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I'm sure you would give the order. But would they follow it?

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Your question is incomprehensible. I freely admit that said incomprehensibility may be a product of my long-term huffing of gasoline, or my recently acquired taste for bath salts, which are delicious and life affirming.

Near as I can tell, you wonder if "progressives" believe that the military would follow the orders of a progressive president. Assuming in arguendo that Obama is a progressive, does that answer your question?

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or my recently acquired taste for bath salts, which are delicious and life affirming.

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or my recently acquired taste for bath salts, which are delicious and life affirming.

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That's not bath salts, that's a squirrel. Though it does appear you've acquired a taste for both.

Do you need a towel? Or are you saving all that for later consumption?

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
Do you really think the military will fight for you?

The Army?

The Navy?

The MARINES?

I'm sure you would give the order. But would they follow it?

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The only way to bring about your North Korean vision of the future is through use of force.

So do you think the military would do as you've asked?

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"My 'guess', and that's all this is, is that this thread stems from the absurd array of tweets and other social media expressions where Dems in Wisconsin ( along w/ assorted other Lefties, socialists, anarchists, etc... ) made clear their feelings towards the winning candidate, and still Gov of their state, Scott Walker."

I apologize. My posts are never as clear as I would like them to be.

Here is a clarification...

Considering the agenda that the left has put forth (i.e. gun control-Fast and Furious, ObamaCare, increased taxation, increased surveillance-drones, forced multi-culturalism-racism, government takover of business, etc)

The only way to bring about your North Korean vision of the future is through use of force.

So do you think the military would do as you've asked?

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:
"My 'guess', and that's all this is, is that this thread stems from the absurd array of tweets and other social media expressions where Dems in Wisconsin ( along w/ assorted other Lefties, socialists, anarchists, etc... ) made clear their feelings towards the winning candidate, and still Gov of their state, Scott Walker."

I apologize. My posts are never as clear as I would like them to be.

Here is a clarification...

Considering the agenda that the left has put forth (i.e. gun control-Fast and Furious, ObamaCare, increased taxation, increased surveillance-drones, forced multi-culturalism-racism, government takover of business, etc)

The only way to bring about your North Korean vision of the future is through use of force.

So do you think the military would do as you've asked?

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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Originally posted by WULFENSTAR:

The only way to bring about your North Korean vision of the future is through use of force.

So do you think the military would do as you've asked?

"None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you... YOU are locked in here with ME."

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"My 'guess', and that's all this is,

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Or better, do us all a favor and go back to your "heroic" fantasy movies and TV until you grow up.

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In a word, Yes. I believe they would indeed do just that, if ordered.

They went door to door during Katrina, confiscating weapons.

They have opened fire on their own pensioners in DC.

They have opened fire on unarmed students at universities.

They have invaded countless nations and killed countless numbers of innocent civilians, all because they were "asked to".

So if they were ordered to fire on you and your tea-bagging friends, I am reasonably sure they would do so. If they were ordered to fire on the Occupy protesters, I am reasonably sure they would do so as well.

The big difference between and me, though, is that I find all of these upsetting and appalling, while you actually seem to cheer the prospect of that last scenario playing out that way.

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Or better, do us all a favor and go back to your "heroic" fantasy movies and TV until you grow up.

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Er... that's what's keeping WULFIE-boy from growing up in the first place. I recommend some serious reading.

Maybe CRACKED?

Also, what Kwicko said

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In a word, Yes. I believe they would indeed do just that, if ordered.

They went door to door during Katrina, confiscating weapons.

They have opened fire on their own pensioners in DC.

They have opened fire on unarmed students at universities.

They have invaded countless nations and killed countless numbers of innocent civilians, all because they were "asked to".

So if they were ordered to fire on you and your tea-bagging friends, I am reasonably sure they would do so. If they were ordered to fire on the Occupy protesters, I am reasonably sure they would do so as well.

The big difference between and me, though, is that I find all of these upsetting and appalling, while you actually seem to cheer the prospect of that last scenario playing out that way.

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Would they really do that?????
All of those horrible things??????
Just for a paycheck?????

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Eventually, they'll find a way of legitimately tying my feet and wrists and removing me completely from FFF.NET

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The Milgram experiment showed that you can get enough people to torture just on an "authority's" say-so. It's all very easy.

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People just work differently than you do, Chris. MY first response is deference to authority. Somebody in a white coat says "Take this pill", I take the pill.

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"My 'guess', and that's all this is,

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HA! He's not even sure why he starts his own threads, and must "guess" at his own reasons.

I can't stop laughing at this fool.

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Would they really do that?????
All of those horrible things??????
Just for a paycheck?????

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Of course not. They join for a paycheck, and THEN get indoctrinated. I've seen it happen with people I know. There is the comradery, the unwillingness to let your fellow soldiers down, the separation into "us" versus "them" and the thrill of having the authority to shoot at people. And then, in a wartime situation, the fight for survival.

The Milgram experiment showed that you can get enough people to torture just on an "authority's" say-so. It's all very easy. It's happened with police, with the guard, the military and with military contractors. If you think it hasn't, then you are very naive.

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Eventually, they'll find a way of legitimately tying my feet and wrists and removing me completely from FFF.NET

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Aren't you being a bit paranoid? I hate to tell you this, but you're not important enough to be removed from anywhere, much less a backwater site like this. If you think I'm insulting you, let me add that nobody else here is important enough either.

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I knew what I was doing at my job, and I got Six-Sigma'd....

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I knew what I was doing at my job, and I got Six-Sigma'd....

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I think I'd have to say that either (a) you really didn't know what you were doing, or wouldn't have been fired, or (b) this is further evidence of the inefficacy of six sigma. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were good at your job and an asset to the department.

So where's that leave six sigma?



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The "Guard" today, is one of the only reasons your 16 year old boys and girls aren't being drafted.....

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Hate to tell you, Byte, but I was living in Palo Alto at the time of the Stanford experiment and knew some of those involved. My suggestion is that you believe it. Just a suggestion.

The whole point of the military is to break the person DOWN, then build him back UP into their mentality. It works far too well, from what I have observed over time, and is based on some pretty accurate psychological realities. Bearing in mind the ignorance (NOT stupidity) of many who inlist, it's not all that difficult. Some defy the brainwashing, always, but the majority...well, it's just my opinion...

The "doctor-as-god" mentality is somewhat different; we're trained from Day One to trust doctors, even tho' it is even less relevant to do so than in times past...

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The "Guard" today, is one of the only reasons your 16 year old boys and girls aren't being drafted.....

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Hate to tell you, Byte, but I was living in Palo Alto at the time of the Stanford experiment and knew some of those involved. My suggestion is that you believe it. Just a suggestion.

The whole point of the military is to break the person DOWN, then build him back UP into their mentality. It works far too well, from what I have observed over time, and is based on some pretty accurate psychological realities. Bearing in mind the ignorance (NOT stupidity) of many who inlist, it's not all that difficult. Some defy the brainwashing, always, but the majority...well, it's just my opinion...

The "doctor-as-god" mentality is somewhat different; we're trained from Day One to trust doctors, even tho' it is even less relevant to do so than in times past...

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What does six sigma'd mean? Just curious.

The whole point of military training is that you are trained to do what would generally be counter intuitive to do ie to engage a hostile enemy rather than run for the hills. Your training means that you need to follow orders without thinking, because if you think or argue in the moment, you jepardise operations which rely on you putting your life at risk. The other main point of training is that you can think clearly when under periods of high stress, rather than again, responding with fleeing or losing the plot which is what untraining personnel would do.

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