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GOP's "faux anger" is all the rage

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Monday, May 7, 2012 18:23
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Friday, May 4, 2012 5:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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You would think that President Obama's surprise trip to Afghanistan yesterday and speech to the troops would have quieted -- at least for one night -- the latest installment of the GOP's "Faux Anger Chronicles." While most of the president's critics were silent or praised him for the trip, others didn't disappoint in following along with the fad.

Faux anger: It's all the rage. At least in politics.

The president's speech honored and thanked our troops, reviewed our strength and resolve in Afghanistan and in killing Osama bin Laden -- who planned the 9/11 tragedy in that country -- and also in getting rid of 20 of 30 of al Qaeda's top lieutenants.

It provided a slight break in the action from the GOP temper tantrum that began earlier this week. That one was over the Obama campaign's ad, which had the audacity in using the president's decision to move forward on the raid to bring down Osama bin Laden, no doubt a tremendous accomplishment for the administration and the country. The ad appalled GOP critics because we all know the Republicans would never have "gone there."

Oh wait, they would and they have. Do we remember 9/11? With President Bush holding the megaphone, standing atop the rubble of ground zero? With caskets draped in the U.S. flag? These were not postcards being sold on the street corners of NYC to commemorate the event that changed our lives forever. These were images of President Bush's 2004 campaign ads. Back then of course, Democrats cried foul, and Republicans stood their ground. {And of course, Bush parading around in a flight suit with the huge "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him doesn't count, of course...}

The difference now is that Democrats have taken a page right out of the Republican playbook, using strength on foreign policy to remind people of the courageous decision Obama -- a Democrat --made, ordering the raid on the bin Laden compound in Pakistan (more on that later). The Republicans don't much like being shown up on what has historically been their turf.

As I say to my children whenever they throw a temper tantrum: tough noogies. Deal with it. Those who worked for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 and saw their candidate get bloodied by George W. Bush and allies have even harsher words.

If the tables were turned, does anyone think Republicans wouldn't have used this accomplishment? No. Does anyone think that if -- God forbid -- the mission had gone sour, Obama's opponents would not have used it as the No. 1 reason to get him out of office? No.

This is exactly what happened to Jimmy Carter and why it is so bizarre that Mitt Romney actually brought up Carter in his response when asked if he would have ordered the mission to kill bin Laden. We know Jimmy Carter would have, because he did order a difficult mission like this before. Unfortunately, Operation Eagle Claw failed, as did Carter's presidency because of it.

What we don't know is whether Mitt Romney would have ordered the bin Laden raid. According to Mitt Romney in 2008, he actually wouldn't have done so under the exact same circumstances that President Obama said he would and in fact did.

Let's remember that after the George W. Bush administration went into Tora Bora looking for bin Laden and didn't find him, the search took a back seat to going into Iraq and getting Saddam Hussein. Bush actually de-prioritized the search for Osama bin Laden. And this became the line that many Republican candidates would follow in the 2008 campaign.

Before then, in 2007, Mitt Romney had said he would not move heaven and Earth to find Osama bin Laden. He did clarify his statements a couple days later and also in a debate, saying that getting bin Laden was important, but so was focusing on other top tier al Qaeda leaders. But the more damning statement came afterward, when he strongly criticized then-Sen. Obama for saying he would go into Pakistan to get bin Laden without the help of the Pakistanis if he had actionable intelligence to do so. Romney called those statements "ill-timed" and "ill-considered."

Mitt Romney needs to learn that words matter. When he says in no uncertain terms that he would not in fact order a mission in Pakistan without the knowledge of the Pakistanis, and then criticizes his opponent for saying he would, why should we not judge him on exactly those words?

So Mr. Romney, if you would like to now take back those words and concede you were wrong, you should do so. But don't expect the American people to buy into your faux anger when your opponent is questioning how you would have acted when you yourself have provided the words that lead to that legitimate doubt.

Additionally, the Romney campaign and Mr. Romney himself is saying any president would have made the same decision President Obama did. Not true. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said he thought it was "gutsy" and one of the most courageous calls he has seen a president make. The intelligence available at the time was 50-50 at best that bin Laden was even in that compound. Vice President Biden said he had advised against it and that in fact the only person in that room that told the president to go was then CIA Director Leon Panetta.

So in the infamous words of the GOP's beloved Newt Gingrich: Spare me the pious baloney. Or at least the faux anger -- even if it is politics' newest fashion craze. http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/02/opinion/cardona-faux-gop-anger/index.htm
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to it being "all the rage", it really is, and in the absolutely MOST overblown manner they can come up with. It STILL astonishes me, even after all that's happened, to hear them talk the way they do.
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Former Republican presidential nominee Rick Perry said the country can look forward to international debacles and bankruptcy if Mitt Romney doesn’t unseat President Obama in the fall.

“Mitt – he’s going to be our nominee, we are going to be behind him and God help us if he doesn’t win,” Perry said Thursday on Fox News Channel’s Your World with Neil Cavuto.

Perry continued. “Mitt Romney has to win this presidential election in November of 2012 or our country truly is going to be on the precipice of bankruptcy and international affairs that I will suggest to you none of us are going to like.”

Perry also compared Obama to former one-term Democratic President Jimmy Carter, who Republicans frequently attack as a historically weak president.

“I never thought there would be anybody that would make Jimmy Carter look good. Barack Obama is doing it,” Perry said.

This is the guy who said of Romney in JANUARY:
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Rick Perry asserted on Tuesday that both former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Bain Capital, the firm he founded, were "vultures" for preying on distressed companies.

During a town hall event in Fort Mill, S.C, the Texas governor amplified an attack on Romney that's being made by a super PAC which supports former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. The Super PAC's film “When Mitt Romney Came to Town” accuses the Republican frontrunner of “looting” companies during his time as the head of Bain Capital.

"I will suggest they're just vultures," Perry told supporters, according to Politico. "They're vultures that are sitting out there on the tree limb, waiting for a company to get sick. And then they swoop in, they eat the carcass, they leave with that and they leave the skeleton." http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/perry-says-romney-bain-capit
al-are-vultures

All the nasty things Perry said about Romney are, of course, water under the bridge now...it's surreal. But it's the "fashion" of the day, incredible as that seems.

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Friday, May 4, 2012 6:26 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
This is the guy who said of Romney in JANUARY



Do you mean JANUARY 2012? When they were in the middle of the REPUBLICAN PRIMARY?

You mean like HILLARY CLINTON'S "3:00 am PHONE CALL" ad during the 2008 DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY?



Too bad she and Obama couldn't get along after that.


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Friday, May 4, 2012 6:28 AM

STORYMARK


Im glad Geezer found some tiny statement to take issue with so he still feels relevant, while ignoring the real content of the post.

Gotta love the righties!

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Friday, May 4, 2012 7:43 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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If the tables were turned, does anyone think Republicans wouldn't have used this accomplishment? No. Does anyone think that if -- God forbid -- the mission had gone sour, Obama's opponents would not have used it as the No. 1 reason to get him out of office? No.

I don't love the idea of milking the Bin Laden killing for political capital, but who can argue with the above quote?

And the fact is Obama's toughness in taking on Al Qaeda extends beyond this one decision - he's fought them pretty aggressively and ruthlessly (with drone strikes etc.) throughout his time in office.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, May 4, 2012 10:13 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Story: Yup.

KPO: Yup.

Geezer: You're sad.



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Friday, May 4, 2012 1:04 PM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer: You're sad.



And from the rate you post threads, you're the new PN.

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Friday, May 4, 2012 1:14 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Geezer: You're sad.



And from the rate you post threads, you're the new PN.




And from the tone of your replies, you're the new Rappy. Or Wulfie. Take your pick.

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Friday, May 4, 2012 3:53 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


And yes, rage is all the rage. How dare the Democrats try to take advantage of poor Osama bin Laden like that! Everybody knows that the GOP would *NEVER* try to use any kind of military accomplishment for political purposes!







"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Friday, May 4, 2012 4:04 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


File this under - " We can't deal w/ the facts, so we'll spin it like hell, and hope to confuse everyone ".

The Left called genuine, actual grass roots events by the TEA Party 'astro turf ', in an attempt to discret their sincerity and it was hoped, effectiveness.

Then, when the 100% phony, contrived and artificial 'Occupy' nonsense started, the propagandists on the Left ( like Pelosi ) tried to tell the public that THIS was 'spontaneous, focused and that it was going to be effective' . None of which was remotely close to the truth.

And so we have more of the same, from the Left.

Up is down, right is wrong, and the Left is running out of ideas.

Seems buying off the people with free govt goodies hasn't worked out quite like they had hoped.

Pity.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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Friday, May 4, 2012 4:33 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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And from the rate you post threads, you're the new PN.
You just hafta laugh...never noticed I put up about four or five threads, any given day, on things I think might be of interest to others (or get under your skin, that works too), eh?

As to Raptor's post... He's just so damned cuuuute!



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Friday, May 4, 2012 4:36 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



Seems buying off the Pentagon and Wall Street with free govt goodies hasn't worked out quite like they had hoped, either, eh?





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Saturday, May 5, 2012 3:02 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Storymark:
Im glad Geezer found some tiny statement to take issue with so he still feels relevant, while ignoring the real content of the post.




Hey, if you and Mike can do it...

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Saturday, May 5, 2012 3:35 AM

WHOZIT


Do you libs watch MSNBC? Of course you do, they practically invented anger. All Sarah Palin has to do is go shoe shopping and they're all PISSED! You fucking libs are pissed ALL THE TIME!! For God's sake drink a couple of beers eat something with "meat" in it and AND IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT'S HOLY SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR AWHILE!! All you libs do is bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch and bitch...etc

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Saturday, May 5, 2012 12:32 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Im glad Geezer found some tiny statement to take issue with so he still feels relevant, while ignoring the real content of the post.




Hey, if you and Mike can do it...




You realize we're just mocking you and Rappy when we do that, right? After all, you two have the patent on that shit! That, and assigning people positions and beliefs, and then acting all butt-hurt when you think someone's doing that to you.





"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

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Monday, May 7, 2012 2:42 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You realize we're just mocking you and Rappy when we do that, right?



So all you and Story do here is mock me and Auraptor?

Tell, you what. From now on we'll just take it as read, and you can save the electricity.

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Monday, May 7, 2012 6:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
You realize we're just mocking you and Rappy when we do that, right? After all, you two have the patent on that shit! That, and assigning people positions and beliefs, and then acting all butt-hurt when you think someone's doing that to you.



That's flat out delusional right there. Those tactics and M.O. are entirely yours alone, Kwickie.

But bravo on the projectionism. You've got that part nailed down proper.



" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein


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