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More Voter Fraud By the GOP (Allegedly). In Other Words, Same S**t, Different Day.

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Thursday, July 26, 2012 3:33 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



Republican candidate quits after companion caught voting while dead

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A Republican candidate for supervisor in Pinal County, Arizona has with withdrawn following allegations that his former companion continued to cast absentee ballots five years after her death.

In a statement issued by his attorneys, John Enright said he was quitting “for several reasons, including an almost year-long battle with cancer,” but did not address the voter fraud allegations, according the The Arizona Republic.

Several weeks ago, the Pinal County Recorder’s Office received an anonymous letter that claimed that absentee ballots had been cast by Sheila Nassar as late as this this year, even though she had died on Feb. 3, 2007. Enright had lived with with Nassar until the time of her death.

In a YouTube video released on Saturday, Enright’s new wife, Sharon Keiser, sits beside him while he explains that he was “surprised” to learn of the voter fraud allegations surrounding Nassar, who he called his “life companion” and former high school girlfriend.

“What I can say is I look forward to learning more about these allegations,” the then-candidate insists in the video. “If they are indeed formal allegations, I will defend myself. I very much look forward to clearing my name.”



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/07/26/republican-candidate-quits-after
-companion-caught-voting-while-dead
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This is exactly the kind of voter fraud that ID laws don't do anything to address. And it's far and away the most common kind of voter fraud.






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Thursday, July 26, 2012 3:45 PM

ANTHONYT

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Hello,

Elections are too important to be left to chance.

--Anthony



Note to Self:
Raptor - woman testifying about birth control is a slut (the term fits.)
Six - Wow, isn't Niki quite the CUNT? And, yes, I spell that in all caps....
Wulf - Niki is a stupid fucking bitch who should hurry up and die.

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Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:13 PM

AURAPTOR

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99% of the voter fraud is committed by the Democrats. It's a wonder any Republicans get elected at all. Eventually, it's only natural that some rare, crooked fool would try to beat the Dems at their own game.

Why is the Left so hell bent against voter ID laws ?

We know why.


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Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:23 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
99% of the voter fraud is committed by the Democrats.




Cites? Got any kind of studies or statistical analysis to support such a statement?


And just so we're all on the same page, is that a "fact", or is it a "claim"?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


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Friday, July 27, 2012 12:24 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


It's not even a "claim"...it's purely right-wing rhetoric, and we all know it. Voter fraud IS so slight as to be virtually nonexistent, study after study has shown this.
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Voter fraud is extremely rare. Studies show that fraud occurs an average of 0.00004%-0.0009% of the time, but when voter fraud occurs, it is likely that it is a Republican who will be charged. http://www.politicususa.com/republican-voter-fraud.html from the microscopically scrutinized 2004 gubernatorial election in Washington State actually reveals just the opposite: though voter fraud does happen, it happens approximately 0.0009% of the time. The similarly closely-analyzed 2004 election in Ohio revealed a voter fraud rate of 0.00004%. http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_trut
h_about_voter_fraud/
recent letter (“Get serious about voter fraud,” June 22) stated that voter fraud needs to be tackled by the state of Maryland. The writer is wrong.

The Justice Department, in a study of 1997-2006, determined there were 130 federal public convictions in Maryland; that’s about one per month for 10 years. I could end this letter now, but there’s more.

In Texas, from 2002-12, fewer than half of 57 election fraud prosecutions resulted in a guilty verdict. There were actually 311 accusations, but these were the only final figures available.

The Republican National Lawyers Association attempted to discredit a National Association for the Advancement of Colored People report on the lack of voter fraud evidence. Viewing data for the period 2000-10, the RNLA bolstered the view that there is no need for voter ID laws imposed by many states. The report demonstrates there is no link between voter fraud in states and the need for stricter voter ID laws.

Voting fraud is so rare it’s practically nonexistent. The Brennan Center for Justice at NYU’s Law School found that we are more likely to be struck by lightning than to commit voter-impersonation fraud.

Disenfranchisement is the true goal of many claiming voter fraud. Twenty-one million American citizens lack the photo ID that would be required under voter ID laws. Because of the laws’ discriminatory effect, the Justice Department has been able to block voter ID laws in states with prior histories of discrimination — such as South Carolina and Texas — under the Voting Rights Act. For some of these people to actually obtain an ID would be a hardship; some have enough trouble just getting out to vote.

The ACLU and the NAACP are suing to overturn Pennsylvania’s voter ID law. Their lead plaintiff: 93-year-old Viviette Applewhite, who marched with Martin Luther King Jr. and has voted regularly since 1960. Viviette never learned to drive; she lost her photo ID when her purse was stolen years ago. She’s tried to obtain a new ID, but the state can’t find her birth certificate and so won’t issue one. Here’s hoping Viviette gets to vote this November, with no ID required.

When even the REPUBLICAN National Lawyer's Association looks at the facts and agrees, you know right-wing talking points are bullshit.
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A Pinal County supervisor candidate has withdrawn from the race in the wake of voter-fraud allegations involving a former companion who, records show, has continued to vote by absentee ballot in the five years since her death.

John Enright, 66, had been seeking the Republican nomination for county supervisor of District 5, an area that includes Apache Junction and Gold Canyon.

He withdrew from the race Wednesday in a letter to Pinal County Elections Director Steve Kizer.

His statement made no mention of the scandal unleashed in an anonymous, undated letter sent several weeks ago to the Pinal County Recorder's Office. As recently as this year, the letter alleged, someone had been filling out and mailing in absentee ballots addressed to a woman who died on Feb. 3, 2007. The woman, Sheila Nassar, and Enright lived together at the time of her death. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021024093]
So let's see your facts that more Dems perpetrate actual voter fraud. Not registration fraud; both sides have been found to have committed registration fraud. I dare you. Meanwhile:
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Yesterday in Wisconsin, a hidden camera caught a certain Republican voter ID law advocate violating the assembly rules to cheat and vote for colleagues who were not present. This is also referred to as vote fraud. http://www.politicususa.com/tape-republican-breaking-voting.html Secretary of State in Indiana has been found guilty of committing voter fraud. Charlie White was convicted of 6 felony charges, three of which involve voter fraud. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/02/05/indiana-republican-secretary-o
f-state-found-guilty-of-voter-fraud/
, and on top of that, he not only committed voter fraud in 2010, but wasn’t even eligible to seek the office to which he was elected. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/another_gop_
official_caught_co034290.php
of the GOP's favorite myths is that "dead voters" are voting in Michigan. Seeking proof, GOP Secretary of State Ruth Johnson started a secret study after she was elected. Tens of thousands of voters were studied. The Bureau of Elections staff found no evidence of "dead voters" voting in Michigan.

Undeterred, Johnson tried to prove another GOP myth by ordering all local election officials to report whether any non-citizens voted or attempted to vote in the Feb. 28, 2012, presidential primary. With about 1.2 million voters in that primary, if GOP rhetoric were true, one would expect that hordes of "noncitizens" voted on Feb. 28.

The truth? Four voters — less than a handful, and .0003 percent of all voters — may have been non-citizens. Were they even Democrats? No. All four came from Republican areas of the state!

While Johnson has failed to prove that dead and noncitizens are voting, it is Michigan Republicans who are busy actually committing election fraud. It began last month when former Democratic State Rep. Roy Schmidt switched parties to file as a Republican just minutes before the filing deadline.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120609/OPINION01/206090312#ixzz21
rQkXZI9


The same person who submitted Schmidt's GOP candidate affidavit also submitted the false candidate affidavit of fake Democrat Matt Mojzak, the best friend of Schmidt's nephew. Schmidt and GOP House Speaker Jase Bolger plotted the switch for weeks and Bolger helped with the candidate's filings. The incident is currently being investigated by the Michigan State Police.

With the Schmidt and Bolger scandal unraveling in west Michigan, we learned that more GOP election fraud occurred in southeast Michigan. Rep. Thad McCotter submitted nearly 2,000 petition signatures to be eligible for the August primary ballot, but the Secretary of State determined only 244 of those were valid. Signatures from a previous campaign as well as photocopied signed petitions were used. That's election fraud. The attorney general is now investigating.

McCotter's 14 petition circulators included five McCotter congressional staffers, a candidate for the Livonia School Board, the president of the Troy-Clawson Republican Forum, Milford Township's supervisor, an Oakland County road commissioner, and GOP activists. http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120609/OPINION01/206090312]
During the GOP nomination process:
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While Chairman of the state's Republican Party, Charlie Webster, was pretending that massive voter fraud was occurring in Maine, he has now, himself committed a massive case of election fraud by announcing the winner of last week's Maine Caucuses as Mitt Romney despite his full knowledge that voters in at least three different counties have been entirely disenfranchised, with their votes not included in his "final" results. Many of those voters haven't even been allowed to cast their votes yet at all.

Last Saturday Night, the scheduled end of the week long state caucuses, Webster announced before live television cameras with much fanfare: "I'm now gonna announce the winner of the Maine GOP poll. And that winner is Mitt Romney."

But Webster was lying, and committing a massive act of knowing election fraud in the process as he made his announcement. His deceptive act was simply the latest in a grotesque and growing series of election fraud acts carried out this year by high-level GOP personalities and officials, including confirmed and alleged fraud by several of the party's Presidential contenders...

Webster announced the supposed results of the 2012 Maine Republican Caucuses before all caucuses had even been held. While the margin between Romney and Paul at that point was reportedly around 3% points, that translates into just 194 votes given the anemic reported turnout this year in Maine. The caucuses in Washington County, previously scheduled to be held last Saturday, were postponed until this coming Saturday, thanks to a predicted snow storm which never came.

The man who canceled [the caucus there] was a Mitt Romney supporter. ... And the snow storm he predicted didn't happen. Additionally, according to the state GOP's currently reported results [PDF], Kennebec County's town of Waterville shows 0 votes cast at the town's caucus because the clerk failed to call in the results of those votes on time.

Waldo County's towns are almost all zeroed out as well. The GOP's results document also shows a number of towns in other counties similarly showing 0 votes cast. So all of this amounts to missing votes in at least three of Maine's 16 counties. http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9123 900 ‘dead people’ cast their votes in South Carolina and Iowa GOP Chairman Matt Strawn recently stepped down amidst vote controversy. http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/05/nevada-clark-county-vote-fraud/ True, 28, of Moulton, said he helped count the votes and jotted the results down on a piece of paper to post to his Facebook page. He said when he checked to make sure the Republican Party of Iowa got the count right, he said he was shocked to find they hadn't.

"When Mitt Romney won Iowa by eight votes and I've got a 20-vote discrepancy here, that right there says Rick Santorum won Iowa," True said. "Not Mitt Romney."

True said at his 53-person caucus at the Garrett Memorial Library, Romney received two votes. According to the Iowa Republican Party's website, True's precinct cast 22 votes for Romney.

"This is huge," True said. "It essentially changes who won."

A spokeswoman with the Iowa Republican Party said True is not a precinct captain and he's not a county chairperson so he has no business talking about election results. She also said the party would not be giving interviews about possible discrepancies until the caucus vote is certified. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/06/1052180/-Iowa-GOP-Vote-Fraud-
By-the-Iowa-GOP
]
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Florida’s former Republican Party chairman Jim Greer, who, scorned by his party and in deep legal trouble, blew the lid off what he claims was a systemic effort to suppress the black vote. In a 630-page deposition recorded over two days in late May, Greer, who is on trial for corruption charges, unloaded a litany of charges against the “whack-a-do, right-wing crazies” in his party, including the effort to suppress the black vote.

In the deposition, released to the press yesterday, Greer mentioned a December 2009 meeting with party officials. “I was upset because the political consultants and staff were talking about voter suppression and keeping blacks from voting,” he said, according to the Tampa Bay Times. He also said party officials discussed how “minority outreach programs were not fit for the Republican Party,” according to the AP. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=40348413

All thea bove came from the FIRST PAGE of a Google search for "Republican voter fraud".

Ball's in your court...


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Friday, July 27, 2012 1:19 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
99% of the voter fraud is committed by the Democrats.




Cites? Got any kind of studies or statistical analysis to support such a statement?


And just so we're all on the same page, is that a "fact", or is it a "claim"?





Crickets. Zero evidence. Pretty much what I expect from Rappy. No wonder he's such a big fan of Romney - he acts just like him! Make some wild-ass, completely baseless, unsupportable claim, and then run away when asked for any kind of evidence.



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Friday, July 27, 2012 3:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
99% of the voter fraud is committed by the Democrats.




Cites? Got any kind of studies or statistical analysis to support such a statement?


And just so we're all on the same page, is that a "fact", or is it a "claim"?





Crickets. Zero evidence. Pretty much what I expect from Rappy. No wonder he's such a big fan of Romney - he acts just like him! Make some wild-ass, completely baseless, unsupportable claim, and then run away when asked for any kind of evidence.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll




I didn't bother looking up any evidence because I think the overall behavior dictates the true answer to this question.

The Rethugs want picture IDs to vote and the Demons don't.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which side is gaming the system in that regard.... let alone one wasted second of researching any articles on the issue either way.

I've got much better shit to do.



"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Friday, July 27, 2012 4:12 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Yeah, it's really easy to see who's gaming the system: just ask the GOP. In Florida, they say the aim was to suppress the black vote.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll

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Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:43 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yeah, it's really easy to see who's gaming the system: just ask the GOP. In Florida, they say the aim was to suppress the black vote.



This is an issue that would be cleared up if we could use photo IDs at the booth, correct?

Last time I checked, it's been strictly a Leftist partisan push against such practices.

I'm not talking about one incident here Kwick, or any more "symptoms" of the disease you can put out there to prove that point. Hell... I agree with you on that one.

Just saying that your argument here would be nullified if you had to have a picture ID to vote and the Democrats are the only ones behind stopping that from happening.

The blacks in Florida at the time, in this case were the sacrificial lambs. That is, until the Democrats still got their way of not carding for a vote AND they got to further make the Repugs look worse for this incident.



I still have to show a picture ID at a new liquor store today and I'm 32 years old. Why can't we just make that a law for voting too?

We'll just say that it's to ensure that nobody under 18 is voting illegally.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Monday, July 30, 2012 10:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Your argument, as is always the case with this issue, is specious. Here's an even simple fact for you:

We never HAD a real problem with voter fraud in this country, yet the Republicans want to institute these methods: WHY? If there's no problem, why do something to counteract it? You haven't taken into account that it's The 2010 elections' big shift toward Republican control of state legislatures that started all this. You talk abou how the Repubs put it in action and only the Dems have fought back; did you ever consider that the only Repubs are the ones responsible for putting something in action for the first time in our country which is WRONG, for their own reasons, once they got the power to do so?

You just don't GET that many, many people will be kept from voting, in order to supposedly eliminate a problem which doesn't really exist. In other words, why would the Republicans (party of fiscal conservatism, remember) want to spend TONS of taxpayer money to put into practice something which "solves" a problem which doesn't exist? That the Dems are fighting back against it is only logical: It will curtail many, many more people's right to vote than it will cure any voter fraud. This is America; we treasure our democracy and right to vote; why would they do this when it isn't necessary?

Bear in mind, also, that the Republicans have been responsible in the past numerous times for putting in place methods that would limit the votes of minorities--it has been such a problem that the federal government has made changes to voting laws have to be REVIEWED to be sure they don't disenfranchise voters.

Which is more likely: That the Repubs put this in place to solve a voter fraud problem which is minimal, or this is yet another of the proven efforts in the past to eliminate minority votes? Try logic on that one.

And try thinking about this:
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Although the United States has long prided itself on being a paragon of democracy, the ideal of one person, one vote – universal suffrage – was not achieved until nearly two hundred years after the nation’s founding. The right to vote was originally limited to adult white male property owners. Other sectors of the U.S. population achieved the franchise only slowly and fitfully. Universal suffrage did not become a clearly embraced American national value until the 1960s – and even since then there have been efforts to curtail rights and make voting more difficult. Some in the United States still regard voting as a “privilege” rather than a right.

The prolonged and diverse conflicts over voting throughout American history shed new light on our political institutions and values – and may also help us better understand the ongoing struggles about democratization so visible in other parts of the world.

Efforts to secure universal suffrage in the United States have been long and arduous:

• Several important social movements in U.S. history were decades-long struggles to gain voting rights for particular groups of citizens. Women’s suffrage activism was born from the pre-Civil War movement against slavery, and it took seventy years, until the Nineteenth Amendment, to complete the job. Movements for African-American suffrage took longer and suffered huge reversals. Many Native Americans were denied the vote until the 1950s.

• Class dynamics have also been central to fights over voting rights. From the outset, segments of our nation’s elites feared political participation by workers and the poor. Alarmed elites hindered major extensions of the franchise and have periodically sought to reduce voting by the less advantaged.

• The long-term trend has been towards greater inclusion, but progress has not been smooth or steady, and there have been recurrent setbacks. Rollbacks of voting rights happened, for example, to women in New Jersey; to African-Americans in many states at various times; and to dependent poor people. For non-elites, voting rights are neither certain nor fixed. Indeed, periodic restrictions on the franchise, coupled with active resistance to each major push forward in voting rights, tells us that there have always been significant numbers of Americans who do not accept voting in democratic elections as a universal right.

For much of U.S. history, suffrage requirements were not uniform across the United States, as the states were free to define their own electorates. In practice, this often meant that different states were able to discriminate against minorities of their own choosing – including, in various places, African-Americans, Native-Americans, Chinese immigrants, and non-English speaking people.

Struggles over voting rights and their exercise continue in the United States today – and contemporary efforts to extend or restrict voting resemble similar attempts from the past:

• Waves of immigrants are arriving in America today, and some localities want to extend certain voting rights to the newcomers even before they become citizens. This is not without precedent. From the early 19th century until the 1920s, non-citizens could vote in many states, where voting rights were extended to immigrants who had resided in the United States for three years and declared their intent to become citizens.
• “Voter suppression” refers to practices or laws that discourage or block participation by categories of people who cannot be formally denied the right to vote. Historically, such efforts occurred after expansions of voting rights, when many new voters were added to election rolls. Similarly, in our era, the extension of voting rights to African Americans in the 1960s has been followed by efforts in many states to discourage black voting – by making it hard to register or requiring picture IDs at the voting booth, and by suspending voting rights for former prisoners. Many scholars think that such steps are no coincidence.

History certainly underscores that the right to vote in the United States has always been contested, especially for less privileged citizens. Voting rights are far from automatic, and can never be taken for granted. http://www.scholarsstrategynetwork.org/sites/default/files/ssn_key_fin
dings_keyssar_on_right_to_vote_0.pdf
]
As to how easy it is for YOU to acquire an ID and who needed one prior to now,
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Having a driver's license or photo identification card is commonplace for most Americans, but about 11 percent of adult citizens — more than 21 million people — lack a valid, government-issued photo ID, according to a study by the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law.
.....
The trend alarms voting advocates like Lawrence Norden, acting director of the Brennan Center's Democracy Program, who said photo ID laws hit older people, the poor, African Americans and students the hardest. "This is the first time in decades that we have seen a reversal in what has been a steady expansion of voting rights in the United States," Norden said. "There's no question that citizens over 65 will be particularly impacted. The older you get, the more likely you won't have an ID."

Nearly one in five citizens over 65 — about 8 million — lacks a current, government-issued photo ID, a 2006 Brennan Center study found. Most people prove their eligibility to vote with a driver's license, but people over 65 often give up their license and don't replace it with the state-issued ID that some states offer non-driving residents. People over 65 also are more likely to lack birth certificates because they were born before recording births was standard procedure. http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-01-2012
/voter-id-laws-impact-older-americans.html
]
So how do you compare eliminating the right to vote for MILLIONS of people when there's, at most, "hundreds" of examples of voter fraud (if that, because there's no evidence the numbers are that high)?

Try this one on for size, and extrapolate it to all those elderly out there who don't HAVE a daughter to go to bat for them:
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Editor:

I live in Pennsylvania and I am very concerned about our voter ID law that is now in place.

Let me tell you my own personal experience with this new law.

On May 5, my mother's driver's license was set to expire.

Since she has long ago given up driving, I downloaded the form from the Pennsylvania Web site that would replace one's driver's license with a photo ID.

I mailed this form to Harrisburg, along with her driver's license.

The Web site claimed that it should take no longer than 15 days to receive her photo ID in the mail. Well, 15 days came and went. I called the number for "inquires." I sat on the phone for nearly 20 minutes listening to elevator music.

Eventually, a man came on the phone.

I explained my concerns regarding my mother's photo ID.

After insisting that he first talk to her to "verify" that I was indeed her daughter, he then pulled up her record and confirmed that they received her driver's license but that there was no request submitted for them to send her a photo ID.

He then told me that someone would call me back in three to four days.

Yup, you guessed it - no one called back. Again, I tried calling. This time I went directly to voice mail. I did not even bother to leave a message. Instead, my mother and I drove 25 miles, with all her original documentation, (birth certificate, SS card, etc.) and we then got her a Pennsylvania photo ID. My complaint here is that, if you are going to implement such a law, one should damn well have the resources to follow through with it. And yes, we will vote for Obama.

Delinda Jensen


Then there are minorities:
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Many of these laws require photo IDs like drivers licenses. Although it may seem logical to require such forms of identification at the voting booth, the reality is that acquiring such forms of identification is costly to voters. In fact, proponents of these laws point to the state of Wisconsin as riddled with voter fraud. This claim is baseless; out of three million votes cast in 2004, there was found to be a fraud rate of .0002 percent, according to the Brennan Center.

Proponents of voter ID laws, like Alabama Congressman Artur Davis, claim that voting is no different from cashing checks or using a public library; all are activities that do and should require ID. Congressman Davis ignores that voting is a fundamental constitutional right. One doesn’t need an ID when practicing freedom of speech; why is the freedom to vote any different?

States like Texas that are challenging the Justice Department suspension of their laws are more concerned with politics than liberty. Texas could not prove to the Justice Department that its law did not violate Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, which requires all changes in voting practices to be neutral in their affect on minorities.

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•Even though the government-issued photo ID is free, the list of documents required to get the ID is too restrictive and the documents on it are often not free and are difficult to obtain for many Tennesseans. Expenses involved in acquiring a photo ID card, including travel time, transportation, lost wages, and costs for the back-up identification necessary to obtain a photo ID essentially constitute a poll tax, and will prevent some individuals from voting.

•Such requirements typically have a disparate impact on rural residents, minorities, seniors and limited-income and disabled people, who are less likely to have access to the documents required to obtain a photo ID. An Advancement Project study show that 11 percent of eligible voters don’t have updated, government-issued photo IDs: 25 percent of African Americans, 15 percent of those earning less than $35,000, 18 percent of citizens age 65 or older and 20 percent of voters age 18 to 29.

•This law is a solution in search of a problem. While supporters argue that it is necessary to require photo IDs in order to combat efforts to skew elections, studies clearly show that there is virtually no evidence of any organized voter fraud, nor evidence that photo ID laws would prevent fraud. Lawmakers should be making it easier, not harder, for people to vote.

•Even if voter fraud did exist, the law would fail to adequately address it as any individual willing to commit voter fraud will likely be just as willing to sign a false affidavit attesting to indigency or a religious objection.

•In the short time since its implementation, this bill has already made voting difficult for numerous voters. The news has captured some of these stories, and these are just the beginning:
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Al Star, a Nashville homeless man, says he got the runaround from the Department of Safety when he attempted a few days before Thanksgiving to apply for a free state identification to vote, eventually having to call an aide to U.S. Rep. Jim Cooper before receiving the ID.

Star, 59, says a clerk at the Department of Safety’s office in the Snodgrass building near the Capitol initially refused to issue him a free ID to replace his lost driver’s license, saying instead that he would have to pay $12 for a replacement. Star says he told the clerk that he no longer needed a driver’s license because he doesn’t own a car and had stated clearly on his application that he only wanted an ID to vote.

“She felt that I was homeless, which I am, and she didn’t want to help me with anything with the government,” he said. “She acted like, ‘Look at this, nobody’s going to help him out anyway, because he’s homeless.’”

Krissa Barclay, a Cooper aide who works in downtown Nashville, says she had to go up to the driver services center to convince the clerk to issue Star the ID. She told The Tennessean about Star’s case afterward.

The episode differs from recent case in Chattanooga in which a 96-year-old woman was initially denied a voter ID because her married name did not match the name on her birth certificate. http://blogs.tennessean.com/politics/2011/nashville-homeless-man-says-
he-got-voter-id-runaround/
people would have just paid the $8 fee to obtain a photo ID required to vote in Tennessee. Not Lee Campbell. The retired teacher and his wife fought for their right to a free photo ID and on Monday went to Capitol Hill to complain about what he called a “poll tax.”

Campbell, a Utah native who taught and served as a teacher and a guidance counselor for 42 years and has voted in every presidential election since 1964, testified before a panel sponsored by Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee on Monday that he “experienced first-hand the harmful impact of all these voting changes that are springing up across America.”

Campbell said he had to “fight for my right to have a voter ID be given to me according to the law’s intent — FREE.”

“I traveled to my local DMV and I approached the worker at the information desk and stated that my wife was here and wanted to obtain the FREE voter ID,” Campbell said. “The person responded with a non verbal sigh, a sigh in effect indicated ‘oh no, not that.’ The worker then suggested why not just get a duplicate license for a fee of $8? Cognizant of the fact that a senior citizen friend, Mr. Steve Blankenship of Murfreesboro, in the previous month had PAID the $8 fee, I replied, ‘no, we want the FREE voter photo.’”

Campbell testified that the worker went up to three different employees and told him there would be no charge. But Campbell said the process delayed the line, which was already about 30 people deep. From Campbell’s testimony:
Quote:

I want to state right now that paying the $8 fee was not the question as we could easily afford that. The point was the state legislature in passing this law had emphasized that the photo was to be free. Otherwise, in my opinion the fee could be considered a poll tax.
Campbell said he and his wife had to wait 58 minutes to get her photo ID. He said that he’s concluded that unless a person “stands their ground,” the drivers’ testing center is going to charge a fee for the photo.

He also testified that he ran into a former teaching colleague last week who is 80-years-old and requires a cane.

“This person stated that voting was out of the question in the future. The principle reason is waiting in a long line to get a photograph,” Campbell said.

“The person then stated that perhaps a relative would take said person to the Drivers’ Testing Center. Whether this person ever votes again is highly speculative,” he said. http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/tennessee_resident_t
estifies_its_tough_to_get_a_free_voter_id.php
Virginia Lasater says she was unable to obtain a voter ID because she was physically unable to stand in a long line at a driver testing center.

Lasater told The Daily News Journal that she has voted and worked in campaigns for 70 years ( http://bit.ly/pQiphH). She recently moved to Murfreesboro and on Wednesday registered to vote at the local election commission.

A new law requires voters to show a photo ID at the polls. Since Lasater doesn't have a photo on her driver's license, she went to get one. But the testing center was packed and there were no chairs available.

Her son says a clerk told them there was nothing they could do. http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9037359 Cooper is 96 but she can remember only one election when she's been eligible to vote but hasn't.

The retired domestic worker was born in a small North Georgia town before women had the right to vote. She began casting ballots in her 20s after moving to Chattanooga for work. She missed voting for John F. Kennedy in 1960 because a move to Nashville prevented her from registering in time.

So when she learned last month at a community meeting that under a new state law she'd need a photo ID to vote next year, she talked with a volunteer about how to get to a state Driver Service Center to get her free ID. But when she got there Monday with an envelope full of documents, a clerk denied her request.

That morning, Cooper slipped a rent receipt, a copy of her lease, her voter registration card and her birth certificate into a Manila envelope. Typewritten on the birth certificate was her maiden name, Dorothy Alexander.

"But I didn't have my marriage certificate," Cooper said Tuesday afternoon, and that was the reason the clerk said she was denied a free voter ID at the Cherokee Boulevard Driver Service Center.

"It is department policy that in order to get a photo ID, a citizen must provide documentation that links their name to the documentation that links their name to the document they are using as primary proof of identity," Qualls said. "In this case, since Ms. Cooper's birth certificate (her primary proof of identity) and voter registration card were two different names, the examiner was unable to provide the free ID."

State Rep. Tommie Brown, D-Chattanooga, said Tuesday that Cooper's case is an example of how the law "erects barriers" for the elderly and poor people -- a disproportionate number of whom are minorities.

"What you do, you suppress the vote," Brown said. "You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out."

The General Assembly passed the photo ID law earlier this year, with lawmakers saying it was needed to prevent voter fraud. The legislature allocated $438,000 to provide free photo IDs for registered voters who don't have a qualified ID.

"It makes no sense in these economic times that we are shifting our time and resources to this," Brown said. http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-requir
ed-bureaucrat-tells/

http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/6147/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=5654


These aren't isolated incidents; it's happening all over the country.

Does this REALLY seem right to you?? It IS a poll tax. Those were deemed illegal years ago. This is just a new way to come at it.


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Monday, July 30, 2012 1:37 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Thing is, Niki, he DOES get that. He's said as much. He's also said that he just doesn't care, because it only hurts black people.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


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Monday, July 30, 2012 3:24 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh. I just started reading his posts again. That may have been a bad idea...


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