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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
Hello,

Two opposing sides with a middle space between them suggests a situation of less dimension than I observe.

I think you have at least two axis and four directions of travel.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
I have learned that 'Left' or 'Right' does not indicate how much control you wish to exert on the individual in and of itself.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
I have learned that 'Left' or 'Right' does not indicate how much control you wish to exert on the individual in and of itself.

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John Hammond: "When we have control again –"
Ellie Sattler: "You never had control! That's the illusion!"

IMO, it's never been said better.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
(edit: 6ix, your last couple posts were much more sensible than your OP. I surely wound not have come on so strong if I'd read them before posting. Unfortunately, we cross-posted.)

Hey 6ix,

Are you trying to brainwash folk or just yourself? All of us here are individuals. We forget this and the board turns stupid for a while. With the Presidential election coming on, passions flare, and the stupidity increases. This thread doesn't help. Another shallow analysis that creates characatures of a lot of very complex human beings. None of us is the same. None of us agree on all points. "A man sees what he wants to see..." so my question to you is: Why do you want to see the board this way?

You're dissatisfied with the level of discourse? You feel put upon as a "middle?" So what are you gonna do about it? Complain? Pat yourself on the back for this sorry insult to the entire board? Snap out of it! Or leave this place for which you demonstrate so litte respect. Not accusing you of anything here, just trying to wake ya up a little.

Another dualism I'm seeing a lot of on this board of late is Nihilism vs. Humanism. I see a lot of nihilism in these threads: mysanthropy, contempt, demonization, life itself sucks, hopelessness masquerading as wit,etc. We all have nihilistic thoughts, but letting them run the show is nothing but toxic.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I see a lot of nihilism in these threads: mysanthropy, contempt, demonization, life itself sucks

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
I see a lot of nihilism in these threads: mysanthropy, contempt, demonization, life itself sucks

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"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world, where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program, entire crops were lost. Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world, but I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering."

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Although they spent ZERO time elaborating off of that thought, it's probably where the speech to Neo in the original Matrix from the Agent in the movie came from.

"In Utopia......"..... "Entire crops were ruined".....


If you were somehow to genocide the 90% of people who couldn't mindlessly live off of Disney Channel feed without a million questions, I'm quite sure the other 10% of the rest could live forever pliable without any negative reinforcement...., and after a few generations they'd supply plenty of D batteries to make the genocide worthwhile....

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

If you were somehow to genocide the 90% of people who couldn't mindlessly live off of Disney Channel feed without a million questions, I'm quite sure the other 10% of the rest could live forever pliable without any negative reinforcement...., and after a few generations they'd supply plenty of D batteries to make the genocide worthwhile....

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Six, I mean this without sarcasm, friends don't let friends drink & post.

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
1. Nearly every topic title is inflammatory to the "other side" to get views and posts from either side.

2. The regulars from either side and their insults drown out any voices of reason from the true "middle of the road-ers".

3. Occasionally, somebody from either side bites onto something one of the "middle's" say, and attack them for being stupid and for being on the other side.

4. When the "middler" responds with a valid comment, it is ignored by the attacker 99% of the time....

5. New topics emerge everyday that drown the old topics.

6. Nothing ever progresses.....

The Real World Event Discussions forum is "Stalemate" personified.....

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Left, right, and middle Jack?? You forgot the people who sit and overthink RWED...

Seriously, if we had ANYTHING else to do with our bored little lives... *sigh
Although I have a hubby, a kid, and a house with unlimited crap that needs doing AND I'M STILL HERE...

And DT.... THAT made me laugh....Would it be Rom-Bama or O'Romney??? What's sad is I could see it happening....

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I love you Wish, truly, like a sister, and it pains me that you don't post more about your own lifetime issues in the journal.

the "RWED" al lot more since you closed up about your own going-ons...

I HATE posting here.... it's always so negative....
Thanks for keeping me grounded Wish

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
I have learned that 'Left' or 'Right' does not indicate how much control you wish to exert on the individual in and of itself.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I love you Wish, truly, like a sister, and it pains me that you don't post more about your own lifetime issues in the journal.

the "RWED" al lot more since you closed up about your own going-ons...

I HATE posting here.... it's always so negative....
Thanks for keeping me grounded Wish

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Yer sweet Jack

I post a LOT more during the winter, as I'm really not able to do much else, but as it gets warmer and I get around a bit more and the kid is out of school... It's not so easy... Don't take it personal, hon...
A look at my life...
Hubbs has been home more lately and we circle the one computer and growl territorily more, we just went on a little vacay- which I planned and implemented, I promised my kid I would get the new bathroom done so that she could move into the basement by the time school comes, and she is bored and hungry EVERY 15 damn minutes and either wants to go to a friends house or wants the neighbor kid to come over (and the neighbor kid is really really obnoxious, accident prone, and simply CAN'T follow directions or stop being sooo aggressive), my gran is begging for my time because she feels so lonely, I get the groceries, I plan and pick up the materials for the re-model, I pay the bills, I cook the food, I clean ALL the things, try to make room for a love life that's nonexistent when you have a nine year old who never leaves you alone and you don't have a babysitter for now because he died, a husband who's extremely moody and lately only talks about guns, gaming, and goddam memebase pics...and is on the verge of his 19th nervous breakdown... This isn't even going into the little things I do, or the other list I get to do while she's in school........

All while trying vainly to hold my failing body together a little while longer...I held a baby for a half an hour yesterday and haven't been able to use that arm for the last 18 hrs... It hurt soooo much that I massaged it until it is bruised.... Or the sneezing fits that last for hours, The nerve problems that keep me awake half the night, or the intestinal problems that leave me groaning and exhausted...

I'm here when I can be cheery, and am thankful this place is still here when I need ta vent, negativity or no.... but I can't be here all the time.

And Jack....fer god's sake... Go get ya a nice girl and bang her senseless. Internets is fun and all but not to be used as an excuse to put off relationships with real people and you are WAAAAAY too young to be soooo fixated on taxes and home improvements...You own yer house, there's gals a plenty would be thrilled just with that...Find one that's not a sponge and go for it...

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Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
RWED has changed many of my views, and led me to not only new informations, but new way of looking at information.

However, RWED is best taken in a non-election year. I decided to take 2012 off after 2008. The partisan nonsense is just in the way. I'll stick my head in once in a while, but I'll prolly be around after the dust settles. I expect we'll all be able to throw a big party to celebrate the obama and romney's gay marriage as co-presidents. Of course, the only snag in this is that they really are the same person, dr. jackass and mr. hyde. But rwed is best taken selectively, avoid partisan political nonsense, and discuss interesting stuff.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I HATE posting here.... it's always so negative....

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You need to get a 2nd computer for the house girl.... unless you're all opposed to that notion.

The rest of it... I feel so sad for you. It can't really be that bad... you're just posting the bad parts here. There's no reason you'd put up with it all if there weren't a lot of good in between. Did hubbs really have 18 prior nervous breakdowns for real????

Giving your daughter a basement "house" is cool, but I'd have it checked for Rayon and all that other BS.

Really Wish... I think you need to give yourself 15 minutes to a half hour a day to just stretch and bend and maybe do some light workouts and cardio. You spoke about these maladies before and that's why I was shocked that you're more than a few years my junior.Let's get back in shape Wish.....

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:
I have learned that 'Left' or 'Right' does not indicate how much control you wish to exert on the individual in and of itself.

--Anthony

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But don't forget, it's a Democrat who said " It takes a long time... to control the people".

Because that's what they want to do.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh YOOOO HOOOO!

Little Rappy. You failed to answer my question ... it almost looks like you ran away. I'm sure you didn't. After all, why would you? I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part. So, here it is, again.


Did Carter raise taxes - yes or no?

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I feel like there's something wrong with my translation array

First, the thing about hubbs and the breakdowns was a bit of a joke. He has mild Aspergers and his job is stressing him out a lot lately... I do not want to get two computers because it's important that we communicate daily, even if he doesn't like to, to maintain a healthy relationship.

Val Kilmer sings this song under his breath in "Red Planet" and it's become a nod for the two of us when something is very stressful...

My kid will be fine in the basement. All the walls have been painted, tile has been layed, new drop ceiling tiles are in, there ARE new windows and recessed lighting, and yes our radon (though I'm sure I do have a "Rayon" problem in the dressing room ) levels are fine. She is looking forward to it. Before we moved in the entire family who was here lived in the basement and it wasn't half as nice as it is now...


As for the health thing, you just don't understand, as do a LOT of people. Youth does not mean spotless health. Ever met a two year old with heart disease?? I have. If you run into Kiah in chat, she's worse off than I am- her health problems have put her in a wheelchair and she's about my age.
I don't know if you saw the other thread where I posted about my health problems but ONE of my problems is that I have Rheumatiod Arthritis. There are thousands of us young girls living with an old person's disease...Despite the commercials with annoying perky skinny people, that is NOT what the typical sufferer looks like. RA is a SYSTEMIC disease that they call arthritis because they are too stupid to know what causes it. My immune system is attacking itself. I get fevers from outta nowhere, somedays waking up and standing up take momumental effort, and occaisionally my muscles swell and burn like they are on fire. I can't even tell you some of my problems because it's really TMI. Cardio. hmmpt. Since you mention it, I am three times more likely to to have a mitral valve prolapse, so Cardio is probably the LAST thing I would do before they put me in a box. What's even worse is that I am severely prone to infection so taking the immunosuppressants to treat it would kill me too. Even stress makes my condition worse. You just don't understand, and unless it happens to you you most likely won't......

I know that making fun of girls who have gained weight makes you guys think you seem tougher and impervious, but it just shows how much you don't know, especially about womens health. When dad had cancer they put him on estrogen to slow the spread and he gained 50 POUNDS IN THREE MONTHS!!!(I should add that he nad next to NO appetite by then) I live with the shit daily. There was also a recent study that found out that white girls burn off fat much quicker that black girls with the same amount of effort(Not that I'm black) but it illistrates that most of metabolism for women is genetic or chemical and NOT that fat people are lazy. You don't even know how lucky you are to be healthy...Some of us don't get that choice...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I think it's crazy they're already starting to tax soda and junk food like they do booze and cigarettes. Nobody had my back when they came after my vices. At this point, although I think it's all wrong, I'm not about to step in and fight for low taxes on junk food.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't make fun of fat people. Some people are fat because they have a hand to mouth problem and others are by design.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Oh YOOOO HOOOO!

Little Rappy. You failed to answer my question ... it almost looks like you ran away. I'm sure you didn't. After all, why would you? I'm sure it was just an oversight on your part. So, here it is, again.


Did Carter raise taxes - yes or no?

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Originally posted by Niki2:Mike, we should tuck that one about Reagan's CIA chief for every time Raptor comes out which HIS quote (which, like much of his outdated material, has become so repetitious and boring). His habit of tossing out irrelevant shit like this ridiculous, and it would be nice if he at the very least got some new material. Not that he doesn't try...

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I don't make fun of fat people. Some people are fat because they have a hand to mouth problem and others are by design.

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The problem is, Jack, that it is impossible to tell visually who has genetic issues and who doesn't. Even the ones who don't have genetic issues at first glance are probably over-eating due to emotional disabilites or because they lack functioning parts of the brain that control things others can, not because they WANT to be overweight...Last year there was another article that said they had found the parts of the brain that regulate things like guilt and addictive behavior. 98% of all docs probably couldn't tell you where those are on an MRI or have a clue what to do even if they did figure out something was wrong with those areas, let alone what the people dealing with those problems should do. You may not make fun of fat people, but you have no problem pointing out past girlfriends who are fat. Raising a child is HARD. People that raise more than one well adjusted child deserve combat pay... Attach a bawling neanderthal-like creature to YOU for a while and take away 60% of your normal sleep and see if you don't gain a ton... Not to mention you eat when THEY eat and they eat A LOT...

The first step to being emotionally well-rounded is to figure out that blaming people for most things that happen to them that are unintended doesn't solve ANYTHING. Wanting the best for people is something I understand, but the only thing you can do is encourage, for being judgemental just pisses people off...and occaisionally encourageing people pisses them off too....

Right, Byte??

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Right there with ya on that one, Jack. I told 'em today it was smokes and snuff, beer and booze, and tomorrow it would be THEIR vices of choice, and they all had a great laugh at that and insisted it would never happen.

So Ha-fucking-Ha, assholes. How's it taste now?

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See Kwick... ?

I always say that overall I agree with 70% of the people on 70% of the things and that the "sides" they pit us on don't matter.

Your "I told you so" to all of them almost made me shoot beer out of my nose when I read it....

On that note, Governor Quinn from IL just raised Illinois cigarette tax a buck a pack, making the new price for an average A grade carton of smokes to average out at 62 dollars a pack in Will County. I'd be willing to bet it would cost 16 bucks in the heart of Chicago for a pack now after that increase. This time though, it wasn't "for the kids". It was for the decimated, and completely unsustainable Medicare system the state runs. Nobody thinks twice about the dollar per pack raise when it's followed up by the fact that "25 million adults will be denied coverage" under the new plan.

Glad I moved out of the land of Lincoln Logs.....





I knew what I was doing at my job, and I got Six-Sigma'd....

There are over 10 million idiots working Government jobs who I could run circles around.

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I was living in my Grandma's basement with cats pissing all over, yet they still "loved" me.... what kind of life could I have provided them?

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Girls, yanno, we aren't entirely dense. We can see things for what they can and probably will be, and not for what they are by default. I married hubbs while he was working for MickyD's, and it turned out fine. I didn't ever worry we wouldn't be better off. As for looking up old girlfriends, go to facebook, type in name, go to google, type in name....Call girl and go "Hey sorry we didn't work out before, but that's only because I couldn't be who I wanted to be to you...You busy now???" And if that doesn't work, you could date Byte. heh heh heh. No really....The thought of you two posting in here until yer nether regions whither away and rust... Makes me sad...

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