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Man beaten by mob in critical condition
Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:53 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Never heard that he dealt drugs or was a 'gang banger', but isn't it a fact he was kicked out of school for a bag containing weed residue ? Or a very small amount ? You can see how folks could easily jump to the 'dealer' conclusion, even w/ out it being stated. True or not. If Malkin's site did post some pics claiming to be Trayvon, but then took them down, acknowledging the error, how is that 'fanning the flames ' of hate ? How many folks actually saw those pics ( I'm pretty sure I never did ) vs how many heard the 'falsely edited' 9-1-1 call from NBC ?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 6:01 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:If one death results in any city street in America
Quote:In Mobile, Alabama, a white man was hospitalized from a beating by a group of African-Americans after a dispute over the use of the street for a game of basketball. The assault was inexcusably brutal and the police are searching for suspects who deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. But that would not be a sufficiently sensational reaction for the twisted editors at Fox News. They published their stories on Fox News and Fox Nation this way: The facts of this crime are fairly clear. It was an extreme overreaction to a neighborhood argument that concerned only the parties involved. It had absolutely nothing to do with the incident in Florida last month where an unarmed teenager was shot to death while walking home from the market. The only connecting factor was the claim by the victim’s sister that she heard one person say “Now that’s justice for Trayvon.” There have been no other witnesses who have corroborated her account, but even if there were the only significance of it would be that one of the perpetrators was a jerk in addition to being a thug. That’s not how Fox News sees it. Their headline at Fox Nation veritably declares that the hoodlums who committed the assault were a “Justice for Trayvon Mob,” as if it were a political statement emanating from the Florida incident. Nothing in the facts of this crime point to that in even the most remote sense. The headline on Fox News itself states matter-of-factly that the “mob invoked Trayvon.” However there is only one unconfirmed report that a single witness alleged that a single person brought Trayvon’s name into this. That hardly justifies associating the whole mob’s actions with Trayvon. Fox’s headline also implies that this should be designated a hate crime despite any evidence of that being the case. The entire purpose of these overt distortions is to fuel racial animus directed at Trayvon Martin specifically, and to African-Americans generally. There is a stench of incitement in Fox’s words that suggest their desire to stir up other racially motivated crimes or even full-on race riots. It is horribly irresponsible for a so-called news enterprise to sink to these depths of cynicism and antagonism. From the very beginning of the Trayvon Martin incident, Fox News has tried to advance the impression that African-Americans are animals on the verge of erupting into violence. Fox has suggested that riots would occur if George Zimmerman were not arrested, or if he were not convicted. The view at Fox is that African-Americans are incapable of respecting the progress of justice. And even when no riots ensue, Fox can sit back smugly and celebrate having created the impression that civil unrest was narrowly averted. These brazen tactics are designed to manufacture potentially dangerous hostilities and are more at home in the quarters of Klans and racist militias. http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=6946] News reports are suggesting that later today the authorities in Florida will announce charges against Trayvon Martin’s shooter, George Zimmerman. Coverage of this story was handled by Fox News in a manner that is revealing and offensive – and wholly unique to Fox News: This is a journalistic lynching. And note, this is not Fox Nation. It is the mothership, Fox News. The editors at this alleged “news” network are demonstrating their overt hostility to both African-Americans and journalistic ethics. If this picture doesn’t finally establish the overarching prejudice of Fox, it’s hard to know what will. http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=6851 don't recognize it, but you're manipulated by what you read and how it's portrayed, and it affects your thinking. Just as it affects the thinking of those who hear the triggers and respond to them out of their own prejudices; they then post their hatred on the internet, which further spreads the lies and hate mongering to others, and away it goes:Quote:Trayvon Martin was apparently a 17 year old undisciplined punk thug, drug dealing, thief and wannabe gangsta… Today many new facts surrounding Trayvon Martin have been discovered thanks to the New Media doing the work the Institutional Lame Stream Legacy Media refuses to do. In short. This is perhaps the biggest national racial event since Rodney King. It is also shaping up to be the biggest media driven false public story since Richard Jewell. It’s in the process of becoming a watershed event; And it’s almost entirely fake. It’s a tempest in a tea-cup. The whole thing is an institutionally media-generated racialist/communist psychopolitical agitator’s dream come true. When the truth is being presented, one does not have to work so hard to control, portray obfuscate and spin. The media have been working very hard because the media has not been presenting ‘the truth’. But now, against the shere weight of the truthtelling, research, and presentation of facts by the New Media, the Legacy media is beginning to backtrack. Their false construction is crumbling around them. {There followed a version of the Zimmerman/Martin case which mirrors what the attempts to portray him as a "Bad Black" have managed to do. You can read it yourself if you're interested.} But with a full measure of brutal honestly, another is the culpability of his non-engaged parents in creating a morally undisciplined teenager. Their visible outrage now showcased in the media is understandable given their grief. But perhaps a dose of guilt is intertwined. It should be. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-was-apparently-a-17-year-old-undisciplined-punk-thug-drug-dealing-thief-and-wannabe-gangsta/] ETA: I just saw this in a post of yours in another thread. It made me smile, because it's so apropos to what I tried to explain in this post: "About how debunking something actually reinforces one's belief in that thing. ( I know, sounds screwy )"
Quote:Trayvon Martin was apparently a 17 year old undisciplined punk thug, drug dealing, thief and wannabe gangsta… Today many new facts surrounding Trayvon Martin have been discovered thanks to the New Media doing the work the Institutional Lame Stream Legacy Media refuses to do. In short. This is perhaps the biggest national racial event since Rodney King. It is also shaping up to be the biggest media driven false public story since Richard Jewell. It’s in the process of becoming a watershed event; And it’s almost entirely fake. It’s a tempest in a tea-cup. The whole thing is an institutionally media-generated racialist/communist psychopolitical agitator’s dream come true. When the truth is being presented, one does not have to work so hard to control, portray obfuscate and spin. The media have been working very hard because the media has not been presenting ‘the truth’. But now, against the shere weight of the truthtelling, research, and presentation of facts by the New Media, the Legacy media is beginning to backtrack. Their false construction is crumbling around them. {There followed a version of the Zimmerman/Martin case which mirrors what the attempts to portray him as a "Bad Black" have managed to do. You can read it yourself if you're interested.} But with a full measure of brutal honestly, another is the culpability of his non-engaged parents in creating a morally undisciplined teenager. Their visible outrage now showcased in the media is understandable given their grief. But perhaps a dose of guilt is intertwined. It should be. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/03/27/trayvon-martin-was-apparently-a-17-year-old-undisciplined-punk-thug-drug-dealing-thief-and-wannabe-gangsta/] ETA: I just saw this in a post of yours in another thread. It made me smile, because it's so apropos to what I tried to explain in this post: "About how debunking something actually reinforces one's belief in that thing. ( I know, sounds screwy )"
Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:11 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Please direct me to where you've seen the hate fanned from the Right, per the Zimmerman / Martin case, if you could. * I'm ASKING, not dismissing your claim, out of hand. Honestly, I've not seen any evidence myself. * That case didn't have anything to do w/ race, but that's how it was initially spun, and then continued to be spun , with the made up ' WHITE hispanic ' label they gave GZ. The photos that where not Travon, the sites trying to say that Martin was a drug dealer and a gang banger. Drudge and Michele Malkin's site posted those photos. I know Malkin's site correctly took them down an apologized after, but even a mistake such as this can do harm. Never heard that he dealt drugs or was a 'gang banger', but isn't it a fact he was kicked out of school for a bag containing weed residue ? Or a very small amount ? You can see how folks could easily jump to the 'dealer' conclusion, even w/ out it being stated. True or not.
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Please direct me to where you've seen the hate fanned from the Right, per the Zimmerman / Martin case, if you could. * I'm ASKING, not dismissing your claim, out of hand. Honestly, I've not seen any evidence myself. * That case didn't have anything to do w/ race, but that's how it was initially spun, and then continued to be spun , with the made up ' WHITE hispanic ' label they gave GZ. The photos that where not Travon, the sites trying to say that Martin was a drug dealer and a gang banger. Drudge and Michele Malkin's site posted those photos. I know Malkin's site correctly took them down an apologized after, but even a mistake such as this can do harm.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Please direct me to where you've seen the hate fanned from the Right, per the Zimmerman / Martin case, if you could. * I'm ASKING, not dismissing your claim, out of hand. Honestly, I've not seen any evidence myself. * That case didn't have anything to do w/ race, but that's how it was initially spun, and then continued to be spun , with the made up ' WHITE hispanic ' label they gave GZ.
Quote: If Malkin's site did post some pics claiming to be Trayvon, but then took them down, acknowledging the error, how is that 'fanning the flames ' of hate ? How many folks actually saw those pics ( I'm pretty sure I never did ) vs how many heard the 'falsely edited' 9-1-1 call from NBC ?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Niki - And this... Quote: If one death results in any city street in America as a result of this case, it will not be because of George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, it will be because of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, CBS, ABC and the blood thirsty news media that thrives on burning cities and innocent dead people. Don’t tell me I am on a rant, I have seen this happen in the bowels of Miami with a similar scenario, building up exactly like this is being built up. How is that, in any way, 'fanning hate' ? It's being honest, direct, and to the point.
Quote: If one death results in any city street in America as a result of this case, it will not be because of George Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, it will be because of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, CBS, ABC and the blood thirsty news media that thrives on burning cities and innocent dead people. Don’t tell me I am on a rant, I have seen this happen in the bowels of Miami with a similar scenario, building up exactly like this is being built up.
Quote:If one death results in any street in Tucson as a result of this , it will not be because of Democratic policies, it will be because of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Fox, and the blood thirsty right-wing media that thrives on killing innocent liberal people. Don’t tell me I am on a rant, I have seen this happen with a similar scenario, building up exactly like this is being built up.
Thursday, April 26, 2012 10:15 AM
OONJERAH
Thursday, April 26, 2012 12:22 PM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Really? So an empty beer bottle in your truck makes you a bootlegger, then? I mean, you can see how folks could easily jump to that conclusion, right?
Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:07 PM
Friday, April 27, 2012 11:24 AM
Friday, April 27, 2012 11:45 AM
Quote: Quote Kwicko: "Coors beer shouldn't legally be sold anywhere." So! Do you mean that Coors beer should be Given Away? *baiting* Is it OK to use it as hair rinse after shampoo?
Friday, April 27, 2012 2:26 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by Oonjerah: meh, I have some issues with this sort of stuff. It gets very murky regarding responsibility. Should the bottom line be that we are all responsible for our own actions, unless we claim severe impairment or mental illness? I can get angry about something, but its my choice what i do with that anger. Beating someone up because of anger or frustration is a choice. Magons, in your work, you must have met many people who have a very hard time 1) under- standing their responsibilities as an adult, & 2) being/becoming able to make the right choices. I am driving my car thru a rich neigborhood at night; I arrive at my destination and park. I walk into a building there. Chances are, I can do that 1,000 times without getting mugged. Because it's a protected, safe neighborhood. I am sitting at a bus stop in a ghetto 1 block off of skid row at 2:00 a.m. The bus is late again, & I have to wait 15 minutes, alone. Chances are, I can do that 20 times before I get mugged. Mugging is against the law, and I don't deserve to be mugged. Why does the mugger make a bad choice and mug me? He's responsible and deserves jail. But I am responsible too. If I am often in the wrong place at the wrong time, I will get hurt from time to time. While I am lying on the sidewalk, bruised and bleeding, what satis- faction do I get saying, "Well, this was the mugger's fault. He has to be responsible" ? None at all. The satisfaction comes when I leave that place and never go back. There are a lot of bad, crime-ridden neighborhoods in the world, in America. Many of the tenants there are decent enough; but nearly all of them are poor and broken and make a lot of bad choices. Only a few of them will move on to a better life. How come? Because what should be and what is aren't always the same. I feel Matthew Owens may be living in such a place. A murky place.
Friday, April 27, 2012 3:15 PM
Quote: Owens and the suspect have had an ongoing feud since 2009, according to the DA's Office.
Quote: Neighbors say Matthew Owens chased off a group of black kids with kitchen knives after the boys lost a basketball in his sister's yard. He was attacked by as many as 20 people with chairs, pipes and paint cans a short time later. Based on the accusations forom angry neighbors, News 5 did some digging and learned Owens has a violent track record. The Mobile County Metro Jail log shows police have arrested Owens numerous times over the past 12 years for things like domestic violence, assault and sex abuse. His first arrest was November 4, 1990 for assault. The last time officers transported Owens to jail was last March on a domestic violence charge ..... "Every single day it's a problem with Mr. Owens concerning our kids," Lemika Whisenhunt. "All these kids do is shoot basketball. We keep 'em in the yard. They don't bother anybody. We'd rather them play basketball than to be around here vandalizing, breaking into people's homes. We try to bring our kids up the right way and show people that all black kids are not bad."
Quote: This latest Mobile incident has an antecedent in the Martin shooting. Which was whipped into a media frenzy, and we have a few here who are just as culpable, by initially trying to paint the incident as a black/white race issue.
Friday, April 27, 2012 3:21 PM
Quote: Seems this story isn't quite what we first thought...
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:02 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: No, I mean it's a weapon of mass destruction, responsible for thousands of deaths. (And I'm kind of joking, too.)
Quote:Because the efficiency of a nuclear ramjet increases with temperature, "the hotter, the better" became Merkle's motto for the reactor, code-named "Tory." But at Tory's operating temperature of 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit, even high-temperature alloys would become white-hot and lose structural strength. So Merkle asked a Colorado-based porcelain company named Coors to manufacture ceramic fuel elements that could stand the heat and provide even temperature distribution in the reactor. The centerpiece of the Pluto effort, the Tory reactor was designed to be durable but compact enough to fly. The company is well known today for a much different product: while making ceramic-lined vats for breweries around the country, Adolph Coors realized that he might be in the wrong business. Although the Coors Porcelain Company continued to make porcelain -- including all of the nearly 500,000 pencil-shaped fuel elements used in the Tory reactor -- the brewery Adolph Coors opened near his ceramics factory soon became the tail that wagged the dog.
Monday, April 30, 2012 10:09 PM
Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:50 AM
CAVETROLL
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Coors beer shouldn't legally be sold anywhere.
Tuesday, May 1, 2012 1:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Seems this story isn't quite what we first thought...or what the author of this thread liked to think
Tuesday, May 1, 2012 3:53 PM
Tuesday, May 1, 2012 4:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Seems this story isn't quite what we first thought...or what the author of this thread liked to think Imagine that - a rush to judgment by the right-whingers here. Gosh, I'll try to hide my surprise... "I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
Tuesday, May 1, 2012 5:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Seems this story isn't quite what we first thought...or what the author of this thread liked to think Imagine that - a rush to judgment by the right-whingers here. Gosh, I'll try to hide my surprise... "I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions Yeah, we're all still reeling over the "Racism is dead... bullshit" thread about Zimmerman and Martin. Back when it was presumed to be about white on black violence.
Thursday, May 3, 2012 4:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: If I recall correctly, Niki modified her position as further facts were revealed. Are you saying you're doing the same, and admitting you were wrong?
Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: If I recall correctly, Niki modified her position as further facts were revealed. Are you saying you're doing the same, and admitting you were wrong? Absolutely not. I stand by the original purpose of this thread, to show that actions have consequences. Fanning the flames of hate means that someone, somewhere, will seize upon your spin to use it as justification for their actions against another.
Friday, May 4, 2012 3:44 PM
Friday, May 4, 2012 4:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: Kwicko, has anyone ever told you that you are irrational and paranoid? Did they throw you out of Democratic Underground or did you leave on your own?
Monday, May 21, 2012 5:31 PM
Monday, May 21, 2012 6:23 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: I don't recall anyone here making it about race Well, the first thread about the Trayvon Martin shooting was titled: Quote:"Racism is dead in America." Bullshit http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=51371 and it ran to six pages. Some quotes: "Nobody's posted about this one, perhaps because it represents a common enough occurrence that we don't pay much attention. But I've been following it, and it's not only outrageous, it's another example of the fact that racisim isn't only alive and well in America, it's allowed." "This is terrible. Even if we imagine that the perpetrator is a hard-core racist, I find the story shocking." "And, not to distract from the article, on the broader topic of this thread - if racism was really dead - this wouldn't be a hot selling bumper sticker:"
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: I don't recall anyone here making it about race
Quote:"Racism is dead in America." Bullshit
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:38 AM
DREAMTROVE
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 AM
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