch up to speed, which it seems you have not. If you can't deal w/ the facts, that's a YOU problem, not mine.

Save your donuts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

You have done the exact same thing to me, more than once. You've actually accused me directly of wanting to have you killed (you were aiming at a post that Signy put up, but you named me specifically).

And you've never once apologized to me for any of the false claims you've made, even when you've conclusively been shown to be lying.

Why do you insist on a different standard of behavior for others, one which you are completely unwilling to follow for yourself?

This bit is particularly funny:

"And in this case, the term applies. Kiki is a coward, because she's clearly said something false, can't back it up, but refuses to admit her error. "

You accused Anthony Weiner of claiming that Breitbart hacked his e-mail accounts, and I called you out for it. You were shown quote after quote where nothing of the kind was ever said, and you never once admitted your errors, clarified your point, admitted you misquoted and wrongly accused, or apologized for your errors. By your own definitions, you are a liar and a coward.

Thank you for making that abundantly clear for everyone here.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:08 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:

You have done the exact same thing to me, more than once. You've actually accused me directly of wanting to have you killed (you were aiming at a post that Signy put up, but you named me specifically).

Prove it.

And your Weiner/ Breitbart story is completely irrelevant, and doesn't remotely compare to this case. You really seem hell bent at taking huge trips down the street, out of the city and clear across state to avoid dealing w/ the issue right here before your eyes. All you're attempting to do is distract .

Kiki lied, and didn't back up her claim.

ETA - And to put the nail in this silly coffin, which you've been wrong about, since it took place about a year ago, and refuse to let it go...

WEINER: I apologize to Andrew Breitbart

Breitbart said he lost his Memorial Day weekend to fending off accusations that he had been the one to hack Weiner’s Twitter account, after Weiner tried to distance himself from the lewd tweet that appeared there – and was later picked up by Breitbart’s website – by claiming he had been hacked.

He ( Breitbart ) claimed to have one more photo that he would not release because it was too vulgar.

“I’m trying to do the decent thing here and not release the photo,” he said, hinting that such restraint might be tested if Weiner continued to suggest he had been hacked, allowing his supporters to continue to cast blame on Breitbart.

Weiner chose a strategy of total media prostration – though he was firm in his refusal to resign.

“I don’t know what I was thinking,” he said. “This was destructive thing to do. I apologize for doing it.”

After being asked several times, he apologized directly to the media, and to the man who had unexpectedly served as his warm-up act.

“I apologize to Andrew Breitbart,” Weiner said.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0611/Weiner_I_apologize_to_Andre
w_Breitbart.html

Weiner let his surrogates in the media do the accusations for him, to attack Breitbart's credibility. And for that, Weiner had to apologize.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:53 AM

MAL4PREZ

So the troll remains a troll, and proves it once again by having nothing to do but name-call, lie, and play the poor-wittle-me card. Back to Plan Ignore...

Hey, I was watching the last Harry Potter movie last night, and noticed that Hermione was wearing a hoodie. No wonder all those death-eaters tried to kill her! What was she thinking?

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:04 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by mal4prez:

So the troll remains a troll, and proves it once again by having nothing to do but name-call, lie, and play the poor-wittle-me card. Back to Plan Ignore...

Explain to us how I'm being a troll here. Kiki lied, and won't back up her claim. Clearly, because you don't care for me, you'll let her dishonesty slide, because it's an attack on me. I call her out on her lie, and that makes ME a troll ?

Really?

Please, draw me a picture and explain that one to me, if you can. I'm FASCINATED at learning how your mind rationalizes that one out.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:10 AM

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Weiner let his surrogates in the media do the accusations for him, to attack Breitbart's credibility. And for that, Weiner had to apologize.

There. Right there. You admit it yourself: Weiner DID NOT ACCUSE BREITBART OF HACKING HIS ACCOUNTS.

You claimed repeatedly that he did, even long after being shown that no such thing ever happened.

Apologize, and let's move on.

Why do you keep refusing to admit your errors and apologize for your cowardly behavior?

You say I'm getting away from the issue, which you now claim is Kiki's claims against you (that's really NOT the issue of this thread, you realize). However, all I've done is shown where you've done exactly the same thing you accuse Kiki of. Somehow, in your tiny little lizard brain, that's now not the issue. Except when you bring it up, of course.

So apologize, already. We're all waiting. ;)

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:14 AM

Meanwhile, it turns out the Trayvon Martin had called 911. FBI is now analyzing those tapes. He was scared, he was being followed (or "stalked"), Zimmerman had shown such behavior repeatedly, claiming to the police while he was chasing Martin "they always get away!" He told his girlfriend he was being followed, and now it turns out he may have called 911 out of justifiable fear of the man who then murdered him.

No wonder Rappy won't take a stand on this...

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:16 AM

America loves a winner!

You're splitting hairs here, and it's really unbecoming, even for you Kwickie. To have to reach that far to look for something to zing me on... sad. Really sad.

There's no analogy, no comparison between what you're yapping about and what kiki said about me.

None. Zilch. Zero. Nadda.

Weiner apologized, and that proves me right. End of discussion.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 4:21 AM

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Meanwhile, it turns out the Trayvon Martin had called 911. FBI is now analyzing those tapes. He was scared, he was being followed (or "stalked"), Zimmerman had shown such behavior repeatedly, claiming to the police while he was chasing Martin "they always get away!" He told his girlfriend he was being followed, and now it turns out he may have called 911 out of justifiable fear of the man who then murdered him.

No wonder Rappy won't take a stand on this...

Probably because I've not heard those tapes. Have you ? I know some tapes are out there, of Zimmerman, talking to the cops. There appears to be some discussion on whether Z had referred to Martin as a 'coon', or some such. I've not heard the tapes, but have heard some claim that 'coon' wasn't said at all, but that it was some other word. I forget now, but the suggested alternative didn't sound very much like 'coon', so I'm skeptical of how one arrives at that conclusion.

Having not heard the tapes, I can't honestly " take a stand " on their substance.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 5:38 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I've heard them. In one, he distinctly says “These assholes... They always get away.”, that's undisputed. In another, while stalking Trayvon, he says under his breath "fucking coon". He all but whispers it, no doubt because it's not a PC thing to say to the dispatcher, but it's there. I wondered myself at first, but having heard it in context, I hear it. Given the phrase was "fucking coon", that may be why the suggeted alternative doesn't sound like just "coon". Who knows? There's the sound of wind which makes it difficult to hear. It's spoken soft enough that people can argue about it until the cows come home. But listen for yourself; this is a diagnostic of the clip; they adjust it several times to try and clear it up. Decide for yourself:

Huh...I didn't know about the 911 call; looked it up and listened...awful. But I'm confused; I heard what I thought was TWO gun shots...after the first one the cries of "help" continue. After the second one they stop. Listened to it a couple of times...dunno what that first noise I'm hearing is. See what you think:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68870555/News/911-call:-ye
lling-&-gunshot-heard-in-background

Either way, there's a lot of yelling and "help" and "help me"...seems to me if Zimmerman were the one yelling, it wouldn't go on for so long; after all, he had the gun...? The yelling seems to me way to clear to be coming from a scuffle on the ground. Mostly, it's just heart rending.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Sorry if I started up a conversation WITH rappy. Such was not my intention, I was merely talking ABOUT him.

Carry on.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:16 AM

America loves a winner!

The 2 recordings... 1st I'm hearing of either.

1st. Sure, it sorta sounds like he's saying 'fucking coons', but I've heard about as clear audio on Ghost Hunters too. Had I not been told what to listen for, I'm not sure I'd have been able to pick out what was said.

2nd. I heard what sounded like 1 loud shot, and maybe a 2nd... not sure. You said it, though - Heart rending.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 8:14 AM

FREMDFIRMA

Ah, I can tell y'all ain't from the ghetto.

First there's the shot, and then there's the echo-reflection off the nearby buildings, it's surprisingly loud and often sounds like another shot, which is one of the things which leads inexperienced police, upon popping the first round, to believe they're being fired back at and empty the magazine at someone.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 10:31 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup, me too...that "coon" thing is so indistinct, it's anyone's guess.

I'm glad SOMEONE else heard what they thought was a second shot--whichever one it was goes on yelling for help after the first thing I heard that sounded like a shot, then silence after the other one. I wonder why nobody's bringing that up? It seems weird...like he fired a warning shot or something. It really sounds like the second one to me; one more thing missing. There seem to be so many things missing; I hope the feds are able to make sense out of it.

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Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:59 AM

OONJERAH

Not saying this is true. Just sayin' I read it in the news.

Claim is that Z. fired only one shot. How'd they know?
Because the gun's clip was full. And some folks, after
they load a bullet into the chamber, remove the clip to
reload that bullet, giving them an extra shot if needed.

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:12 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Will this ever change? Not until people stop claiming that "racism is dead in America".

Naziism isn't dead in America either. Does that make us all Nazis? Most of us? Many of us?

Or is it a concept that pretty much everyone realizes is wrong?

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:21 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Does that make us all Nazis? Most of us? Many of us?" Did anyone claim that 'all' USers are racists? Most? Many? Is that the argument you want us to think has been made? "Or is it a concept that pretty much everyone realizes is wrong?" Or is this strawmanning? Or an effort to derail the debate onto a non-existent side argument?

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:57 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Does that make us all Nazis? Most of us? Many of us?" Did anyone claim that 'all' USers are racists? Most? Many? Is that the argument you want us to think has been made? "Or is it a concept that pretty much everyone realizes is wrong?" Or is this strawmanning? Or an effort to derail the debate onto a non-existent side argument?

What's the title of this thread, Kiki?

Does the fact that a Hispanic man shot a Black youth in less than clear circumstances mean that racism is alive and well in America?

When a Black youth allegedly shot and killed two visiting Englishmen in Sarasota Fl. a while ago, does that mean America is Anglophobic? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13110039

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:17 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Naziism isn't dead in America either. Does that make us all Nazis? Most of us? Many of us? Or is it a concept that pretty much everyone realizes is wrong?"
"What's the title of this thread, Kiki?"

Is 'alive and well' as you imply is meant different from 'not dead' as Niki posted?

Do you not know how to read? Or when someone claims racism is still alive (ie not dead) do you just automatically assume they mean thriving, robust, rampant?

B/c I think the claim that racism is not dead is pretty well established as true. OTOH any claims that it's anything other than 'still alive' haven't been made. And the only person implying it is you.

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:26 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Is 'alive and well' as you imply is meant different from 'not dead' as Niki posted?

Based on Niki's comments, I'd say she considers racism "alive and well" and a "common occurrence" that's more than just an aberration of a few kooks.

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Nobody's posted about this one, perhaps because it represents a common enough occurrence that we don't pay much attention. But I've been following it, and it's not only outrageous, it's another example of the fact that racisim isn't only alive and well in America, it's allowed.

People on the right keep bitching about the left "playing the race card". It's not a card, it's a reality, and denying it is a political ploy, nothing else.

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:30 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Is 'alive and well' as you imply is meant different from 'not dead' as Niki posted?

Based on Niki's comments, I'd say she considers racism a "common occurrence" that's more than just an aberration of a few kooks.

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Nobody's posted about this one, perhaps because it represents a common enough occurrence that we don't pay much attention. But I've been following it, and it's not only outrageous, it's another example of the fact that racisim isn't only alive and well in America, it's allowed.

People on the right keep bitching about the left "playing the race card". It's not a card, it's a reality, and denying it is a political ploy, nothing else.

Hello,

I think that any honest appraisal would place racism at more than 'a few kooks.' I wouldn't be surprised if those who would openly declare racial bias to friends would number in the millions.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

Note to self: Mr. Raptor believes that women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.

Reference thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=51196

Never forget what this man is. You keep forgiving him his trespasses and speak to him as though he is a reasonable human being. You keep forgetting the things he's advocated. If you respond to this man again, you are being foolish.

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 7:38 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
I think that any honest appraisal would place racism at more than 'a few kooks.' I wouldn't be surprised if those who would openly declare racial bias to friends would number in the millions.

Could be. It's Kiki who's arguing that Niki's ""Racism is dead in America." Bullshit" comment didn't mean Niki considers racism to be alive and well.

I have no doubt that there are racists of all persuasions out there. But the difference is that now they'll generally only express their views to the like-minded. That's something that has changed in my lifetime.

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 9:19 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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Naziism isn't dead in America either. Does that make us all Nazis? Most of us? Many of us?

Or is it a concept that pretty much everyone realizes is wrong?

"Pretty much everyone"? I tend to disagree. From what I see and hear and read every day, there are DEFINITELY those who are quite comfortable with their racism and think it is fully justified. Not just against Blacks, but these days against Muslims, Hispanics and others. People don't talk about it OPENLY, because it's not PC. That doesn't mean they realize it's wrong. And there is no question they talk about it to others who think like them.

The kind of "Nazism" we have these days is limited to a few thousand very sad people--and their Nazism is racism, too, obviously. But there remain enough Americans who do believe Blacks (Muslims, Hispanics, etc.) are inferious, dangerous, etc., etc. that it is a continuing problem.

In case you missed it, because it's way back on page two, an eloquent illustration of this was posted. Comments on Trayvon's murder:

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What a shame—a tragedy, really— because the dead lil’ gangsta could’ve used “‘A-FIRM-TIV AK-SHUN” to go to kollige an play footballz and make lotsa cash munny!”

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Fast and Furious didn’t work to pass new gun control so now Eric Holder will try the race card.

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No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 45 years a large segment of bIack America has waged a war of v i o l e n t retribution against white America.

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Zimmerman was attacked by the man and defended himself with a gun. Zimmerman’s wounds were verified by police.

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17 = child. LOL!!!!!!

Let the LIB word games begin.

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Yet the “justice department” refuses to prosecute any voter intimidation that involves a blac k as the intimidator.

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Why should anyone care about this kid? Because he is of color? People don’t value kids period. They are property. BTW, I am a conservative that cares a great deal about kids. We follow hundreds of cases each year, many white babies and children, none of them get attention. But he does??

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Zimmerman felt threatened by Martin’s gang’s actions…this could have possibly lead to these terrible circumstances. Gang violence MUST BE STOPPED OBAMA!

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Blacks can do no wrong, period! That is the DOJ’s excuse for becoming involved. 50+ years of being told they are special and entitled and the gov’t’s only focus is to make it so!!

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In any event, it appears to be a case of one sc u m bag Cuban-type (Zimmerman) offing some scummy b l a ck kid (Trayyy-Vonnnn)…in some trash neighborhood….

but now, because the dead kid’s a kneegrow, we have:

the BIG BAD FBI on this “important” case…and

the usual BLACK-RADICAL-PROTESTERS who can’t mind their own business!

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Gated communities exist because people are afraid….& negros thrive on crime…Look at our prisons.

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Need that too….But Negr0s only have their welfare checks….and in any event can’t follow rules

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What time do the riots start? Gotta get my popcorn and munchies ready for the “hood” burning!

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Funny you never see them rally against the drug dealing murderers that control their neighborhoods. LOL!!!

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How does anyone know what this 17 yr old said, Most likely he threw the race card out ” you stop me because I*M B L ACK” and then became threatning. The media alway plants the seed of doubt when when a B l ac k is sh ot by a caucasian

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maybe his gang brothers incited violence too?

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How’d the kid get into the “gated” community in the first place?

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Them monkeys can jump!

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This is going to be a tough case. gang violence is hard to prosecute. martin’s gang may even want to retaliate. this is scary

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Let’s find out why the “po’ baby” was REALLY there!

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The little thug ghetto monkey should have been home doing his homework, not out gang bangin.

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I’m just glad Zimmerman didnt miss and hit an innocent bystander.

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THIS IS PURE RACIST!! When do you ever see the DOJ investigate the death of a white child??

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This is pure B.S I want to see the kids police record even if something is expounged also why was he removed from facebook it says account terminated.Why because his parents are trying to cover his tracks just like if you hit a bus they see Dollar signs.People have dragged data about Zimmerman out where is the kids past.Don’t say he was a good boy prove it.Ask yourself what is more likely to happen any 17 year old kid when you ask a question.A smartass reply I have never and I mean never seen a teenager run unless he did something wrong.I guess no crinimal has ever cased a place when they went to a store.It takes me aback the way all these facts are quoted by people who read one story on a issue.

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Who says his gang wasn’t hiding near by?

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he could be a good kid, but being in a gang doesn’t help his case

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An unfortunate death, but when will DOJ investigate the death of a Caucsasian?

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Here we go again— a LOCAL law enforcement matter (no federal issues) is being hijacked by the FEDS because the alleged “victim” is bl a c k! We all KNOW this kid was up to no good and now he’s feedin’ worms. Too bad-ha ha ha!

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Last night on CNN Anderson Cooper kept referring to zimmerman as white when he knew he was Hispanic I wonder why

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maybe then the kid was not bIack maybe Hawaiian like tiger woods then we can say s p i c s h o o t s Hawaiian

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This has Bl ack racist Holder and his all bl ack racist “DOJ Civil Rights Div” written all over it.

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Crack Skittles the new disguise

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Skittles actually has a couple slang meanings. Could be referring to recreational usage of Coricidin. Also refers to a male getting lipstick marks from young ladies on the member. Taste the rainbow..

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You think the DOJ or main stream will report zimmerman was Hispanic not White

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That is all it was — just another n i qq er. No loss

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He was slinging crack.

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Is tea and skittles slang for guns and crack.

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Skittles is actually slang for recreational usage of Coricidin.

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This is what happens when you join a gang. kids need to learn from Martin’s mistakes

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They should have a hunting season in Florida for these drug crazed gang members.

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This could have had a tragic outcome. His gun could have jammed. Whew!

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At least he didn’t chain him to the back of his truck?!?!?

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How long will it take to get all of those little blk curly nappys out of the White House bedding so that the next POTUS can sleep without that Creepy Crawly feeling .

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The picture is of an innocent choir boy designed to evoke sympathy for the “victum” and justify the skewed actions of a corrupt department of justice.

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the b!ack community has created a sense of fear with the excessive amounts of cr!me and v!olence and the glamorizing and glorification of cr!mes and v!olence through c rap music (term used lightly) and most are rude, crude, nasty and give others the tough guy BS attitude.You people (term also used lightly) made your beds and now have to lie in them………don’t be angry with us or blame us you did this all on your own.

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Hunting, maybe thinning the herd…

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It is obvious the un-civilized B!ACKS who dwell in the greatist nation on earth have never wanted to be part of the TEAM, they CRY and P!SS and MOAN at every given oportunity about fairness and equality, While lining up for the free ride at welfare.
The United States is cursed with these baboons, Who will never gain the ability to stand up and make it on their own without our help.
They are the eternal retarded stepchild , needfull and helpless until the end of time.

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Now the family of the kid has lost there way out of the ghetto.

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ANOTHER TOOKY WILLIAMS, ABORTED.
GOOD SHOT ZIMMY. lol

To the best of my knowledge, Trayvon had absolutely NO gangster affiliation. Nonetheless, you see where the mentality goes... Those are only a tiny fraction of the American people who think like them. And you say it's something most of us know is wrong? "Most" of us, perhaps, but the volume of those who do NOT think it's wrong remains enormous. Resentment against and hatred of Blacks is still rampant in our country, and my point was that it'll never change until/unless we try to change it...more. It's a battle like environmentalism; the difference is, every mind we change hopefully stays changed; ever battle we win on the environment is ony "won" until the next battle.

Anyone who deludes themselves into thinking racism is dead in America is doing just that: deluding themselves. If that's what you truly think, Geezer, then you are doing just that: deluding yourself.

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:04 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Those are only a tiny fraction of the American people who think like them. And you say it's something most of us know is wrong? "Most" of us, perhaps, but the volume of those who do NOT think it's wrong remains enormous.

It remains folks who'll post anonymous stuff on a web forum.

Seen any "We agree with Zimmerman" rallies on the news? Folks getting out and showing their faces in support of the shooting? No.

Seen multitudes of folks of all races getting out to support further action in the investigation? Well, yes.

The folks who are racist, and who'd be right up front about it when you and I were kids, realize that the tide has turned against them. They know that they'd better be quiet or face disapproval (or possible prosecution), and know that they are on the way out. I can see it where I live, when kids of all races hang out together with no problem. Another generation or so, and the racists will be that few thousand "very sad" folks.

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Sunday, March 25, 2012 10:36 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"It remains folks who'll post anonymous stuff on a web forum."

And people who will only says such stuff to family, friends, and like-minded folk, giving and getting mutual sotto voce validation. Yeah, you said it. It doesn't make them less racist, or make them less numerous, it makes them less identifiable.

BTW - when blacks write the laws, run the justice system, and make up the law enforcement, then casually dismiss the stalking and murder of a young white man at the hands of a black man - you will see me just as outraged, just as furious. It's not about giving a pass to blacks, it's about holding police accountable to treat all people as equal under the law.

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Monday, March 26, 2012 2:05 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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"It remains folks who'll post anonymous stuff on a web forum."

And people who will only says such stuff to family, friends, and like-minded folk, giving and getting mutual sotto voce validation. Yeah, you said it. It doesn't make them less racist, or make them less numerous, it makes them less identifiable.

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OTOH any claims that it's anything other than 'still alive' haven't been made. And the only person implying it is you.

So which Kiki are you today?

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Monday, March 26, 2012 7:57 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 7:57 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Calling it stalking fails every test against the law.

I wasn't using the word in the legal sense. I was using it in the ordinary meaning of the word sense:

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stalk
verb
stalked, past participle; stalked, past tense; stalking, present participle; stalks, 3rd person singular present

1.Pursue or approach stealthily
- a cat stalking a bird

No one is arguing that Zimmerman should be arrested for 'stalking'; only that his actions could be legitimately construed by Martin as threatening - giving him a right to self defence.

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There was an eyewitness who said he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman.

On top of does not mean hitting. Let's not fill in the blanks. They could've been rolling in the grass, and for a moment Trayvon was on top. For all we know Zimmerman could've inflicted some, or all of his injuries on himself to bolster his self-defence claim.

I personally think it likely that Trayvon punched Zimmerman in the nose. I also think it likely that he had every right to, based on Zimmerman's actions. But we don't have all the facts yet, as the police for whatever reason decided not to thoroughly investigate and get to the bottom of what happened. I'm hopeful we can get the full picture in the future.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:28 AM

OPPYH

So let me get this straight.

An unintelligent member of the neighborhood watch(that had a troubled background) refuses to listen to police orders and thinks he will take the law in his own hands. When he approaches Treyvon he is not suspecting to get whupped by the alleged suspect. Treyvon a troubled young man with disiplinary problems(not the angelic "child" everyone is making him out to be) beats the living piss out Zimmerman. After Zimmerman crys out for help for a few seconds(which can be heard on a 911 call) in desperation takes his gun and shoots Treyvon.
The only race issue is that Zimmerman targeted a young black man thinking he was up to no good,did i mention Zimmerman is unintelligent?
Everything that happened after he approached him was spontanious, and chaotic. Zimmerman was an idiot, Treyvon a troublemaker.

Sound about right?

Good. I thought so.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:31 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

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They could've been rolling in the grass

That's the one I've been wondering about. There's NO mention of any injuries to Trayvon, or whether HIS shirt had grass stains. Why not, I wonder? If they were fighting, surely Trayvon would have SOME indication of injury, even just scratches, or say bruises to his knuckles? Why has nobody said anything about that? It's not like his injuries could disappear...

I also wondered about someone who described his walking around and only gruffly responding after asked three times if everything was okay "call 911". Could be interpreted as someone who knows he might be in deep shit and was trying to figure out how to deal with it...while I don't think his knock on the back of the head could have been self-inflicted in the time allowed, he COULD have produced other 'injuries'.

Who knows?

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 9:32 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Your interpretation of events is subjective, doesn't take facts into evidence, and assumes things not in evidence.

Sound about right?

Good. I thought so.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:11 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Your interpretation of events is subjective, doesn't take facts into evidence, and assumes things not in evidence.

At this point, that applies to just about everyone.

Somehow, it doesn't appear to prevent them from forming strong opinions, making accusations, and deciding innocence or guilt of all parties involved.

As noted elsewhere, Getting a relatively unbiased grand jury is going to be fun.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:17 AM

WULFENSTAR

http://youtu.be/VUnGTXRxGHg

I'll be laughing when they describe Zimmeran as a "WHITE-hispanic",

cus you know...

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:11 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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They could've been rolling in the grass
That's the one I've been wondering about. There's NO mention of any injuries to Trayvon, or whether HIS shirt had grass stains. Why not, I wonder? If they were fighting, surely Trayvon would have SOME indication of injury, even just scratches, or say bruises to his knuckles? Why has nobody said anything about that? It's not like his injuries could disappear...

The Medical Examiner's report will indicate if Martin had any other injuries.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:17 PM

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"Does that make us all Nazis? Most of us? Many of us?" Did anyone claim that 'all' USers are racists? Most? Many? Is that the argument you want us to think has been made? "Or is it a concept that pretty much everyone realizes is wrong?" Or is this strawmanning? Or an effort to derail the debate onto a non-existent side argument?

What's the title of this thread, Kiki?

Does the fact that a Hispanic man shot a Black youth in less than clear circumstances mean that racism is alive and well in America?

When a Black youth allegedly shot and killed two visiting Englishmen in Sarasota Fl. a while ago, does that mean America is Anglophobic? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13110039

You're arguing an absurdity. Saying that racism is alive and well in America is not saying that America is a racist nation; it's saying that there ARE racists in America. If I admit that there are Anglophobes in America as well, that doesn't make the entire country Anglophobes, does it?

Geraldo Rivera (who I'm sure conservatives will claim is "just an entertainer" and not part of Fox News) says the hoodie is as responsible for Trayvon's death as the gun was. That seems pretty blatantly racist, to blame a black person for dressing in a way that implies that he deserved to be shot for what he was wearing.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 1:23 PM

STORYMARK

I like how the right (Geezer in this thread, Jong in the other) are now equating this to any violence.

We,, Geezer, did the men who shot those Englishmen get sent home, still armed, by the cops after it happened??

Somehow, I kinda doubt it.

Spoon!

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Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:35 PM

OPPYH

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Your interpretation of events is subjective, doesn't take facts into evidence, and assumes things not in evidence.

Sound about right?

Good. I thought so.

Geez Niki,
What did I do to you? I was simply making a mash of news stories that I read in the past couple days(mostly Yahoo, and MSN news). Trying to sum up the current trend at where this hurricane is going. Of course it is subjective. In fact I think the only person that knows the whole story is Zimmerman...unfortunately.

I haven't had the "copycat" rountine since the third grade.

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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:36 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Saying that racism is alive and well in America is not saying that America is a racist nation; it's saying that there ARE racists in America. If I admit that there are Anglophobes in America as well, that doesn't make the entire country Anglophobes, does it?

Pretty much what I was saying.

It was Niki, in the first post in this thread, who said "racisim isn't only alive and well in America, it's allowed", and "a common enough occurrence that we don't pay much attention".

Kiki has sort'a been all over the place.

I figure that there are racists in the U.S. - of all varieties. However, there are a lot less of them than when I grew up in the '50s and '60s, and they know that they don't have the power any more.

I also figure that this shooting had little or nothing to do with racism, and more to do with cop wannabe gone wrong.

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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:29 AM

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

I agree with the cop wannabe part. But as to racist having "no power", I think that's untrue. There are racists (or people who pander to them) in power right now, politicans who are passing voter ID laws and such. It may be that they're deluded into thinking they can bring institutionalized racism BACK and can't see that it's on its way out--or mostly not accepted officially--I don't know. But I think there are plenty of things around to show that racism exists and is still accepted to a degree. It's not "officially" allowed, but it takes place every day and exists in laws which are written for it but hide it (transparently) so as to make them "acceptable".

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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:38 AM

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by Niki2:
There are racists (or people who pander to them) in power right now, politicans who are passing voter ID laws and such. It may be that they're deluded into thinking they can bring institutionalized racism BACK and can't see that it's on its way out--or mostly not accepted officially--I don't know.

That's not based on racism, in my opinion. That's based on the perception that the folks less likely to have I.D. (Poor. Minorities. Elderly)are the folks more likely to vote Democratic.

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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:46 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
There are racists (or people who pander to them) in power right now, politicans who are passing voter ID laws and such. It may be that they're deluded into thinking they can bring institutionalized racism BACK and can't see that it's on its way out--or mostly not accepted officially--I don't know.

That's not based on racism, in my opinion. That's based on the perception that the folks less likely to have I.D. (Poor. Minorities. Elderly)are the folks more likely to vote Democratic.

I agree with Geezer on this point. If you put into place ways of the poor to obtain state ID card, if they don't have drivers licenses I see no valid argument against ID requirments at the polls.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:49 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Saying that racism is alive and well in America is not saying that America is a racist nation; it's saying that there ARE racists in America. If I admit that there are Anglophobes in America as well, that doesn't make the entire country Anglophobes, does it?

Pretty much what I was saying.

It was Niki, in the first post in this thread, who said "racisim isn't only alive and well in America, it's allowed", and "a common enough occurrence that we don't pay much attention".

Kiki has sort'a been all over the place.

I figure that there are racists in the U.S. - of all varieties. However, there are a lot less of them than when I grew up in the '50s and '60s, and they know that they don't have the power any more.

I also figure that this shooting had little or nothing to do with racism, and more to do with cop wannabe gone wrong.

I'm with you on most of this, but while I don't think racism was the main or only factor in this shooting, I think it probably played a part, and I'm by no means the only one saying that. Geraldo himself says that the hoodie the kid was wearing was as big a factor as the gun, which brings up the question of whether it's JUST hoodie shirts in general, of if it's something specific about black kids in hoodies.

Zimmerman seems to have reached the conclusion that a black kid in a hoodie was a threat, and worth confronting. I haven't heard any evidence that he ever displayed such behavior towards white kids in hoodies.

As to the two English tourists who were shot, it's not really a fair comparison, unless you can show me where the cops had someone in custody in those shootings and decided not to arrest, press charges, or even investigate, and sent the shooter home with his gun.

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Wednesday, March 28, 2012 7:51 AM