Gaffe Master speaks to empty room by whozit

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Gaffe Master speaks to empty room

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:53 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

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Originally posted by Geezer:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
I think Geezer will agree with me when I say that a more accurate headline for this picture would be "Romney speaks to almost excusively empty room.

Almost "excusively"? A room almost empty of excuses? Romney need make no excuses? Didn't know you were a Freudian Slip Conservative, Mike.

OH NOES! A typo! Drat it all!

If Romney need make no excuses, how come he makes so many excuses? Y'all on the right have gone from adoring Palin, who can't make a lick of sense on any issue, to now being on your knees in front of Romney, who takes at least two positions on EVERY issue.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:56 AM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Well, that doesn't surprise me. I imagine the number of African-Americans who wanted to hear what Romney had to say wasn't that many; maybe more like a "crash-on-the-side-of-the-road" curiosity.

And bear in mind that Romney had to bus in his own "token" supporters. And I'll bet it was hard for him to do, logistically, and took twice as many buses as it should have, since Romney insisted that all the black folks stay at the back of the bus! [/sarcasm]

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:06 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Oh go slither back under your rock Geeze, and pray nobody steps on it.
Alternatively, you could just keep digging, cause that's fun too.

So you thought you would post to tell Geezer to stop posting unless he wants to post more? Been awhile since you got your ego stroked by the peanut gallery here Frem?

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Frem posts things of more sense than you EVER did, my man. So get off his back. Or not. Or, more sensibly, just ignore him rather than posting drivel that does nothing but show your dislike for him.

(I know you don't need championing, Fremster, but I'm sick of this guy)

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:01 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Frem posts things of more sense than you EVER did, my man. So get off his back. Or not. Or, more sensibly, just ignore him rather than posting drivel that does nothing but show your dislike for him.

Sorry Niki, my bad. I did not get the rules of RWED where it lays out exactly who can post what to whom, when and where. I did not realize that Frem could troll Geezer but I could not troll Frem for trolling Geezer. Please continue to "lay down the law" so we can clean up RWED and it can finally become the place you always hoped it could be.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
(I know you don't need championing, Fremster, but I'm sick of this guy)

Please feel free to follow your own advice and ignore me.

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:22 AM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by Geezer:

First picture, I estimate 400 or 500 people.

Second picture, can only see around 300 due to tight shot. May be more off-camera but have no evidence of that.

Third picture, again about 400 to 500 people, and again may be more off camera but no proof.

Right.... and the forth pic, which you ignore, from the actual event, shows a lot more. But now one has a case but you, right?

Damn, age apparently has done a real number on you.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:41 AM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I think it's very obvious that more people arrived after the original pic was taken. Even so, the whole first picture was clearly taken from a perspective designed to convey the impression of an empty room.

Later pictures were taken from a perspective designed to convey the impression of a full room.

Cameras are reliable witnesses, but they can only witness what they are told to witness. Perspective means a great deal, and clearly different people took pictures with the intention of focusing on different perspectives.

That room is huge, and people are arguing over whether the glass was half empty or half full as though the distinction will prove a point.

I do not believe the room was ever full. It certainly was also not empty nor even mostly empty during the presenter's appearance.

This thread is the definition of a propaganda and counter-propaganda campaign.

--Anthony

Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

“The stupid neither forgive nor forget; the naive forgive and forget; the wise forgive but do not forget.” -Thomas Szasz

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:34 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Oh go slither back under your rock Geeze, and pray nobody steps on it.
Alternatively, you could just keep digging, cause that's fun too.

So you thought you would post to tell Geezer to stop posting unless he wants to post more? Been awhile since you got your ego stroked by the peanut gallery here Frem?

So you're here to flirt with Geezer in hopes y'all can stroke each others... um... *egos*?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:35 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by BIGDAMNNOBODY:
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Frem posts things of more sense than you EVER did, my man. So get off his back. Or not. Or, more sensibly, just ignore him rather than posting drivel that does nothing but show your dislike for him.

Sorry Niki, my bad. I did not get the rules of RWED where it lays out exactly who can post what to whom, when and where. I did not realize that Frem could troll Geezer but I could not troll Frem for trolling Geezer. Please continue to "lay down the law" so we can clean up RWED and it can finally become the place you always hoped it could be.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
(I know you don't need championing, Fremster, but I'm sick of this guy)

Please feel free to follow your own advice and ignore me.

Well, at least he finally admits he's nothing but a troll... Not like that's any kind of news flash, of course.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:38 PM

STORYMARK

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:

That room is huge, and people are arguing over whether the glass was half empty or half full as though the distinction will prove a point.

While you make good points - most people were simply arguing that the glass was not empty to begin with, while others demanded a full milk jug before acknowledging this.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:43 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're here to flirt with Geezer in hopes y'all can stroke each others... um... *egos*?

But according to you, I'm not even a real live person, just a sock puppet.
I guess it's a start that you at least have come to realize that it is possible for more than one person to find your persona insufferable.

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:50 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Well, at least he finally admits he's nothing but a troll... Not like that's any kind of news flash, of course.

For those paying attention, I have never tried to claim otherwise. I could care less what label is hung around me, it changes not who I am or what I do.
It is you, IMHO, who seems to care about puerile nonsense like that.

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:11 PM

KWICKO

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
So you're here to flirt with Geezer in hopes y'all can stroke each others... um... *egos*?

But according to you, I'm not even a real live person, just a sock puppet.
I guess it's a start that you at least have come to realize that it is possible for more than one person to find your persona insufferable.

You aren't too bright, are you? Do you really imagine that sockpuppet alters post without any human interaction behind them?

Every sockpuppet is manned by a real human, but is not a separate human. One human can have an infinite number of sockpuppets. Some here have several. Some just have a few.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 1:41 PM

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You aren't too bright, are you? Do you really imagine that sockpuppet alters post without any human interaction behind them?

Every sockpuppet is manned by a real human, but is not a separate human. One human can have in infinite number of sockpuppets. Some here have several. Some just have a few.

Quoted for posterity.

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

So, quick poll of anyone who's interested - do you see 400 - 500 people in this picture?

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Originally posted by Geezer:
Your answer is in what I've already written. Apparently you, Story and Mike are just plain too stupid (or just too blinded by your bias) to see it, so let's try again.

First picture, I estimate 400 or 500 people.

Second picture, can only see around 300 due to tight shot. May be more off-camera but have no evidence of that.

Third picture, again about 400 to 500 people, and again may be more off camera but no proof.

Now take off your blinders, read the previous three sentences WITHOUT thinking about who wrote them, and you'll have your answer. I bet you can't do it.

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"... most people were simply arguing that the glass was not empty to begin with, while others demanded a full milk jug before acknowledging this."

Yes.

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:58 PM

KWICKO

Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
You aren't too bright, are you? Do you really imagine that sockpuppet alters post without any human interaction behind them?

Every sockpuppet is manned by a real human, but is not a separate human. One human can have in infinite number of sockpuppets. Some here have several. Some just have a few.

Quoted for posterity.

Promise? Do I get a plaque or something? I feel so honored. It's like I just taught Helen Keller to sign "water" or something.

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:18 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Oh go slither back under your rock Geeze, and pray nobody steps on it.
Alternatively, you could just keep digging, cause that's fun too.

-F

Sorry, Frem, but you go on the stupid list too. I thought you might figure it out, but your blinders seem to be rivited on as well.

So here it is again.

First picture: Wide angle shot of a crowd (note the word 'crowd', as it is key here) surrounded by empty chairs. I estimate 400 to 500 people in this CROWD in a room that could hold maybe 1800, so the room is 25% full.

Second picture: Niki's picture. "Ah hah," she says. "I found one of the actual event: Doesn't show how many empty seats there might have been behind this crowd, but it's of the event itself anyway, not before it."
It's a closeup of crowd (There's that "crowd" word again.) only shows about 300 seats (and no empty chairs), so there can only be 300 folks in the picture, but it appears that the CROWD extends beyond the edges of the frame, so there are probably more folks not in camera. I estimate the CROWD at about the 400 to 500 shown in the first picture.

So I say, "Looks like both pictures show about the same crowd. The first one's just farther away with a wider angle."

This would mean that I consider that both photos show a CROWD (which pretty much means all the whining about claiming an "empty room" is bogus) of about the same size, and that I consider Niki's photo to correctly portray about the number of people that are in that CROWD. The CROWD in the first picture just looks smaller because it shows more of the hall.

Now if I consider Niki's photo to be correct, what does that mean I'm doing?

Let me help you.

I'm a----ing with Niki.

And then Kiki ignores what I say and goes off on what she thinks(if I may used that term broadly) I am, and I really enjoy seeing her get more and more wound up until all you can hear is kind'a a high-pitched whine.

But let's review.

I note that there's a CROWD in both pictures.

I note that the crowd in the first picture looks smaller than the one in the second (Niki's) picture only because it is a wider angle shot, but is in reality probably the same size as the crowd in Niki's picture.

If you haven't got it yet, Here's the answer.

Select to view spoiler:

I'm agreeing with Niki about the size of the crowd.

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Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Provide a picture that shows the entire hall with more folks in it than the first picture, and you have a case.

QED - and you're not really going to insist there are 400 - 500 people in the first picture - are you?

SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:53 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
QED - and you're not really going to insist there are 400 - 500 people in the first picture - are you?

Okay, Kiki. Now I've completely lost track of whatever point you think (if you could call it that) you're trying to make.

As noted above, several times, I think that the camera location and wide angle make the crowd in the first picture look smaller than the crowd in the second picture (Niki's picture), although they are probably about the same size.

I'm AGREEING with Niki, you nitwit!

Edit to add:

Yes. I'm editing this post, but I'm telling you so you don't have to put it in the vault.

Look at your picture (picture #3).

Count the number of rows of chairs from the stage back to the camera riser. How many do you get?

Count the number of chairs across one row. How many do you get?

Multiply the first number by the second number. What total do you get?

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Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:50 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

This argument was pretty silly to begin with...then it got sillier, and now it is so far past silly it isn't funny. The simple fact that Whatzit's attempt to say "Gaffe Master speaks to empty room" is totally false...how many there were in each picture is kind of irrelevant; Whatzit was wrong, period. Continuing to argue about it is, well, just plain silly. One has to wonder what people feel they have to gain by continuing to argue.

I get the snarking about "rules"...the amusing thing is, I've got just as much right to snark at anyone I want as everyone else has, and nowhere did I say anything to indicate any attempt to "control" anything. He snarked at Frem, I snarked back at him. Fair on both counts. End of story.

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