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Originally posted by Hero:

Today Mr. Zimmerman was given a $150k bond. Its far more then the Defense wanted but far...far less then the State wanted. In other words its consistent with a bond given the facts presented and the charge.

The other big news is the bloody picture. This picture taken a few minutes after the shooting clearly shows blood flowing from injuries to the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head. The picture and others like it as well as the police reports clearly indicate that Mr. Zimmerman had injuries to his nose and face as well as blood flowing from both his nose and the cuts on the back of his head.

In other words he had injuries entirely consistent with what he was telling the police.

The Prosecutor failed to include or mention this evidence in the charging document as required by Florida law. While the Prosecutor may not have had access to the picture, they had access to Zimmerman, numerouse police reports and other photos taken by the police. That the injuries and evidence was ommitted is really bad. (I note in Ohio I do not need provide such evidence, but I also lack the power to file a felony charge absent a Grand Jury like they can in Florida...I'm iffy on which works better).

But Hero, says assorted folks round these parts, we're too emotionally committed to a predetermined finding of guilt to take your word for it!

The affadavit:
"...so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

Failing to mention the picture:
"...grave ethical violation..."

"An affidavit that willfully misstates undisputed evidence known to the prosecution is not only unethical but borders on perjury because an affiant swears to tell not only the truth, but the whole truth, and suppressing an important part of the whole truth is a lie."

Thank your for agreeing with me on the above points Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School, but aren't you taking sides? "I'm not taking sides, but I'm insisting that both sides play by the rules, and so far the prosecution is not playing by the rules."

You may all emotionally blather now...although I will say that I am encouraged by all the unqualified support you seem to be giving the police and the prosecutor. Its nice to know you all believe so much in the system once more.

I can only assume its because after all the times you've been wrong in assuming the police got it wrong...you've finally decided that the police and the state can do no wrong. Unfortunately the real lesson here is not to blindly support or condemn the police...just let things sort themselves out before jumping to a conclusion.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Mr. Zimmerman had injuries to his nose and face as well as blood flowing from both his nose and the cuts on the back of his head.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So much for the claims that there wasn't a mark on GZ to be found, anywhere.

The low $ amount of the bond is being said by some indicates that the prosecutors have a weak case. A very weak case. This is why the 2nd degree murder charge is being said to be an over charge by the prosecutor, in hopes of a plea deal. If this is a snap shot view of how things 'could' play out, this may not even go to trial.

George Zimmerman may very well walk.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

What does the strength of the prosecution case have to do with the bond...oh nothing. It was not higher because it is not believed that Zimmerman is a flight risk.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

So much for the claims that there wasn't a mark on GZ to be found, anywhere.

The low $ amount of the bond is being said by some indicates that the prosecutors have a weak case. A very weak case. This is why the 2nd degree murder charge is being said to be an over charge by the prosecutor, in hopes of a plea deal. If this is a snap shot view of how things 'could' play out, this may not even go to trial.

George Zimmerman may very well walk.

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What does the strength of the prosecution case have to do with the bond...oh nothing. It was not higher because it is not believed that Zimmerman is a flight risk.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by MINCINGBEAST:
I never thought I would encounter a prosecutor who would argue against a predetermined finding of guilt.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

What do facts have to do with anything Rappy says?

Same answer.... nothing.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

...the kid began to wonder to himself how close he would let this creep get. He got an adrenaline surge as he realized he might not make it home in one piece if he didn't do something quick. In one step he turned fully around to face this guy, and with all the bravado he could muster began to gesticulate wildly as his voice grew loud asking the follower what he was up to. The man froze. Then his hand moved in that way you see in movies all the time. The kid realized he'd underestimated this entire thing. This creep had a gun, and was going for it. There was no time to think- he leaped at the man and they crashed to the ground, the kid's fists a blur. The man was yelling something, but all the kid could hear was his own heartbeat. Until the shot...

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Originally posted by MINCINGBEAST:
I never thought I would encounter a prosecutor who would argue against a predetermined finding of guilt.

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Remind me to tell you how I won my last jury trial.

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
[Incorrect . Facts are the basis and goal of all I say.

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What does the strength of the prosecution case have to do with the bond...oh nothing. It was not higher because it is not believed that Zimmerman is a flight risk.

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That's one way to spin it.

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
Incorrect . Facts are the basis and goal of all I say.

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You saying stupid things like....

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What does the strength of the prosecution case have to do with the bond...oh nothing. It was not higher because it is not believed that Zimmerman is a flight risk.

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That's one way to spin it.

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...says different. There no spin to what I said. You simply do not understand what you are talking about.

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The low $ amount of the bond is being said by some indicates that the prosecutors have a weak case.

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If this is a snap shot view of how things 'could' play out, this may not even go to trial.

George Zimmerman may very well walk.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Why is this ONLY showing up on Good Morning America? I mean, Good Morning America? Where did they get it, and why is it nowhere else?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Then I guess neither does Alan Dershowitz, huh? Because that's pretty much what HE said. And I'd put his knowledge of the judicial system before both yours or mine.

Yes, in part what you're saying is accurate, in having to do w/ Zimmerman being a flight risk. But there's also more to it than just that, and understanding decisions like this is often like reading tea leaves. More than 1 conversation I heard , of lawyers talking about his aspect of the case, and who have some working knowledge of how these sorts of trials tend to go, indicate that the prosecution has next to little to go on, save for the fact that Trayvon was indeed shot to death. It's gonna be hard for the prosecution to show , based on what info has come out , that this was anything more than a manslaughter case.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, is that your attempt at an apology or something ? Because the flight risk wasn't the entirety of what Mr Dershowitz was talking about here. Did you hear him somewhere too ? ( I'm guessing not, because you said it was a 'stupid' thing to say )

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The low $ amount of the bond is being said by some indicates that the prosecutors have a weak case. A very weak case.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Uhhh, this Dershowitz?

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Harvard University professor Alan Dershowitz alleged Friday that Media Matters has "crossed the line into anti-semitism" by tolerating an employee who uses charged language to criticize supporters of Israel.

Dershowitz, a liberal Democrat who is a staunch supporter of Israel, first started speaking out against the liberal media watchdog group last month. He went further in an interview on Fox News, saying Friday that Media Matters has crossed the line into "bigotry."

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or this one?

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Prominent political commentator Professor Alan Dershowitz slammed jurist Richard Goldstone, the architect of a UN report which accuses Israel of Gaza war crimes, saying he is a traitor to the Jewish people, Army Radio reported Sunday.

Dershowitz and Goldstone had been colleagues and close friends for many years before the UN Gaza probe, but once Goldstone published his report the ties between the two were severed. "The Goldstone report is a defamation written by an evil, evil man," Dershowitz said.

In an interview with Army Radio, Dershowitz said he is appalled by the report and can't fathom how it could have been written by a Jew. He said it is as if a Jew would have written the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and that the jurist is using the fact that his last name is 'Goldstone' to substantiate the report's defamation against the Jewish people.

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Hmmmm, I'm surprised he has time for anything non-Israel related...

You're a sad, desperate little man, Hero, seems to me...

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
No it wasn't. You claimed...

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The low $ amount of the bond is being said by some indicates that the prosecutors have a weak case. A very weak case.

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...as in the bond amount was only about the evidence in the case.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Yes that is what you said. The point is that the bond amount may have to do with the evidence, but does not have to. So for anyone to say that the bond amount indicates a weakness in the prosecutions evidence is over stating things.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
After I've clarified things twice now, are you STILL going to claim it was " stupid " ?

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After I've clarified things twice now, are you STILL going to claim it was " stupid " ?

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I didn't claim your original statement was stupid, only your claim that I tried to spin something was. For fuck sake try to follow along.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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" You saying stupid things like.... "

Yeah, for fuck sake... follow along.

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You saying stupid things like....

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That's one way to spin it.

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And if all else fails...'Hero is always right'.

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"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
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Helps if you include everything

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... try a little honesty next time.

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Tho' I give little weight to what he heard other attorneys say, given nobody but those involved know ALL the facts. Judging from what we HAVE heard, and how the bond hearing was done, I'd have to say the prosecutor didn't do a very good job; I hope he does better at trial.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
As to Dershowitz, I in no way deny his knowledge of the law and judicial process. I do, however, find him to be close to the point of, shall I say "unstable", in some respects. Ergo I don't take his opinion as particularly valid on anything, which is why I snarked about him.

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As to Dershowitz, I in no way deny his knowledge of the law and judicial process. I do, however, find him to be close to the point of, shall I say "unstable", in some respects. Ergo I don't take his opinion as particularly valid on anything, which is why I snarked about him.

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Well, you're pretty much saying you deny his knowledge of the law and judicial process when you say you don't take his opinion as particularly valid on anything.

Not sure what his opinions on Israel have to do with a murder 2 case in Florida. Nevertheless, Dershowitz is a pretty distinguished lawyer, jurist, and professor of law, so his statements on matters of law should carry some weight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Morton_Dershowitz

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I could say the same for just about any Leftist who buys into AGW, right ? I mean, how could anyone so unstable who promotes that myth be expected to make sense on ANY other topic ?

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I'm STILL wondering why the alleged photo of the back of Zimmerman's head hasn't appeared anywhere in the news, except as a photo on ABC.

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