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Ann Romney's High Horse (Not PN)
Friday, June 22, 2012 6:08 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Ann Romney found herself briefly the subject of a lawsuit at whose core, according to court documents, was a heavily-medicated horse. Romney and her trainers sold the horse, Super Hit, in 2008 for $125,000. And Super Hit had what a prominent veterinarian described as a staggering quantity of drugs in its system at the time of its examination before being sold, according to a toxicology report that's part of the lawsuit over the horse's condition. The lawsuit, which was mentioned in a New York Times story last month, was filed in 2010 by a woman in San Diego who had bought Super Hit from Romney and her trainers, Jan and Amy Ebeling. The woman, Catherine Norris, sued Romney for fraud after the horse allegedly proved physically incapable of performing as a dressage horse. The case with Romney was settled last September and she is no longer involved in the lawsuit. According to a toxicology report provided to the horse's vet and testimony from a veterinarian, Dr. Steven Soule, included in the lawsuit, Super Hit had three sedative pain killers and one narcotic pain killer in her system when the horse was examined to check her condition pre-sale. The drugs were Butorphanol, Delomidine, Romifidine, and Xylatine. Soule, who has been the United States Equestrian Team veterinarian since 1978, writes, “In my 38 years of practice, I have never come across a drug screen such as this where the horse has been administered so many different medications at the same time.” The horse had a defect in its foot, and Norris's lawyers alleged that the Ebelings had drugged the horse in order to hide its condition. The New York Times has over the last few weeks turned a spotlight on the related topic of performance-enhancing drugs in horses. A Romney spokeswoman didn't respond to inquiries about the case or the broader policy.
Friday, June 22, 2012 6:18 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:18 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:51 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:06 AM
OLDENGLANDDRY
Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:11 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:12 AM
Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:25 AM
Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:55 AM
Saturday, June 23, 2012 2:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Actually, NewOld, I think I heard that said in just the past few years. Would make sense, if so, given it's a timeless truism!
Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:08 PM
Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:22 PM
HERO
Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:28 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:23 PM
PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Quote:"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Hours before Casey was scheduled to testify before Congress related to his knowledge of Iran-Contra, he was reported to have been rendered incapable of speech, and was later hospitalized. In a 1987 book, Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA 1981-1987, Washington Post, reporter, and biographer, Bob Woodward, who had interviewed Casey on a number of occasions for the biography, said that he had gained entry into Casey's hospital room for a final, four-minute encounter—a claim which was met with disbelief in many quarters as well as an adamant denial from Casey's wife, Sofia. According to Woodward, when Casey was asked if he knew about the diversion of funds to the Nicaraguan Contras, "His head jerked up hard. He stared, and finally nodded yes."[9]
Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: The 1960 campaign was before my time, but I can still remember people using this slogan in '72. And if anything, it was even more true in '72 than it was in '60! "I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero "I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Wow. I don't think I've seen anything quite so incoherent since little Rappy's last post.
Sunday, June 24, 2012 10:06 AM
Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki What the trainers did was FRAUD. They doped up an animal to make it look like it was in good shape in order to get a lot more money than they would otherwise have gotten. And while it may have been the trainers who did it, it was the Romneys who garnered the cash. Since the trainers were acting on the Romneys' behalf, and under their authority, it does reflect on the Romneys. Somehow, in all your lawyerly wisdom, you completely missed the salient legal issues. .
Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:53 PM
Monday, June 25, 2012 5:47 AM
Monday, June 25, 2012 4:36 PM
Quote: Really? Who got the money from the sale?
Monday, June 25, 2012 5:00 PM
Monday, June 25, 2012 7:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Hero: Quote: Really? Who got the money from the sale? The sale was not the point of the fraud. It was to conceal from both parties the true value of the horse.
Quote:The trainers were responsible to the Romney family, they failed to maintain the horse and failed to inform them of its condition. The fraud was to conceal their failure.
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: The trainers are in this case Romney's employees. If you pay an employee to do a job, and he perpetrates a fraud in the course of doing that job, and you make out like a bandit because of that fraud, are you suggesting that you have no liability at all for that fraud that was perpetrated in your name by your paid employee for your gain?
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