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Originally posted by Wishimay:
http://news.yahoo.com/german-court-outlaws-religious-circumcision-1727
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I can see what they are saying, I'll be the first to say that I don't approve of people popping out a girl and then getting it's ears pierced 20 minutes later when it doesn't really have a say, and though I think this is completely different than female circumcision... I'm ALL for male circumcision...I REALLY don't like men un-clipped...Looks just...wrong... Complete and TOTAL turn-off, for me, anyway.
Seems odd that they base the whole thing on a botch job were the kid didn't die?

Cue Piratenews....I don't suppose me saying WE'VE HEARD IT ALREADY!!! will stop him, hmmm?

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
http://news.yahoo.com/german-court-outlaws-religious-circumcision-1727
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I can see what they are saying, I'll be the first to say that I don't approve of people popping out a girl and then getting it's ears pierced 20 minutes later when it doesn't really have a say, and though I think this is completely different than female circumcision... I'm ALL for male circumcision...I REALLY don't like men un-clipped...Looks just...wrong... Complete and TOTAL turn-off, for me, anyway.
Seems odd that they base the whole thing on a botch job were the kid didn't die?

Cue Piratenews....I don't suppose me saying WE'VE HEARD IT ALREADY!!! will stop him, hmmm?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't blame me for being born with my "G-spot" outside of my insides, and then having it gutted from me 8 years before my first erection because "somebody" say's it's cool.....

Imagine the furor against the same practice to go against women and remove their "g-spot", on their insides, in the same way.....

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Don't blame me for being born with my "G-spot" outside of my insides, and then having it gutted from me 8 years before my first erection because "somebody" say's it's cool.....

Imagine the furor against the same practice to go against women and remove their "g-spot", on their insides, in the same way.....

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I doubt that the foreskin provides a whopping 90% of all potential stimulation. That seems extreme. Not that I agree with removing any portion of potential fun from a defenseless infant or child.


That said: In terms of equivalence, forget about the g-spot. Think clitoris. That's where the fun for women is easiest and most available and, would you look at that, it's also on the outside. The most brutal form of FGM is pretty much the equivalent of cutting off the entire head of the penis, or the entire penis, let alone the foreskin. Because it removes all outside bits. Whatever furor there is to be had, you don't need to imagine it. It's actually real.

But that's not this argument. The two procedures exist on different spheres of wrongness and it's not a competition.

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Uh, did you READ my earlier post??

Also, what does "white" have to do with it?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There is ZERO comparison here AR....

I don't give a shit if the foreskin only gave 10% more pleasure.....

If we were up in your pussy after you were 1 month old snipping away at shit, you'd be bringing an army down upon it now....

The only reason why "white" girls today don't do the same is that penises look "prettier" cut.....

Fuck you AR....

I'm sure you're cool otherwise....

But as to your "whatever" attitude about males being stripped of a majority of their sexuality at birth and nobody standing up for them but "6ix"......

Well....

Fuck you.....

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I've always said, that aside from the muscles and hair, the most unattractive attribute a man has is his nether-regions.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
I am. All three of my sons are, and it was not done for looks or religious reasons.

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Gee whiz! I cannot be the only person in the world who doesn't think genitalia are ugly...

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Ok, well ya ain't gotta answer 'cause I know that's a wee bit personal, but I am forced to guess skin issues like rashes or bacterial complications with yourself or women?
I'm susceptible to UTI's myself, so I'd have to think that an uncircumcised parter would have to be waay more diligent than I think most men would be willing to be.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Gee whiz! I cannot be the only person in the world who doesn't think genitalia are ugly...

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Yer not one of them fuzzy wuzzy's that croon "Oh the human body is soo beautiful in all it's forms" are ya? Have you seen cellulite??? I call my stretch marks "racing stripes" but it sure don't mean I think they are pretty.
Humanity CAN be beautiful in it's own grace, but I don't think anybody spongebathing an old or massively obese person in a nursing home would say ANY part of that is beautiful.....

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

No complications. It was a decision my wife and I made after talking with our pediatrician and looking at a bunch of studies. There are a wide range of potential medical benefits from circumcision.

A big factor was our pediatrician telling us that in all her years of practice the only problems with penises she had seen were in uncircumcised boys.

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
That's interesting! What were the potential complications of not circumcising? And thank you for sharing, btw.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
The only thing that could come close to deciding the matter is the observations of men who have experienced life both ways.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Heh.

So how many of you guys aren't or have *cough* friends that aren't? Do you know anyone that is circumcised and regrets it? 'Cause I think all of the guys I know ARE and they don't seem to have a problem getting off....if fact if anything...several have the "getting there a little tooo quick" problem...

Don't think they miss that piece of skin one bit...

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The only thing that could come close to deciding the matter is the observations of men who have experienced life both ways.

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Not really. Getting a circumcision later in life in nowhere near the same as having on just after birth.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Hmm. I have no penis, so I can't really know. But the scientist in me says we can only really know if we get the input of individuals who have experienced sex (and other things, like hygiene) with and without a foreskin. Otherwise, this 10% versus 90% stuff is pure nonsense.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Hmm. I have no penis, so I can't really know. But the scientist in me says we can only really know if we get the input of individuals who have experienced sex (and other things, like hygiene) with and without a foreskin. Otherwise, this 10% versus 90% stuff is pure nonsense.

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We can get the input from those people, with the understanding that their experience is still going to be different from that of a man who was circumcised as an infant. You have to remember children heal much faster and better than adults. I also believe that keratinization of the gland in infants is a bit different than that of adults.

Now there have been studies that have shown that intact men do have more sensitive penises than circumcised men. Even with that more sensation does not equal more please. There are plenty of women who can't stand direct stimulation of the clitoris. Some men do not like direct stimulation of the gland.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:


Really, though, I can't imagine a person of value who would leave a lover because of such a detail. And if they would put the breaks on intimacy because of it, it's probably for the best that such a pair never had intercourse anyway.

--Anthony

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Sex is pretty important to most relationships, I hear. And I don't think a person should be deemed "valueless" for things they find attractive or not. I don't think a lot of that is up to us. Some people have balloon sexual fetishes, or foot fetishes...I don't get either one, and I may find them odd, but I don't BLAME them for what they like as long as they ain't hurting other people...

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:


I also find it rather shallow to be attracted to someone, connect with them enough to have sex, then find the shape of their genitals offputting for some superficial aesthetic and then reject the person.
--Anthony

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Heh.

So how many of you guys aren't or have *cough* friends that aren't? Do you know anyone that is circumcised and regrets it? 'Cause I think all of the guys I know ARE and they don't seem to have a problem getting off....if fact if anything...several have the "getting there a little tooo quick" problem...

Don't think they miss that piece of skin one bit...

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

Oh, and it is ALWAYS a good idea to discuss such things BEFORE intimacy, along with "Are all your organs what you dress like, and do you have any extra bits I should know about??? Interestingly enough, multiple penises (penii??)on one person sound fun,

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My understanding of making such a decision is similar to M52NICKERSON's. No real overwhelming proof of one side over the other, and really, its a personal decision - or should be.

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As for the court decision - I guess senile old men wearing dresses and making idiotic decisions isn't exclusive to North American Supreme Courts.
"The fundamental right of the child to bodily integrity outweighed the fundamental rights of the parents"
"This change (of body integrity) contravenes the interests of the child to decide later on his religious beliefs."

Say what?

So now the state is in charge of making any and all such decisions until the child becomes of legal age? Good grief. I suppose they expect a child who wants this done to practice their religious freedom will now have to make an application to the court or will the child have to wait til they are "legal" adult age? Must be awful slow in the German Courts.
Of course, how many Doctors will be willing to do this on an adult?

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the point of getting it done when you're young is that it doesn't hurt as bad, you won't remember it anyway and your body will adapt normally

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I've always though a penis should be retractable and that women should have "loading bay doors" that open and close... Would fix a few things like it would make rape a hellofa lot harder to carry out...

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

S'funny - I got asked by one of my friends adult offspring as a snark, when detatching my prosthetics on the couch if *that* was detatchable too...
I just grinned and said "some assembly required" - she STILL breaks out in giggles when she hears those words.

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Pink haired Twitter weirdos are calling for Gal Gadot to be replaced

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Every citizen of Israel is mandated to serve 2 years in the IDF

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Jewish like to mutilate the penis of little kids

A time machine, let's go back.... No 'Pearl Harbor' yet... No Jewish porn merchants and Israeli Judean human smugglers and money launderers in America .... No Second World War...German emperor, Kaisers.

What if the USA avoided WW1
Would a Germanic Empire be attempting to give out Laws and Rules in the Middle East

If America avoided war would it have gained those technologies?
or would a new VonBraun have come along, a Libertarian Österreich JFK guy in some Germany land have come along and wanted to claim the Moon and Stars just in case some other Empire like like a Great Russian Empire, a Britannia or an Imperial France were to claim it first with their ships and rockets?

People died in the sandbox for thousands of years and its possible people will die there for many years more
Like a single tv show epsidoe stuck on re-run again and again or ...An old broken vinyl phonograph record stuck on repeat

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Free Speech may be dead

It's like the Mohammedans, the Feminists, the Marxists, the Antifas, the LGBTs, the BLMs, the Islamists, the Bolseviks all combined into one giant confused twitter outrage mob for hire.

Social media banned a sitting US President
censoring and deleting some actor or actress or media person will be much easier.

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Not all of them do, you do know not all of them serve?
You do know they have old religion type crazy ones causing religious trouble get a pass you know those very Jewish looking ones with long beards and blacks hats, the ones that get US police to follow them around as servants and Servicemen follow them around to change batteries and push buttons for them because something in the religion says they cant touch electronics...maybe a weird sect of Torah Talmudic Babylon Judaism or maybe soemthing is not Kosher about Electricity on Shabbat you know those Sikrikim of NYC and Israel, You know the ones biting the Foreskins off kids, you know a radical group of ultra-Orthodox Jews wearing Long Black Dress and moving into Palestine backyards and then claiming it, going into some other person's garden and building on someone else's front Yard and claim that land as theirs while getting the Tanks and Military to come in and back them up?
all the clever ones avoid also some legal excuse, some jump overseas for some random kind of work or study, some try to get into a job that's too important to way away from child minding maybe security maybe some random medical thing, some about to get called to serve are suddenly and currently living abroad so a good 60 to maybe 70 maybe 65% find ways to avoid military service
The crazy religion ones causing trouble, who preach to destroy, kill, defeat those who are not 'chosen people' these trouble religion ones automatically avoid service.

That mandatory military service, like Israel is sometimes not a good thing because stupid ones, drug addicts, those near-criminals in a bar fight after some booze, babbling hard to command crazy ones...a bullet misses its target a missile fired back instead blasts up some house owned by a Palestinian family, force them to service your rank suddenly gets filled with ones that are too dumb, too smart, too crazy for their own good.
at one time the US military would do tests on people, they use IQ testing to determine potential recruits' cognitive abilities, check people's personality to see which ones might be useful
...perhaps better than the days of a Vietnam War Draft
The US today has a Professional Army, the 'Conscripts' and forced service in other nations is something most of the US military brass itself doesn't and wouldn't want.

You know all those Guys Dress in Black Long Beards, and their Lobby in the White house that would surround Bush Snr, Clinton, and their friends in Black Dress and Black Coats and Black Pants and Long Bears in Israel...you know None of them have to serve in Israel?

Do you know none of these Troublesome Religious ones have to Serve?

History asks who claimed and bleeds on that land?
The old Assyrian, Babylon subject and citizens, Israelite, Greek, Persian, Macedonian, the neo Jewish, the neo muslim of Palestine, the Britrish Crusader, the Ottoman Turk, the Vedic Hindu Indian, Byzantine, Roman, Egyptian
'This Land Is Mine'?

It might even pre-date histories so How many tribes can you count claimed that place, invaded it, fucked it over, were born, were attacked, were breed and died in that place?

maybe that toon was the only thing that made sense...a cartoon
with a song

https://archive.org/details/ThisLandIsMine
vimeo.com/199418954
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2oq725



and...the Heavens, maybe the stars are calling America
The the Modern Israeli Jewish and the Muslim Arab of Palestine will come and go
but Who will take Mars, Saturn, Titan, the Moon, Neptune...will it be Japan or Russia or the United States of America or China or some Neo Corporation Nation?
Who will leave their city in the stars while others put so much time, money and energy fighting over the shithole that is the Middle East?

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