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American education scores v. other countries
Monday, June 18, 2012 9:48 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:Fifteen-year-old students in the U.S. ranked 25th of 34 countries on an international math test and scored in the middle of the pack in science and reading, raising concerns the U.S. isn’t prepared to succeed in the global economy. Teenagers from South Korea and Finland led in almost all academic categories on the 2009 Program for International Student Assessment, according to the Paris-based Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development, which represents 34 countries. U.S. students ranked 17th in science and 14th in reading. The U.S. government considers the OECD test one of the most comprehensive measures of international achievement. ..... In all, 470,000 students worldwide took the exam. The test also measured countries and regions outside the OECD, or a total of 65 countries and economies. For the first time, the test broke out the performance of China’s Shanghai region, which topped even Finland and South Korea. U.S. 15-year-olds had an average score of 487 in math, below the OECD average of 496 on a zero to 1,000-point scale. South Korean students scored 546 and those from Finland scored 541. On an absolute basis, students from 24 of 34 OECD countries had higher scores than U.S. students, though the Education Department said 17 were better on a statistically significant basis. U.S. math scores rose from 474 in 2006, when they ranked 25th of 30 OECD countries. The average U.S. reading score of 500 ranked 14th among OECD countries, which were led by South Korea, Finland and Canada. Only six had scores that were better statistically, the Education Department said. http://gideonlearning.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/us-ranked-25th-out-of-34-in-international-math-test/ I couldn't find precisely which countries were utilized in the testing, but at least it gives a wider group. The study can be found easily on the internet, but looking for a lsit of the countries involved has found no such list. Bits and pieces I've found:Quote: far behind the highest scoring countries, including South Korea, Finland and Singapore, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China and Canada. ..... The PISA exam is one of a handful of tests that compare educational levels across nations, and is considered to be the most comprehensive. The test focuses on how well students are able to apply their knowledge in math, reading and science to real-life situations. Some 470,000 students took the test in 2009 in 65 countries and educational systems, from poor, underdeveloped nations to the most wealthy...... Between 1995 and 2008, for example, the United States slipped from ranking second in college graduation rates to 13th, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the Paris-based organization that develops and administers the PISA exam. Of 34 OECD countries, only 8 have a lower high school graduation rate. ..... The impact of improving math, reading and science scores could be radical: A recent OECD study with Stanford University projected that if the U.S. boosted its average PISA scores by 25 points over the next 20 years, there would be a gain of $41 trillion in the U.S. economy over the lifetime of the generation born in 2010. ..... The top performers in reading were South Korea, Finland, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China, Singapore, Canada, New Zealand, Japan and Australia. The gap between the highest performing countries and the United States is stark — students in Shanghai, for example, had an average score of 556 points in reading, 56 points higher than the 500-point average reached by United States students. Shanghai students also posted the highest score in math, with an average of 600 points, 113 points higher than the 487 point U.S. average ...... The United States spends more per student, on average, than other countries. In the 2009 PISA study, only Luxembourg spent more per student. The report notes that countries like Estonia and Poland perform at about the same level as the United States, while spending less than half the amount per student. ..... .... in each case, teachers are subject to evaluations and have a high standing in society. Also, schools have a degree of autonomy in determining their curriculum — but are also held accountable. ..... The study found that the best school systems were also the most equitable, meaning students from disadvantaged backgrounds were just as likely to do well academically. In the U.S., 17% of the variation in student performance was found to be related to a pupil's background — compared to 9%, for example, in Canada. The report notes that Canadian 15-year-olds, on average, perform more than one school year ahead in math than 15-year-olds in the United States, and more than a half year ahead in reading and science. Canada, like the U.S., has a decentralized education system. ..... Mexico had the lowest reading score among OECD member countries, with an average of 425 points — the equivalent of more than two school years behind the highest member score. Among all 2009 participants, there was a gap of 242 points between the highest and lowest reading scores — equal to more than six years of schooling.Quote:Ah-HAH! I found the countries which were tested via the PISA test in 2009 (which is where I believe the rankings in these articles came from): Albania* Argentina* Australia Austria Azerbaijan* Belgium Brazil* Bulgaria* Canada Chile Colombia* Croatia* Czech Republic Denmark Dubai (UAE)* Estonia* Finland France Germany Greece Hong Kong-China* Hungary Iceland Indonesia* Ireland Israel* Italy Japan Jordan* Kazakhstan* Korea Kyrgyz Republic* Liechtenstein* Lithuania* Luxembourg Latvia* Macao-China* Mexico Republic of Montenegro* The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Panama* Peru* Poland Portugal Qatar* Romania* Russian Federation* Republic of Serbia* Shanghai (China)* Singapore* Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Chinese Taipei* Thailand* Trinidad and Tobago* Tunisia* Turkey United States Uruguay* United Kingdom "The above countries are Members of the OECD, except those marked with an asterisk (*)." http://www.pisa.oecd.org/pages/0,3417,en_32252351_39759734_1_1_1_1_1,00.html So I guess the countries WITHOUT asterisks are the "34 countries" referenced in the articles. That would be: Australia Austria Belgium Canada Chile Czech Republic Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Korea Luxembourg Mexico The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland Portugal Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey United States United Kingdom So that's who our students were up against when it says "OECD countries" or "34 countries", tho' the list is only 32, so I dunno. That's the list from 2009, which is what the article refers to. Sigh... Ironically, I got the idea of googling "25th" from an Exxon ad which has been playing here recently. As an aside, I'm really pissed at all the ads from these big oil giants supposedly supporting improving our educational system. I know it's PR and propaganda, and attempts to show what "good guys" they are...may they rot in hell. Also the myriad ads I'm seeing now about how "natural gas" is the upcoming "clean", "responsible" fuel which will benefit America and get rid of "foreign oil" (which doesn't exist) and, and, and. Money talks...
Quote: far behind the highest scoring countries, including South Korea, Finland and Singapore, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China and Canada. ..... The PISA exam is one of a handful of tests that compare educational levels across nations, and is considered to be the most comprehensive. The test focuses on how well students are able to apply their knowledge in math, reading and science to real-life situations. Some 470,000 students took the test in 2009 in 65 countries and educational systems, from poor, underdeveloped nations to the most wealthy...... Between 1995 and 2008, for example, the United States slipped from ranking second in college graduation rates to 13th, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the Paris-based organization that develops and administers the PISA exam. Of 34 OECD countries, only 8 have a lower high school graduation rate. ..... The impact of improving math, reading and science scores could be radical: A recent OECD study with Stanford University projected that if the U.S. boosted its average PISA scores by 25 points over the next 20 years, there would be a gain of $41 trillion in the U.S. economy over the lifetime of the generation born in 2010. ..... The top performers in reading were South Korea, Finland, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China, Singapore, Canada, New Zealand, Japan and Australia. The gap between the highest performing countries and the United States is stark — students in Shanghai, for example, had an average score of 556 points in reading, 56 points higher than the 500-point average reached by United States students. Shanghai students also posted the highest score in math, with an average of 600 points, 113 points higher than the 487 point U.S. average ...... The United States spends more per student, on average, than other countries. In the 2009 PISA study, only Luxembourg spent more per student. The report notes that countries like Estonia and Poland perform at about the same level as the United States, while spending less than half the amount per student. ..... .... in each case, teachers are subject to evaluations and have a high standing in society. Also, schools have a degree of autonomy in determining their curriculum — but are also held accountable. ..... The study found that the best school systems were also the most equitable, meaning students from disadvantaged backgrounds were just as likely to do well academically. In the U.S., 17% of the variation in student performance was found to be related to a pupil's background — compared to 9%, for example, in Canada. The report notes that Canadian 15-year-olds, on average, perform more than one school year ahead in math than 15-year-olds in the United States, and more than a half year ahead in reading and science. Canada, like the U.S., has a decentralized education system. ..... Mexico had the lowest reading score among OECD member countries, with an average of 425 points — the equivalent of more than two school years behind the highest member score. Among all 2009 participants, there was a gap of 242 points between the highest and lowest reading scores — equal to more than six years of schooling.Quote:Ah-HAH! I found the countries which were tested via the PISA test in 2009 (which is where I believe the rankings in these articles came from): Albania* Argentina* Australia Austria Azerbaijan* Belgium Brazil* Bulgaria* Canada Chile Colombia* Croatia* Czech Republic Denmark Dubai (UAE)* Estonia* Finland France Germany Greece Hong Kong-China* Hungary Iceland Indonesia* Ireland Israel* Italy Japan Jordan* Kazakhstan* Korea Kyrgyz Republic* Liechtenstein* Lithuania* Luxembourg Latvia* Macao-China* Mexico Republic of Montenegro* The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Panama* Peru* Poland Portugal Qatar* Romania* Russian Federation* Republic of Serbia* Shanghai (China)* Singapore* Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Chinese Taipei* Thailand* Trinidad and Tobago* Tunisia* Turkey United States Uruguay* United Kingdom "The above countries are Members of the OECD, except those marked with an asterisk (*)." http://www.pisa.oecd.org/pages/0,3417,en_32252351_39759734_1_1_1_1_1,00.html So I guess the countries WITHOUT asterisks are the "34 countries" referenced in the articles. That would be: Australia Austria Belgium Canada Chile Czech Republic Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Korea Luxembourg Mexico The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland Portugal Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey United States United Kingdom So that's who our students were up against when it says "OECD countries" or "34 countries", tho' the list is only 32, so I dunno. That's the list from 2009, which is what the article refers to. Sigh... Ironically, I got the idea of googling "25th" from an Exxon ad which has been playing here recently. As an aside, I'm really pissed at all the ads from these big oil giants supposedly supporting improving our educational system. I know it's PR and propaganda, and attempts to show what "good guys" they are...may they rot in hell. Also the myriad ads I'm seeing now about how "natural gas" is the upcoming "clean", "responsible" fuel which will benefit America and get rid of "foreign oil" (which doesn't exist) and, and, and. Money talks...
Quote:Ah-HAH! I found the countries which were tested via the PISA test in 2009 (which is where I believe the rankings in these articles came from): Albania* Argentina* Australia Austria Azerbaijan* Belgium Brazil* Bulgaria* Canada Chile Colombia* Croatia* Czech Republic Denmark Dubai (UAE)* Estonia* Finland France Germany Greece Hong Kong-China* Hungary Iceland Indonesia* Ireland Israel* Italy Japan Jordan* Kazakhstan* Korea Kyrgyz Republic* Liechtenstein* Lithuania* Luxembourg Latvia* Macao-China* Mexico Republic of Montenegro* The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Panama* Peru* Poland Portugal Qatar* Romania* Russian Federation* Republic of Serbia* Shanghai (China)* Singapore* Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Chinese Taipei* Thailand* Trinidad and Tobago* Tunisia* Turkey United States Uruguay* United Kingdom "The above countries are Members of the OECD, except those marked with an asterisk (*)." http://www.pisa.oecd.org/pages/0,3417,en_32252351_39759734_1_1_1_1_1,00.html So I guess the countries WITHOUT asterisks are the "34 countries" referenced in the articles. That would be: Australia Austria Belgium Canada Chile Czech Republic Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Korea Luxembourg Mexico The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland Portugal Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey United States United Kingdom So that's who our students were up against when it says "OECD countries" or "34 countries", tho' the list is only 32, so I dunno. That's the list from 2009, which is what the article refers to. Sigh... Ironically, I got the idea of googling "25th" from an Exxon ad which has been playing here recently. As an aside, I'm really pissed at all the ads from these big oil giants supposedly supporting improving our educational system. I know it's PR and propaganda, and attempts to show what "good guys" they are...may they rot in hell. Also the myriad ads I'm seeing now about how "natural gas" is the upcoming "clean", "responsible" fuel which will benefit America and get rid of "foreign oil" (which doesn't exist) and, and, and. Money talks...
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 3:54 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: This came up in the creationism thread, so I looked further.Quote:Fifteen-year-old students in the U.S. ranked 25th of 34 countries on an international math test and scored in the middle of the pack in science and reading, raising concerns the U.S. isn’t prepared to succeed in the global economy. Teenagers from South Korea and Finland led in almost all academic categories on the 2009 Program for International Student Assessment, according to the Paris-based Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development, which represents 34 countries. U.S. students ranked 17th in science and 14th in reading. The U.S. government considers the OECD test one of the most comprehensive measures of international achievement. ..... In all, 470,000 students worldwide took the exam. The test also measured countries and regions outside the OECD, or a total of 65 countries and economies. For the first time, the test broke out the performance of China’s Shanghai region, which topped even Finland and South Korea. U.S. 15-year-olds had an average score of 487 in math, below the OECD average of 496 on a zero to 1,000-point scale. South Korean students scored 546 and those from Finland scored 541. On an absolute basis, students from 24 of 34 OECD countries had higher scores than U.S. students, though the Education Department said 17 were better on a statistically significant basis. U.S. math scores rose from 474 in 2006, when they ranked 25th of 30 OECD countries. The average U.S. reading score of 500 ranked 14th among OECD countries, which were led by South Korea, Finland and Canada. Only six had scores that were better statistically, the Education Department said. http://gideonlearning.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/us-ranked-25th-out-of-34-in-international-math-test/ I couldn't find precisely which countries were utilized in the testing, but at least it gives a wider group. The study can be found easily on the internet, but looking for a lsit of the countries involved has found no such list. Bits and pieces I've found:Quote: far behind the highest scoring countries, including South Korea, Finland and Singapore, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China and Canada. ..... The PISA exam is one of a handful of tests that compare educational levels across nations, and is considered to be the most comprehensive. The test focuses on how well students are able to apply their knowledge in math, reading and science to real-life situations. Some 470,000 students took the test in 2009 in 65 countries and educational systems, from poor, underdeveloped nations to the most wealthy...... Between 1995 and 2008, for example, the United States slipped from ranking second in college graduation rates to 13th, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the Paris-based organization that develops and administers the PISA exam. Of 34 OECD countries, only 8 have a lower high school graduation rate. ..... The impact of improving math, reading and science scores could be radical: A recent OECD study with Stanford University projected that if the U.S. boosted its average PISA scores by 25 points over the next 20 years, there would be a gain of $41 trillion in the U.S. economy over the lifetime of the generation born in 2010. ..... The top performers in reading were South Korea, Finland, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China, Singapore, Canada, New Zealand, Japan and Australia. The gap between the highest performing countries and the United States is stark — students in Shanghai, for example, had an average score of 556 points in reading, 56 points higher than the 500-point average reached by United States students. Shanghai students also posted the highest score in math, with an average of 600 points, 113 points higher than the 487 point U.S. average ...... The United States spends more per student, on average, than other countries. In the 2009 PISA study, only Luxembourg spent more per student. The report notes that countries like Estonia and Poland perform at about the same level as the United States, while spending less than half the amount per student. ..... .... in each case, teachers are subject to evaluations and have a high standing in society. Also, schools have a degree of autonomy in determining their curriculum — but are also held accountable. ..... The study found that the best school systems were also the most equitable, meaning students from disadvantaged backgrounds were just as likely to do well academically. In the U.S., 17% of the variation in student performance was found to be related to a pupil's background — compared to 9%, for example, in Canada. The report notes that Canadian 15-year-olds, on average, perform more than one school year ahead in math than 15-year-olds in the United States, and more than a half year ahead in reading and science. Canada, like the U.S., has a decentralized education system. ..... Mexico had the lowest reading score among OECD member countries, with an average of 425 points — the equivalent of more than two school years behind the highest member score. Among all 2009 participants, there was a gap of 242 points between the highest and lowest reading scores — equal to more than six years of schooling.Quote:Ah-HAH! I found the countries which were tested via the PISA test in 2009 (which is where I believe the rankings in these articles came from): Albania* Argentina* Australia Austria Azerbaijan* Belgium Brazil* Bulgaria* Canada Chile Colombia* Croatia* Czech Republic Denmark Dubai (UAE)* Estonia* Finland France Germany Greece Hong Kong-China* Hungary Iceland Indonesia* Ireland Israel* Italy Japan Jordan* Kazakhstan* Korea Kyrgyz Republic* Liechtenstein* Lithuania* Luxembourg Latvia* Macao-China* Mexico Republic of Montenegro* The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Panama* Peru* Poland Portugal Qatar* Romania* Russian Federation* Republic of Serbia* Shanghai (China)* Singapore* Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Chinese Taipei* Thailand* Trinidad and Tobago* Tunisia* Turkey United States Uruguay* United Kingdom "The above countries are Members of the OECD, except those marked with an asterisk (*)." http://www.pisa.oecd.org/pages/0,3417,en_32252351_39759734_1_1_1_1_1,00.html] So I guess the countries WITHOUT asterisks are the "34 countries" referenced in the articles. That would be: Australia Austria Belgium Canada Chile Czech Republic Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Korea Luxembourg Mexico The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland Portugal Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey United States United Kingdom So that's who our students were up against when it says "OECD countries" or "34 countries", tho' the list is only 32, so I dunno. That's the list from 2009, which is what the article refers to. Sigh... Ironically, I got the idea of googling "25th" from an Exxon ad which has been playing here recently. As an aside, I'm really pissed at all the ads from these big oil giants supposedly supporting improving our educational system. I know it's PR and propaganda, and attempts to show what "good guys" they are...may they rot in hell. Also the myriad ads I'm seeing now about how "natural gas" is the upcoming "clean", "responsible" fuel which will benefit America and get rid of "foreign oil" (which doesn't exist) and, and, and. Money talks...
Quote:Fifteen-year-old students in the U.S. ranked 25th of 34 countries on an international math test and scored in the middle of the pack in science and reading, raising concerns the U.S. isn’t prepared to succeed in the global economy. Teenagers from South Korea and Finland led in almost all academic categories on the 2009 Program for International Student Assessment, according to the Paris-based Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development, which represents 34 countries. U.S. students ranked 17th in science and 14th in reading. The U.S. government considers the OECD test one of the most comprehensive measures of international achievement. ..... In all, 470,000 students worldwide took the exam. The test also measured countries and regions outside the OECD, or a total of 65 countries and economies. For the first time, the test broke out the performance of China’s Shanghai region, which topped even Finland and South Korea. U.S. 15-year-olds had an average score of 487 in math, below the OECD average of 496 on a zero to 1,000-point scale. South Korean students scored 546 and those from Finland scored 541. On an absolute basis, students from 24 of 34 OECD countries had higher scores than U.S. students, though the Education Department said 17 were better on a statistically significant basis. U.S. math scores rose from 474 in 2006, when they ranked 25th of 30 OECD countries. The average U.S. reading score of 500 ranked 14th among OECD countries, which were led by South Korea, Finland and Canada. Only six had scores that were better statistically, the Education Department said. http://gideonlearning.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/us-ranked-25th-out-of-34-in-international-math-test/ I couldn't find precisely which countries were utilized in the testing, but at least it gives a wider group. The study can be found easily on the internet, but looking for a lsit of the countries involved has found no such list. Bits and pieces I've found:Quote: far behind the highest scoring countries, including South Korea, Finland and Singapore, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China and Canada. ..... The PISA exam is one of a handful of tests that compare educational levels across nations, and is considered to be the most comprehensive. The test focuses on how well students are able to apply their knowledge in math, reading and science to real-life situations. Some 470,000 students took the test in 2009 in 65 countries and educational systems, from poor, underdeveloped nations to the most wealthy...... Between 1995 and 2008, for example, the United States slipped from ranking second in college graduation rates to 13th, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the Paris-based organization that develops and administers the PISA exam. Of 34 OECD countries, only 8 have a lower high school graduation rate. ..... The impact of improving math, reading and science scores could be radical: A recent OECD study with Stanford University projected that if the U.S. boosted its average PISA scores by 25 points over the next 20 years, there would be a gain of $41 trillion in the U.S. economy over the lifetime of the generation born in 2010. ..... The top performers in reading were South Korea, Finland, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China, Singapore, Canada, New Zealand, Japan and Australia. The gap between the highest performing countries and the United States is stark — students in Shanghai, for example, had an average score of 556 points in reading, 56 points higher than the 500-point average reached by United States students. Shanghai students also posted the highest score in math, with an average of 600 points, 113 points higher than the 487 point U.S. average ...... The United States spends more per student, on average, than other countries. In the 2009 PISA study, only Luxembourg spent more per student. The report notes that countries like Estonia and Poland perform at about the same level as the United States, while spending less than half the amount per student. ..... .... in each case, teachers are subject to evaluations and have a high standing in society. Also, schools have a degree of autonomy in determining their curriculum — but are also held accountable. ..... The study found that the best school systems were also the most equitable, meaning students from disadvantaged backgrounds were just as likely to do well academically. In the U.S., 17% of the variation in student performance was found to be related to a pupil's background — compared to 9%, for example, in Canada. The report notes that Canadian 15-year-olds, on average, perform more than one school year ahead in math than 15-year-olds in the United States, and more than a half year ahead in reading and science. Canada, like the U.S., has a decentralized education system. ..... Mexico had the lowest reading score among OECD member countries, with an average of 425 points — the equivalent of more than two school years behind the highest member score. Among all 2009 participants, there was a gap of 242 points between the highest and lowest reading scores — equal to more than six years of schooling.Quote:Ah-HAH! I found the countries which were tested via the PISA test in 2009 (which is where I believe the rankings in these articles came from): Albania* Argentina* Australia Austria Azerbaijan* Belgium Brazil* Bulgaria* Canada Chile Colombia* Croatia* Czech Republic Denmark Dubai (UAE)* Estonia* Finland France Germany Greece Hong Kong-China* Hungary Iceland Indonesia* Ireland Israel* Italy Japan Jordan* Kazakhstan* Korea Kyrgyz Republic* Liechtenstein* Lithuania* Luxembourg Latvia* Macao-China* Mexico Republic of Montenegro* The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Panama* Peru* Poland Portugal Qatar* Romania* Russian Federation* Republic of Serbia* Shanghai (China)* Singapore* Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Chinese Taipei* Thailand* Trinidad and Tobago* Tunisia* Turkey United States Uruguay* United Kingdom "The above countries are Members of the OECD, except those marked with an asterisk (*)." http://www.pisa.oecd.org/pages/0,3417,en_32252351_39759734_1_1_1_1_1,00.html] So I guess the countries WITHOUT asterisks are the "34 countries" referenced in the articles. That would be: Australia Austria Belgium Canada Chile Czech Republic Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Korea Luxembourg Mexico The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland Portugal Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey United States United Kingdom So that's who our students were up against when it says "OECD countries" or "34 countries", tho' the list is only 32, so I dunno. That's the list from 2009, which is what the article refers to. Sigh... Ironically, I got the idea of googling "25th" from an Exxon ad which has been playing here recently. As an aside, I'm really pissed at all the ads from these big oil giants supposedly supporting improving our educational system. I know it's PR and propaganda, and attempts to show what "good guys" they are...may they rot in hell. Also the myriad ads I'm seeing now about how "natural gas" is the upcoming "clean", "responsible" fuel which will benefit America and get rid of "foreign oil" (which doesn't exist) and, and, and. Money talks...
Quote: far behind the highest scoring countries, including South Korea, Finland and Singapore, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China and Canada. ..... The PISA exam is one of a handful of tests that compare educational levels across nations, and is considered to be the most comprehensive. The test focuses on how well students are able to apply their knowledge in math, reading and science to real-life situations. Some 470,000 students took the test in 2009 in 65 countries and educational systems, from poor, underdeveloped nations to the most wealthy...... Between 1995 and 2008, for example, the United States slipped from ranking second in college graduation rates to 13th, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, the Paris-based organization that develops and administers the PISA exam. Of 34 OECD countries, only 8 have a lower high school graduation rate. ..... The impact of improving math, reading and science scores could be radical: A recent OECD study with Stanford University projected that if the U.S. boosted its average PISA scores by 25 points over the next 20 years, there would be a gain of $41 trillion in the U.S. economy over the lifetime of the generation born in 2010. ..... The top performers in reading were South Korea, Finland, Hong Kong and Shanghai in China, Singapore, Canada, New Zealand, Japan and Australia. The gap between the highest performing countries and the United States is stark — students in Shanghai, for example, had an average score of 556 points in reading, 56 points higher than the 500-point average reached by United States students. Shanghai students also posted the highest score in math, with an average of 600 points, 113 points higher than the 487 point U.S. average ...... The United States spends more per student, on average, than other countries. In the 2009 PISA study, only Luxembourg spent more per student. The report notes that countries like Estonia and Poland perform at about the same level as the United States, while spending less than half the amount per student. ..... .... in each case, teachers are subject to evaluations and have a high standing in society. Also, schools have a degree of autonomy in determining their curriculum — but are also held accountable. ..... The study found that the best school systems were also the most equitable, meaning students from disadvantaged backgrounds were just as likely to do well academically. In the U.S., 17% of the variation in student performance was found to be related to a pupil's background — compared to 9%, for example, in Canada. The report notes that Canadian 15-year-olds, on average, perform more than one school year ahead in math than 15-year-olds in the United States, and more than a half year ahead in reading and science. Canada, like the U.S., has a decentralized education system. ..... Mexico had the lowest reading score among OECD member countries, with an average of 425 points — the equivalent of more than two school years behind the highest member score. Among all 2009 participants, there was a gap of 242 points between the highest and lowest reading scores — equal to more than six years of schooling.Quote:Ah-HAH! I found the countries which were tested via the PISA test in 2009 (which is where I believe the rankings in these articles came from): Albania* Argentina* Australia Austria Azerbaijan* Belgium Brazil* Bulgaria* Canada Chile Colombia* Croatia* Czech Republic Denmark Dubai (UAE)* Estonia* Finland France Germany Greece Hong Kong-China* Hungary Iceland Indonesia* Ireland Israel* Italy Japan Jordan* Kazakhstan* Korea Kyrgyz Republic* Liechtenstein* Lithuania* Luxembourg Latvia* Macao-China* Mexico Republic of Montenegro* The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Panama* Peru* Poland Portugal Qatar* Romania* Russian Federation* Republic of Serbia* Shanghai (China)* Singapore* Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Chinese Taipei* Thailand* Trinidad and Tobago* Tunisia* Turkey United States Uruguay* United Kingdom "The above countries are Members of the OECD, except those marked with an asterisk (*)." http://www.pisa.oecd.org/pages/0,3417,en_32252351_39759734_1_1_1_1_1,00.html] So I guess the countries WITHOUT asterisks are the "34 countries" referenced in the articles. That would be: Australia Austria Belgium Canada Chile Czech Republic Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Korea Luxembourg Mexico The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland Portugal Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey United States United Kingdom So that's who our students were up against when it says "OECD countries" or "34 countries", tho' the list is only 32, so I dunno. That's the list from 2009, which is what the article refers to. Sigh... Ironically, I got the idea of googling "25th" from an Exxon ad which has been playing here recently. As an aside, I'm really pissed at all the ads from these big oil giants supposedly supporting improving our educational system. I know it's PR and propaganda, and attempts to show what "good guys" they are...may they rot in hell. Also the myriad ads I'm seeing now about how "natural gas" is the upcoming "clean", "responsible" fuel which will benefit America and get rid of "foreign oil" (which doesn't exist) and, and, and. Money talks...
Quote:Ah-HAH! I found the countries which were tested via the PISA test in 2009 (which is where I believe the rankings in these articles came from): Albania* Argentina* Australia Austria Azerbaijan* Belgium Brazil* Bulgaria* Canada Chile Colombia* Croatia* Czech Republic Denmark Dubai (UAE)* Estonia* Finland France Germany Greece Hong Kong-China* Hungary Iceland Indonesia* Ireland Israel* Italy Japan Jordan* Kazakhstan* Korea Kyrgyz Republic* Liechtenstein* Lithuania* Luxembourg Latvia* Macao-China* Mexico Republic of Montenegro* The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Panama* Peru* Poland Portugal Qatar* Romania* Russian Federation* Republic of Serbia* Shanghai (China)* Singapore* Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Chinese Taipei* Thailand* Trinidad and Tobago* Tunisia* Turkey United States Uruguay* United Kingdom "The above countries are Members of the OECD, except those marked with an asterisk (*)." http://www.pisa.oecd.org/pages/0,3417,en_32252351_39759734_1_1_1_1_1,00.html] So I guess the countries WITHOUT asterisks are the "34 countries" referenced in the articles. That would be: Australia Austria Belgium Canada Chile Czech Republic Denmark Finland France Germany Greece Hungary Iceland Ireland Italy Japan Korea Luxembourg Mexico The Netherlands New Zealand Norway Poland Portugal Slovak Republic Slovenia Spain Sweden Switzerland Turkey United States United Kingdom So that's who our students were up against when it says "OECD countries" or "34 countries", tho' the list is only 32, so I dunno. That's the list from 2009, which is what the article refers to. Sigh... Ironically, I got the idea of googling "25th" from an Exxon ad which has been playing here recently. As an aside, I'm really pissed at all the ads from these big oil giants supposedly supporting improving our educational system. I know it's PR and propaganda, and attempts to show what "good guys" they are...may they rot in hell. Also the myriad ads I'm seeing now about how "natural gas" is the upcoming "clean", "responsible" fuel which will benefit America and get rid of "foreign oil" (which doesn't exist) and, and, and. Money talks...
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:11 AM
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Quote:any more than I give a shit about the genetic make up of Hydrogen DiOxide.
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 5:46 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I'll even take that a step further and say that most people who pay somebody else to do their taxes today should at least know enough math and government legalese to do their own taxes and know where their money is going and how they can save more by being their own best agent.
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 4:33 PM
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