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The Self Destructive Actions (or inactions) of the Owners of America

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:20 AM

CHRISISALL


The richest of the rich are like the brain in your body. Blood is like money. Now if the brain decides it wants nearly all the blood for itself, it can make that happen. But what happens to the rest of the body... and then what ultimately happens to the brain?

Do these rich assholes REALLY wanna live through a violent revolution? They don't GET that when the peasants have nothing to lose, the quality of life THEY have is at severe risk.
We're about to see Round 2 with global recession. The Feudal times REALLY need to be over now, and the mindset HAS to change from "I must be the leader in profit" to "Pretty damn rich is good enough."

'Doing well' will HAVE to do, and soon, or this really WILL be the end of the 'good times.'

Thoughts?

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:25 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


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Now if the brain decides it wants nearly all the blood for itself


Hello,

My understanding is that the brain actually does do this in the human body. That is, I have been told that the largest percentage of energy resources in the body are used by the brain.

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:45 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Do these rich assholes REALLY wanna live through a violent revolution? They don't GET that when the peasants have nothing to lose, the quality of life THEY have is at severe risk.



The rich assholes will have no problem getting through a revolution, and quite comfortably...

Unfortunately, the peasants still can afford shit like smartphones and Burger King and cable. For there to be an uprising of any kind, the peasants would need to be way more uncomfortable than they are complacent, and I don't see that happening any time soon...Look at the UK...one month rioting in the burning streets, and the next happily celebrating 60 years of rule of the rediculous outdated notion of "Noble Birthright" ....Somnambulent public is right...

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 8:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


I wholeheartedly agree, and also agree that if something doesn't change, revolutions await us.

Anthony, it's an analogy, in the first place, and I think you understand that. Secondly, from what I find, "
Approximately 20% of the blood flowing from the heart is pumped to the brain." It also requires 20% of the oxygen taken in by the body.

What if the brain keeps getting more and more of the blood, until there isn't enough for the rest of the body? What happens then? Because that is what's happening; the discrepancy between the rich and poor is getting larger and larger, and is already at an enormous amount. If the rest of the body gets starved more and more of blood, how does it function? I think that's what Chris is trying to say.

Throughout history, when things get too bad for the majority of the people, revolutions ensue. No, Chris, I don't understand why they don't "get" it, it seems the height of stupidity not to realize what a disaster it is for everyone--including them--when their greed becomes so enormouss that it "starves" the rest of the "body" of what it needs to survive. The only thing I can imagine is that it keeps working for them, so they blind themselves to the recognition that it won't ALWAYS keep working for them.

I, too, fear for the future.


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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:15 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

....Somnambulent public is right...

I don't know, Wish... Occupy Wall St... and that started when things were BETTER than they're going to be...

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:29 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:

....Somnambulent public is right...

I don't know, Wish... Occupy Wall St... and that started when things were BETTER than they're going to be...

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives



Hello,

I think if our standards are moved by degrees, in stages, we will relax into an apathetic malaise. It will require a sudden and drastic shift to wake up the dragon. I am not sure yet whether or not the changes will be sudden or whether they will manifest over enough time for us to adapt to the new levels of pain and consider them normal.

--Anthony


Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:30 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


They don't get it because there is little to get. Sure we've had the occupy movement, but that has died down. People are not to the point of being pissed off enough to take real action. You can't get enough people to boycott large corporation or banks for them to give a damn. You can't get people to vote out incumbents or some case even find people willing to run against them.

People are mad, just not made enough yet to really do anything meaningful yet.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 9:38 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


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Anthony, it's an analogy, in the first place, and I think you understand that. Secondly, from what I find, "
Approximately 20% of the blood flowing from the heart is pumped to the brain." It also requires 20% of the oxygen taken in by the body.



Hello,

I understood the analogy. In my body, the brain consumes about 20 times its entitled portion if that portion is divided by weight. (My brain comprising ~ 1% body weight versus the 99% of my total weight.)

Of course, it was not always thus. At one time in evolutionary history, the brain may have only consumed 2% of the resources. Then 5%. Then 7%. And so on and so on. And our body adapted because it was a slow progression over time. One may wonder what the ultimate equilibrium will be in the human being. We have not finished evolving yet, I hope.

--Anthony








Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:22 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Pour punir les oppresseurs de l'humanité est clémence ; leur pardonner c'est cruauté.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 12:26 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important


Hello,

I appallingly typed 'French to Human' in google to find a translator before discovering my error. I wonder if I have some subconscious issues with the French.

To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; forgive them is cruelty.

Interesting viewpoint.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - women who want to control their reproductive processes are sluts.
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.
Never forget what these men are.
“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 4:44 PM

WISHIMAY


I frelling hated French class, the teacher was an arrogant witch. So was my second year Spanish teacher... I still wish them ill. One sent me to the principals office for taking a deep breath, and the other kicked me out of the class permanently for not filling in the last couple answers on a test.
Hubby calls me a "natural multiplier" in that whatever mood the person I'm with is in- I karmically magnify it....Certainly explains my whole life... I guess I'm like the pink slime from Ghostbusters 2


There will never be a cohesive revolution. Why? Because there will always be people who are comforable with their life and who live in rose-colored glasses, and will do anything to see that it never changes, and there will always be people who say "anything you replace a system with probably will be worse so why bother..." And I'm not so sure they're wrong. I haven't much faith in the general public to do anything well.

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 4:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:

Do these rich assholes REALLY wanna live through a violent revolution? They don't GET that when the peasants have nothing to lose, the quality of life THEY have is at severe risk.



The rich assholes will have no problem getting through a revolution, and quite comfortably...

Unfortunately, the peasants still can afford shit like smartphones and Burger King and cable. For there to be an uprising of any kind, the peasants would need to be way more uncomfortable than they are complacent, and I don't see that happening any time soon...Look at the UK...one month rioting in the burning streets, and the next happily celebrating 60 years of rule of the rediculous outdated notion of "Noble Birthright" ....Somnambulent public is right...



Yep... Wish summed it all up there quite nicely....

The only reason that Turban wearing bastards board planes with bombs up their or their dog's asses is because they have nothing but the sand in their ass cracks and the sand to piss in to.

Forget anything the media said, nobody under 80 is old enough to understand what going through a true American Depression is all about...


The day that my sometimes seemingly feral brother bites my hand because he feels he can "make out" on it, that's the day when my barometer swings the other way and says we're all F-D!



Until that time comes, there are far too many handouts left for anyone to be bitching.....



If it's a pre-emptive strike you're about Chris, I'm on board.... Just don't expect the "blob" to go along with it yet. There are far too many people still being adiquitly taken care of and babied by the Government for you to get any real numbers on your side.

Consider me on standby when the bow of this ship of sinking fools collapses.

I'm your guy.....

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 5:51 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Consider me on standby when the bow of this ship of sinking fools collapses.

I'm your guy.....

Cool. BTW, Six String Samurai still ROCKS!!!!! Anyone who hasn't seen it yet is a squid.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Tuesday, June 5, 2012 6:03 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

I appallingly typed 'French to Human' in google to find a translator before discovering my error. I wonder if I have some subconscious issues with the French.

To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; forgive them is cruelty.

Interesting viewpoint.


It's a direct quote from Robespierre.

One might remember I am of a mind that forgiveness to a sociopath is simply enabling them, something the evidence wholly supports in how much of Nixons sleazebag hangers on slimed in under Reagan and later congealed under Bush, when they *should* have been fully investigated, charged, convicted and thrown under the prison, and I sincerely hope Ford is burning in hell for that pardon - for all the excuses that did bite us on the ass, you know.

And people forgive and forget, and the same cabal more or less, sleazes back into power, and every time, EVERY SINGLE TIME we wind up in an all-but-shooting-war over their massive assault on civil rights, human rights, common decency, moral standards and everything that made the not-often-lived-up-to IDEA of America worth a damn in the first place.
And when we finally "win", usually by a sliver - all around us generations of collateral damage to society, to empathy, to our legal system, and we never ever manage to regain all the ground we lost...

So it's kind of like a decaying orbit, in that eventually the total plunge is gonna happen, and every goddamn time we let them slide draws it ever close, ever more inevitable.

Lemme ask you this, all of you.

If the choice comes between the social upheaval, massive collateral fallout, and appalling horrors of a Robespierrian purge - OR - a Stalinesque purge as those not important or useful to the cabal get marched to the camps and gulags...
Which would YOU choose ?
You don't have to tell me, I just want you to think about it.

Cause see, the other guys, they didn't leave the choice in your hands, they MADE it you or them.
Decide, then act.

And that's all I will say to it.

-Frem

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 5:05 AM

BYTEMITE


Well, the economy is basically a cosmic joke. Big businesses essentially mint money for themselves, but if that money isn't represented in the real world by an actual product, exchange, or trade, that money is meaningless. So you can argue that yes, people can keep on earning money and have the mindset where earning money is the only thing that matters and it doesn't matter how, but logically there is an upper limit on how much the rich can actually earn before it plateaus. Eventually the gap between estimated/projected wealth and actual wealth becomes transparent, and the house of cards falls.

It's not even something you have to enforce, and even though it seems like a big deal to all of us and even though currently the rich can use their fake monopoly play money to buy whatever they want, including laws, if you think about it none of them actually have that much wealth, or are all that much different from less wealthy Americans, because the only money that matters is what is in circulation and has real world value.

As an entertaining aside, there's all this alarmism about the human race getting dumber when the opposite is actually true. IQ values are adjusted every few years for a higher baseline average, which suggests the average person is actually getting better at critical thinking, and not worse. It's counter-intuitive to what we're seeing in reality so I suspect it's more of an inherent thing, not anything we're actually seeing the end results of. Yet.

But essentially, I think the hardship and competition among the general public is actually honing them and the more propaganda is used on the people, the more resistant they slowly become. The harder they push, hold on tight, the more the TPTB are unwittingly creating their own downfall.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 6:29 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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You can't get people to vote out incumbents or some case even find people willing to run against them
And in the case of the recent Tea Party revolt, sometimes they get mad enough to vote incumbents out, without paying attention to who they're replacing them WITH.
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I haven't much faith in the general public to do anything well.
Moi aussi.

People talk about both parties being polarized, but what they don't see is that our country has been pushed more and more to the right for decades. When the "right" is so far right, "moderate" looks "liberal". As many have said, previous Republicans wouldn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected today, including and especially their "god" Reagan.

I don't see any hope of a revolution in America. For one thing, we're just too big and too spread out. And yes, Marin is the illustration of what you wrote; too many people here are still too comfortable to stand with us. As long as that is so, changes will continue to be incremental (tho' more and more obvious all the time) and we will continue moving to the right, as I see it.

Kind of amusingly (tho' not so at the time), Wish, I had similar experiences. My original goal was to be a French teacher myself...there were only two French teachers in my high school, and only one taught French IV. She was a priss, an egotistical bitch, and took a dislike to me from the minute I entered her French III class. At the end, she told me that (although I'd always had high grades in her class), if I came back for French IV, she'd fail me, no matter what. There went my dream of being a French teacher...


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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 6:39 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

I don't see any hope of a revolution in America. For one thing, we're just too big and too spread out.


Russia had a revolution. CHINA has revolutions, though they keep getting stamped out (one day they won't).

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. You don't even necessarily need big armies, just a smart mobile group that knows how to communicate better than the existing powers. TPTB are still learning the internet, for crying out loud.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 4:46 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Consider me on standby when the bow of this ship of sinking fools collapses.

I'm your guy.....

Cool. BTW, Six String Samurai still ROCKS!!!!! Anyone who hasn't seen it yet is a squid.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives



If you haven't seen Six String Samurai yet, you're what the squid feeds off of

If you liked that movie, check out National Lampoon's "Beach Party at the Threshold of Hell". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0443441/

It only got a 4.0 rating from nearly 400 users, but F that.... It's the same pool of people who only gave Six String Samurai a 6.5 out of over 4,000 votes. It was an awesome movie. I really hope it's continued at some point like they promised at the end.

I downloaded it thinking it was going to be some mindless NL flick like "Pledge This!", but I was amazed at the story. Too bad for the story that National Lampoon's brand has become a joke since it's "Animal House" glory days. It really was a good movie.


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Originally posted by Niki2:
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You can't get people to vote out incumbents or some case even find people willing to run against them
And in the case of the recent Tea Party revolt, sometimes they get mad enough to vote incumbents out, without paying attention to who they're replacing them WITH.
Quote:

I haven't much faith in the general public to do anything well.
Moi aussi.

People talk about both parties being polarized, but what they don't see is that our country has been pushed more and more to the right for decades. When the "right" is so far right, "moderate" looks "liberal". As many have said, previous Republicans wouldn't stand a chance in hell of getting elected today, including and especially their "god" Reagan.

I don't see any hope of a revolution in America. For one thing, we're just too big and too spread out. And yes, Marin is the illustration of what you wrote; too many people here are still too comfortable to stand with us. As long as that is so, changes will continue to be incremental (tho' more and more obvious all the time) and we will continue moving to the right, as I see it.

Kind of amusingly (tho' not so at the time), Wish, I had similar experiences. My original goal was to be a French teacher myself...there were only two French teachers in my high school, and only one taught French IV. She was a priss, an egotistical bitch, and took a dislike to me from the minute I entered her French III class. At the end, she told me that (although I'd always had high grades in her class), if I came back for French IV, she'd fail me, no matter what. There went my dream of being a French teacher...

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Niki... where do you get this from?????

JFK was a Democrat.... In my eyes, he was one the second most TRUE Republicans (see: NOT Neocon) we've ever had in the 19th and 20th century combined. The only other above him would be Reagan.

Everything is Liberal today, even Bush Jr was pushing things through that Obama never repealed. As far as I'm concerned, GBW and Obama's administrations were on the same team, and they're squarely aligned against WE, The People!

Just keep watching that hypnotic pendulum the media swings Left and Right and Left and Right and Blue and Red and Left and Right and Blue and Red and Blue and Red and Left and Right.....

Obey the Media....

That has already consumed our last 12 years, 4 of Obama and 8 of GBW before him....

Meanwhile, Obama doesn't stand a chance of being re-elected now, and the Republican voters have already bought into the hypnotism and voted in a Congressionally approved Republican contender... which means though it might not be as bad as the last 4 years, nothing is going to get any better.



JFK was an accident. He was the first Catholic president ever voted in. Any "silver certificate" dollars you've ever seen in the past (with a blue stamp on them) were thanks to him. He wanted to at least have our dollar tied to Silver, and I believe that is why he was ultimately murdered...

Reagan was an accident. The actor from "Bedtime for Bonzo" (1951) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043325/ gave us over 20 years (most of my life) believing that US currency was the end-all-be-all and that 3rd world country members would eternally whore themselves out for American dollars because they were worth so much.....



All of that being said, the last President we've ever had with any Presidential qualities was Bill Clinton, and that's why they bastardized him with the sex scandal.... We can't look back and commend a job well done in the presidential seat.... no, sir....

In my lifetime the only 2 good presidents were Reagan and Clinton.

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 5:04 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
In my lifetime the only 2 good presidents were Reagan and Clinton.


Clinton was almost good. Reagan was almost the guy making decisions.
MY lifetime? Well, I was *alive* during JFK- he didn't suck as bad as most... he got Monroe- better than some intern...

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 5:17 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


The day that my sometimes seemingly feral brother bites my hand because he feels he can "make out" on it



Heh. I do not think that means what I thought that meant, Inigo...



Niki, I'd be nice if school systems actualy worked to replace teachers who go apeshit for no reason. I had some truly great teachers, but, my gawd I had some bad ones. And it's not gettin any better, my kid's kindergarten teacher was an ignorant witch, too.

To Frem. Hmm, I don't see "hermit" anywhere on that list...I'd be a damn good one, too I know a place nobody'd find me for decades...

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Wednesday, June 6, 2012 5:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
In my lifetime the only 2 good presidents were Reagan and Clinton.


Clinton was almost good. Reagan was almost the guy making decisions.
MY lifetime? Well, I was *alive* during JFK- he didn't suck as bad as most... he got Monroe- better than some intern...

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives



Dude.... I'm much more on board with the Rethug line, but I'm the first to say that Clinton was overall awesome...

"Fetishes" are a funny thing... Ask any "chubby-chaser" or any other kink fetishist out there... chances are 1 in 4 of the adult people you know are a closet fetishist....

JFK just happened to live in an era with very little cameras and oversight.... These days, D-Listers show up in every OK Magazine if news is slow....

Clinton could have had a Prime Sharon Stone in his day, but that was not possible from a PR perspective in the late 90's.

Good for Clinton for having a good time and it's a shame that it was any of our business. I hope that Hillary was finding a good time herself....


The whole business was bad PR for our country world wide, in my opinion... and yes, I'm defending 100% a Democratic president here.... He was a good man and a good president aside from that unnecessary drama.

Marriage is boring and grows cold and old much sooner than our bodies do.




I'll just dismiss your dismissive comment about Reagan as being a Democrat not acknowledging a good Republican president and not hold it against you.


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


The day that my sometimes seemingly feral brother bites my hand because he feels he can "make out" on it



Heh. I do not think that means what I thought that meant, Inigo...



Hehe....

No double entendre meant here....

My bro didn't leave bite marks on my body at 4AM while lunatic raving drunk because he wanted to "make out" with those parts....

He was an "adult" and didn't want me around telling him how he should behave anymore, and after he scratched my face like wolverine (which fortunately didn't scar) and bit a hole in my tummy that will never be un-scarred, he called the cops on me that morning. He broke my nose that night too, and before he passed out in his chair between a bottle of Vodka and a choke-hold by my hand, he was wearing my nose-blood all over his head and face. He wore that battle paint for 8 hours, dried and cracking, before going down to the apartment management and the cops were called. I woke up in the morning to 2 female cops and one male cop knocking at the door.

The two female cops HATED me and probably would have put me in the pokey state prison for 2 years if it were there call. Fortunately, the male cop realized that a brother who would go to management and walk around with 8 hour dried blood on his face that wasn't his before showering probably had a lot of unresolved issues of his own......


Long story short, no charges were pressed against me, and he didn't lose his apartment rights due to the "no domestic disturbance" policy they had after I pleaded to let him stay. 2 months later, he ran out of money and he now lives with my Dad who somehow seems to be the only person who can positively effect his life....



Anyway Wish.... It wasn't a joke when I said it, although I realize after your post it could be taken two ways....

I don't envy my Dad... or my Step-Mom...

Somehow my Dad has control over the beast inside of him, and I think he's very aware that without my dad's help he'd be sucking dick for booze at best or dead at worst without his help. He's on anti-depressants and anti-psychotics now, and my Dad managed to get him off alcohol and cigarettes cold turky.

6 years old, suffering a brain hemmorhage and multiple strokes....

I can't imagine how horrible everything in his life and his "I believe in God and I HATE God" mentality would lead to....

I'm just thankful that my Dad somehow can reach inside to the kid he used to be before all the bad things happened....

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:30 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


"Fetishes" are a funny thing... Ask any "chubby-chaser" or any other kink fetishist out there... chances are 1 in 4 of the adult people you know are a closet fetishist....

Marriage is boring and grows cold and old much sooner than our bodies do.




Leonard Nimoy loves chubby gals

I think some people who have beem married 50-60 years might take issue with that comment...What you think of as boring eventually becomes part of a necessary routine. Marriage takes discipline and lack of ego to work, and with the right people, it can be a permanent thing and not be boring, but stabilizing...

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 5:03 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Wish,
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I think some people who have beem married 50-60 years might take issue with that comment...What you think of as boring eventually becomes part of a necessary routine. Marriage takes discipline and lack of ego to work, and with the right people, it can be a permanent thing and not be boring, but stabilizing...
Yup. Dunno if 37 years counts, too, but that's certainly what Jim's and my marriage is. We don't spend a ton of time together when he's home, but what we do spend is quality time, it's definitely "routine", but certainly not "boring".

Six, I'll let others speak for me, as they can explain it better than I. It's something I've read about a bit, and I believe it's true, especially obviously with Obama constantly being called a "leftie extremist", when he's actually pretty right, in my opinion, and certainly not "left".
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For a generation, he has been considered a model of conservatism in Washington – at moments, perhaps, the model. Over the course of his 34-year career, US Sen. Orrin Hatch (R) of Utah has clashed with Big Labor. He has championed right-wing judicial nominees. He has consistently opposed federal gun control measures and backed a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. He has sponsored or cosponsored a balanced budget amendment – which would require Congress to spend no more than it collects in revenues – no fewer than 17 times. In 2010, the American Conservative Union gave him a perfect 100 ranking.

Yet today Mr. Hatch faces formidable opposition – for not being conservative enough. Activists on the right are attacking him for his vote for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the financial-market bailout initiative, and his willingness to work with Democrats like the late Sen. Ted Kennedy. They complain that he has voted to raise the debt ceiling 16 times. It's looking increasingly as if Hatch will face a Republican primary challenger next year – and could very well lose.

Hatch's troubles also say something about the way in which the nation's political needle has been moving. Over the past four decades – and more sharply over just the past few years – the geopolitical center of America has shifted rightward. It hasn't happened on all fronts – certainly, there are some areas where the country has clearly moved to the left, such as views on gay rights. But on a host of other issues, from guns to the role of government, the center of debate has edged closer to the conservative position, while activists on the right have moved even further out on the political spectrum.

The move has been most pronounced on fiscal matters. In Washington today, when it comes to the size of government, the debate isn't over whether to cut spending, but by how much. It's not over how much to raise taxes to help alleviate a fiscal shortfall, but whether any kind of tax increase – even on the wealthiest few – is valid.

"I don't remember, ever, in my 45 years in this business, the debate in Washington being [almost solely], 'What are we going to cut?' " says Sal Russo, a top strategist for the Tea Party Express and a longtime Republican consultant who worked as an aide to Gov. Ronald Reagan and advised Hatch's 2000 presidential bid. "Washington is different than anything I've seen in 45 years." More at http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2011/0731/America-s-big-shift-ri
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day I see Hatch being "too liberal" is the day I realized we've really moved right! On a wider explanation:
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The American political system, since at least 1968, has been operating like a ratchet, and both parties -- Republicans and Democrats -- play crucial, mutually reinforcing roles in its operation.

The electoral ratchet permits movement only in the rightward direction. The Republican role is fairly clear; the Republicans apply the torque that rotates the thing rightward.

The Democrats' role is a little less obvious. The Democrats are the pawl. They don't resist the rightward movement -- they let it happen -- but whenever the rightward force slackens momentarily, for whatever reason, the Democrats click into place and keep the machine from rotating back to the left.

Here's how it works. In every election year, the Democrats come and tell us that the country has moved to the right, and so the Democratic Party has to move right too in the name of realism and electability. Gotta keep these right-wing madmen out of the White House, no matter what it takes.

(Actually, they don't say they're going to move to the right; they say they're going to move to the center. But of course it amounts to the same thing, if you're supposed to be left of center. It's the same direction of movement.)

So now the Democrats have moved to the "center." But of course this has the effect of shifting the "center" farther to the right.

Now, as a consequence, the Republicans suddenly don't seem so crazy anymore -- they're closer to the center, through no effort of their own, because the center has shifted closer to them. So they can move even further right, and still end up no farther from the "center" than they were four years ago.

In fact, the Democrats' rightward shift not only enables the Republicans to move farther right themselves; it actually compels them to do so, if they want to maintain their identity as the angry-white-guy party par excellence. (A great part of the Republicans' hysterical hatred of Bill Clinton arose from this cause: with Democrats like Clinton, who needs Republicans?)

The ratchet clicks: Nixon. The pawl holds: Carter. Click again: Reagan. And again: Bush Senior (and Iraq War I). The pawl holds: Clinton. Click: Bush Junior and Iraq War II; then another click, and it's Bush Junior triumphant, and God knows what to come.

Has the phrase "conspiracy theory" crept into your mind yet? Let me exorcize it. This is not a vast conspiracy. Nobody planned it out. What I am offering here is a structural explanation, not a conspiracy theory. There is a very important difference. Perhaps an analogy will help.

I assume that most people reading this book believe in the Darwinian theory of evolution. We often speak of the "function" or "purpose" of anatomical structures -- like your liver, or your thumb, or the hammerhead shark's odd cranium. But this way of talking doesn't commit us to believing that somebody planned these structures out. They were not contrived; they evolved.

The same holds true for the rightward ratchet in contemporary American politics. No Machiavelli schemed it into existence; it evolved. And it evolved for the same reason that anything evolves: it was useful. But useful to whom?

Not useful, certainly, to the millions of slightly, or more-than-slightly, left-of-center Americans who troop glumly to the polls every four years, hold their noses, and vote for the "lesser evil," even though they expect nothing from their candidate. Nor is it useful to the forty to fifty percent of Americans who don't bother to vote at all because neither candidate has managed to say anything that seems relevant to their lives,

I have a somewhat unlikely friend, a rich man in Chicago -- let's call him Al. Politics is not Al's profession, or even his first interest in life, but he is a well-connected, intelligent guy who has some pet political causes. I happened to ask him one year, during a Senatorial campaign, which candidate he and his friends were contributing to. Both candidates were quite friendly to his cause, and I thought he might have had a hard time deciding between them. Al looked at me as if I had just revealed unsuspected depths of idiocy. "Both, of course," he replied.

"Both?"

"Well, we're giving a little more to X [the Republican], naturally, 'cause he's got a better chance of winning. But we've given a lot to Y [the Democrat], too. In fact, I think we may be his biggest single bloc of support."

"But... which one do you want to win?"

He laughed. "It doesn't matter. We own 'em both."

The ratchet works really well for people like Al: and that's what keeps it in operation. It's not that he's an especially right-wing guy himself; in fact, he thinks of himself as a liberal. But the ratchet has lowered his taxes, gotten the unions out of his plant, fattened the budget of his wealthy suburban school district (and correspondingly starved the urban districts where his employees live). He thinks Bush is a contemptible idiot, and may even have voted for Kerry himself (though he's very reluctant to talk about it). But what's beyond question is that the ratchet has operated to his benefit.

Absent some countervailing pressure from what we'll call, for short, the Left, it's a foregone conclusion that the political system will evolve in a way that responds to the desires of the wealthy and powerful.

Over time, the Democratic Party has assumed the role of ensuring that the countervailing pressure from the Left doesn't happen. The party contains and neutralizes the Left, or what there is of it. Left voters are supposed to support the Democrat, come what may -- and it's amazing how many of us have internalized this supposed obligation -- but they are not allowed to have any influence on the party's policies, either during the campaign or during the Republicans' infrequent holidays in opposition. Al's employees mostly vote Democratic. They get nothing for their pains, but the Clinton years were as good for Al as the Reagan years.

But that's not the worst of it. The reluctant-Democrat voters -- like my neighbor Annie -- don't realize that their votes are not just wasted: they are positively helping drive the ratchet. The fact that these captive lefties can be counted on not to bolt enables the James Carvilles and the Al Froms and the other DLC "triangulators" to pursue their rightward course without fear of any consequences. Annie and all the other well-meaning dependable Democrats are supplying an essential part of the fuel that keeps the machine going.

Again: Nobody planned this. The Democratic Party fell into its role in the ratchet for historical reasons. But now that the machine is up and running and delivering the goods for the wealthy and powerful, there is certainly no reason for the wealthy and powerful to interfere with it. And there is no means by which the less wealthy, whose power is only in their numbers, can affect it at all -- except by depriving it of their support. More at http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/stopme/chapter02.html agree, and we'll have to agree to disagree on this point, but it's hard to imagine anyone believing we HAVEN'T moved right in the past few years at the very least.


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Thursday, June 7, 2012 5:36 AM

BYTEMITE


My family is dysfunctional, we argue about everything, and the teasing borders on harassment. My parents are verbally abusive to each other. They've been together THIRTY YEARS. But, and I know this makes me a terrible person to say this, it's kinda really entertaining to watch.

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 7:46 AM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Well if they're both doing it and see no need to change it, sometimes one just has to laugh Byte, its not your fault after all.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 1:09 PM

DREAMTROVE


Pretty good analysis, chris. Anthony, the brain uses about 40% A normal wealthy would do the same, but it's got to 99.9% It's gonna fail.

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:26 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


"Fetishes" are a funny thing... Ask any "chubby-chaser" or any other kink fetishist out there... chances are 1 in 4 of the adult people you know are a closet fetishist....

Marriage is boring and grows cold and old much sooner than our bodies do.




Leonard Nimoy loves chubby gals

I think some people who have beem married 50-60 years might take issue with that comment...What you think of as boring eventually becomes part of a necessary routine. Marriage takes discipline and lack of ego to work, and with the right people, it can be a permanent thing and not be boring, but stabilizing...



No shit.... Spock likes to dock on the Moo Moo Farm...

I speak in generalities of course. I don't mean to start a fight with people who truly made something work. As far as I can tell at this point, my parents 2nd marriages going on 20 years now probably are for life. It's just too bad that they probably won't see 50-60 years together after getting such a late start.

As you say, it takes discipline and a lack of ego to work. There are also a lot of other factors that are necessary. But of those two, I think in a world where most of our instinctual desires can be satisfied nearly immediately, being tempted to do whatever activities destroy a marriage or not getting married at all in the first place are just so much easier to do.

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 4:32 PM

CHRISISALL


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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Anthony, the brain uses about 40% A normal wealthy would do the same, but it's got to 99.9% It's gonna fail.

Yep.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Thursday, June 7, 2012 7:34 PM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
But, and I know this makes me a terrible person to say this, it's kinda really entertaining to watch.



'Tis fun...every now and then me an him will both have a bad day and we'll start cutting each other down, only we'll forget we're supposed to be serious and then somebody starts giggling...

That back and forth works like a release valve in a marraige, things can be mutually said and acknowledged and then we move on...

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Friday, June 8, 2012 5:28 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


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Anthony, the brain uses about 40%
Cite please. Everything I've found says in the range of 20%:
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Blood Supply

% brain utilization of total resting oxygen = 20%
% blood flow from heart to brain = 15-20% (Kandel et al., 2000)
Blood flow through whole brain (adult) = 750-1000 ml/min
Blood flow through whole brain (adult) = 54 ml/100 g/min
Blood flow through whole brain (child) = 105 ml/100 g/min
Cerebral blood flow = 55 to 60 ml/100 g brain tissue/min
Cerebral blood flow (gray matter) = 75 ml/100 g brain tissue/min
Cerebral blood flow (white matter) = 45 ml/100 g brain tissue/min (Rengachary, S.S. and Ellenbogen, R.G., editors, Principles of Neurosurgery, Edinburgh: Elsevier Mosby, 2005)
Oxygen consumption whole brain = 46 cm3/min
Oxygen consumption whole brain = 3.3 ml/100 g/min
Blood flow rate through each carotid artery = 350 ml/min (Kandel et al., Principles of Neural Science, New York: McGraw Hill, 2000)
Blood flow rate through basilar artery = 100-200 ml/min (Kandel et al., 2000)
Diameter of vertebral artery = 2-3 mm
Diameter of common carotid artery (adult) = 6 mm
Diameter of common carotid artery (newborn) = 2.5 mm http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/facts.html#blood blood flow, or CBF, is the blood supply to the brain in a given time.[1] In an adult, CBF is typically 750 millitres per minute or 15% of the cardiac output.Wiki







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