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The Anoka-Hennepin School District pledged Monday to improve the treatment of gay and lesbian students as part of a settlement that closes a long legal chapter in its struggles over bullying and sexual orientation.

The 5-1 school board vote, which resolves both a federal civil rights investigation and a lawsuit filed last summer by six former and current students, was received with cheers and hugs among plaintiffs and their supporters. The suit had said the district did not adequately respond to persistent physical and verbal harassment based on real or perceived sexual orientation.

The settlement creates a five-year partnership between the school district and the federal departments of Justice and Education to help create programs and procedures to improve the school climate for all students.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Odd, but no where in the tirade against the Bible did big, bad Danny boy come out and say 1 word against the Quran.

Gee, I wonder why.

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Gee, I wonder why.

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Gee, I wonder why.

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'Cause once you realize you don't NEED one archaic tome to tell you how to live your life, one generally doesn't bother with the rest of them??? Not much learnin of those here anyway, I doubt anyone in the crowd would be qualified to speak of them...

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I'm not so sure a crowd of mixed peoples was the place for such a thing, and I fault him for not using more logic, and such little tact, but there sure are a LOT of rediculous rules in the bible, I'll stipulate ta that...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Savage is behind ( no pun intended ) the 'It gets better ' program. This WH is fully on board w/ that program, with videos being submitted by Obama, Biden, H.Clinton, and a long list of those in the admin.

Striving to stop bullying is a noble thing. However, not just gays are bullied. But from how this administration pushes that agenda, as it seems that's what they're speaking out against the most, it's as if bullied gay and lesbian kids come first, others ...well, they'll get back to you later.

Which is all well and good, but for Savage to launch into this hissy fit over Christians, and then calling them 'pansies', for not putting up w/ his b.s., is the height of hypocrisy, and completely counter to his alleged 'anti-bullying' program.

Even as an atheist, this clip makes clear that Savage is more interested in mocking and ridiculing anyone who believes the bible, on any level.

Beyond disgraceful.

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

Shouldn't you have posted this in the Phony Outrage section?

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Shouldn't you have posted this in the Phony Outrage section?

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Nope. But your dismissal of this issue is telling.

You honestly think this sort of language and tone has ANY place in this setting, in a conference against bullying?

Q: Did you even WATCH the video ? Be truth-some here.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

You're not sure this was the right place to bash Christianity ? Really ? What might have been your first clue ?

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Someone's gotta play Wulf on this one:
...but is he wrong?

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You're not sure this was the right place to bash Christianity ? Really ? What might have been your first clue ?

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Well for one thing, I'm not entirely sure of the makeup of the audience, and the fact that it sounded like a good portion of the audience was pretty much in agreement... What I take issue with more than anything was his confrontational attitude in front of a mixed audience, he let anger cloud what could have been a rational discussion...


Also cussing like that in front of the kids- NOT COOL!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"The Bible got slavery wrong" ..... and kids walked out on that? Because why??? Are they pro-slavery?

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Someone's gotta play Wulf on this one:
...but is he wrong?

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As to the man, I abhor anyone speaking that way, especially to children. Period. However, I do agree with ""B.S." in the Bible that is used to justify gay bullying". There's been a whole hellofalot more of THAT than anyone going after

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If Savage were directing his comments @ , say... the Phelps clan, from Kansas, I'd even applaud him.

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It was all kids, as it was a HIGH SCHOOL conference. What you heard, IMO, were KIDS reacting to an " adult " , using such language as 'bullshit' in this format. Wooo hoo! Yeah! Get radical, man!!

This wasn't so much that some were in agreement with him, but simply acting like HS kids do, when adults act like children.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Not possible for you to deny the evidence, Kwickie. Not sure what drugs you're taking.

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And the " god hates fags " cult of in-breads from Westboro baptist would be the crowd to speak in such manner. Not HS kids, at a tele-conference , for an anti- bullying program.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Hey all,

Well shoot, I guess I gotta come on out and say it: I’m perfectly fine with what Dan Savage said to these high schoolers, including using the phrase "bullshit in the Bible" several times. What high schoolers need from adults is emotional honesty and rational discourse, and Dan Savage modeled both in his presentation. It is not irrational simply to call out the Bible on its various insanities or to express anger at the way the Good Book has been used to justify violence and oppression.

There is bullshit in the Bible. Everyone knows it and everyone ignores their own version of it. It’s a hallowed American tradition going back at least to Thomas Jefferson who took all of what he considered the Bible’s bullshit out and printed it as “The Jefferson Bible.” The Bible did get slavery wrong (as did much of the human race for millennia) and it did get human sexuality wrong (ditto). The truth hurts, but it’s not bullying.

I gotta say I'm kinda shocked at how prissy some folk here are about "how to talk to teenagers." Really, "bullshit" is off the table for teenagers? Anger is off the table? Most of the teenagers I know are pretty angry people and use any word they feel like. Are y’all familiar with Dan Savage? He is invited to speak to teenagers and college students on a regular basis and he always talks like this. As Stephen Colbert would say: the market has spoken!

And since we’re here, I didn’t think he was trying to be remotely sincere with that apology. He was being HIGHLY ironic, considering the actual beatings and murders that are the subject of his talk. His “beating up the Bible” was merely rhetoric. Does anyone here really think he was saying what he did about slavery and anti-gay bullying to intimidate the good Christians in the audience? Because that would be the only justification you could have for saying he was “bullying” anyone.

The irony I see is that it’s Muslims who are notorious for acting like criticism of their holy book is an act of violence against their person. Now, AURaptor is supporting such posturing when it’s in reference to the Christian Bible. Irony.

And finally, when you look at these kids as they walk past the camera and presumably out of the auditorium in high dudgeon, only a few seem to feel obliged to show outrage. The rest are just walking and talking with their friends like it’s a fire drill. I strongly suspect that the boys and girls who walked out on a Dan Savage speech had planned to do so because they knew damn well what to expect. Ah, politics!

Anyway. Carry on.


HKCavalier

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Not possible for you to deny the evidence, Kwickie. Not sure what drugs you're taking.

And the " god hates fags " cult of in-breads from Westboro baptist would be the crowd to speak in such manner. Not HS kids, at a tele-conference , for an anti- bullying program.

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The sum total of your comments are to bitch about my use of the title " anti bullying czar " and make an non issue of an typo of a word into the focal point of the discussion.

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Kwickie

The sum total of your comments are to bitch about my use of the title " anti bullying czar

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It was in English, you twit. But keep on taking sides w/ a flaming asshole who bullies HS kids. Bravo.

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It was in English, you twit. But keep on taking sides w/ a flaming asshole who bullies HS kids. Bravo.

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...and make an non issue of an typo of a word...

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This selective recall by Savage, to vilify ALL Christians, is intentionally deceitful, intellectually dishonest and imo, cowardly. But then, Dan Savage is a mean spirited, hate filled prick anyways, so it only makes perfect sense.

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ETA - Aside from calling attention to who this pansy ass Savage is, by tying him so closely to the Obama administration ( which he is, btw ), a couple of tidbits to remind everyone of just what a miserable, insufferable militant nut case this man is, here are some highlights -

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On HBO's Real Time With Bill Maher July 15, 2011, during a panel discussion of the debt limit increase negotiations between the U.S. Congress and President Barack Obama, Savage said in a stand-alone remark, "I wish the Republicans were all fucking dead. "

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He also registered and participated in the caucus, which was illegal, as Savage was not an Iowa resident. He was charged and pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of fraudulent voting in a caucus, and was sentenced to a year's probation, 50 hours of community service, and a $750 fine

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Kwickie can't defend this guy. All he can do is dream up inane, false hypotheticals, and claim if this or that were true , then I'd be perfectly fine with them.

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Not only does Kwickie dodge the issues ( again ), he makes up shit completely out of thin air, w/ out one iota of evidence, at all.

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And wasn’t this walk-out staged? Look at those kids in the video, most of them aren’t upset in the least. They’re just taking their cue and doing what they’ve been told. Is that not apparent? So, Dan lost these kids before he even took the stage.

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Hey Pizmo,

I can see how you might disagree, but I think you and I understand the current state of the discourse differently. Gay people in this country are still second class citizens in many contexts, particularly in terms of being bullied and beaten to death on the strength of their sexual identities alone. So, the main purpose of Dan Savage getting up in front of any group to discuss gay bashing is for him to be a gay man speaking openly about gay bashing.

Because that’s his right and in America we recognize people’s rights. We are at a point in our history that exposure is most important. So, these kids were exposed to Dan Savage's ideas. Unedited, and undiluted. And now, thanks to youtube, the whole world has heard him.

And placing the responsibility on Savage to in effect "win these kids over" politicizes his speech in a way that constrains him from expressing ideas too "harshly" or too "emphatically" because such is likely to "upset" these innocent, bigoted children. Mustn't trouble the children with the ugly truth about being gay in this country and the CENTRAL role the Bible has played in the oppression of gays in this country.

So, to say that Dan Savage has failed as a speaker because people walked out on him is to pretend that bigotry had nothing to do with it. It is to say all these kids walked out solely because he was saying “mean things” about their holy book and no child should be subjected to such rudeness, no matter what the reason. It says that because Dan used a naughty word, these kids have no responsibility as citizens in good conscience to hear the gay man out. Fuck him if he can’t play nice. And, indeed, that’s what our nation has done to gay people time and again. Step out of line and we will step on you. He broke the rules in a game that was slanted against him from the get go.

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Hey Pizmo,

I can see how you might disagree, but I think you and I understand the current state of the discourse differently. Gay people in this country are still second class citizens in many contexts, particularly in terms of being bullied and beaten to death on the strength of their sexual identities alone. So, the main purpose of Dan Savage getting up in front of any group to discuss gay bashing is for him to be a gay man speaking openly about gay bashing.

Because that’s his right and in America we recognize people’s rights. We are at a point in our history that exposure is most important. So, these kids were exposed to Dan Savage's ideas. Unedited, and undiluted. And now, thanks to youtube, the whole world has heard him.

And placing the responsibility on Savage to in effect "win these kids over" politicizes his speech in a way that constrains him from expressing ideas too "harshly" or too "emphatically" because such is likely to "upset" these innocent, bigoted children. Mustn't trouble the children with the ugly truth about being gay in this country and the CENTRAL role the Bible has played in the oppression of gays in this country.

So, to say that Dan Savage has failed as a speaker because people walked out on him is to pretend that bigotry had nothing to do with it. It is to say all these kids walked out solely because he was saying “mean things” about their holy book and no child should be subjected to such rudeness, no matter what the reason. It says that because Dan used a naughty word, these kids have no responsibility as citizens in good conscience to hear the gay man out. Fuck him if he can’t play nice. And, indeed, that’s what our nation has done to gay people time and again. Step out of line and we will step on you. He broke the rules in a game that was slanted against him from the get go.

And wasn’t this walk-out staged? Look at those kids in the video, most of them aren’t upset in the least. They’re just taking their cue and doing what they’ve been told. Is that not apparent? So, Dan lost these kids before he even took the stage.

Anyway, that’s how it looks to me.


HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Storybook, I did comment on the topic of that thread. You just didn't like my pointing out that Obama lies all that much more than Santorum ( allegedly ) lies.

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Kwickie can't defend this guy. All he can do is dream up inane, false hypotheticals, and claim if this or that were true , then I'd be perfectly fine with them.

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I haven't tried to defend him. I also haven't tried to side with him, either, but don't let that stop you from lying and saying I have.

Those "inane, false hypotheticals"? Yeah, those kinds of things actually happened, and you couldn't defend them. I guess that means you side with them, right?

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Not only does Kwickie dodge the issues ( again ), he makes up shit completely out of thin air, w/ out one iota of evidence, at all.

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Actually, that would be your stock in trade. Like claiming that Dan Savage is Obama's anti-bullying czar. You pulled that out of your ass (where your head usually resides), and you've repeatedly refused to defend that claim, because you know you were caught lying yet again.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Oh, and for the record - Savage probably was wrong to addres those kids in the manner he did, and most certainly should have used different langaue - but otherwise, he's absolutely right.

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Oh, and for the record - Savage probably was wrong to addres those kids in the manner he did, and most certainly should have used different langaue - but otherwise, he's absolutely right.

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The group of HS journalists were gathered there to hear what ? An angry, militant gay man's rant against Christianity ? Or to hear the positive message of ' It gets better ', for a program to combat bullying ?

You appear , much like Danny boy Savage, to be stuck on stupid.

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