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Originally posted by Niki2:
I have nothing against companies having political views, or even espousing them, but when they are very rich and use some of that money to donate to candidates, I think the public has every right to boycott them in protest. JMHO.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I have nothing against companies having political views, or even espousing them, but when they are very rich and use some of that money to donate to candidates, I think the public has every right to boycott them in protest. JMHO.

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I agree.

How do you feel about mayors and city council members in various cities saying that they'll throw up legal barriers against Chick-fil-a stores trying to open in their jurisdictions because they disagree with the owner's views? I do have a problem with that.

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Originally posted by Niki2:
I have nothing against companies having political views, or even espousing them, but when they are very rich and use some of that money to donate to candidates, I think the public has every right to boycott them in protest. JMHO.

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I agree.

How do you feel about mayors and city council members in various cities saying that they'll throw up legal barriers against Chick-fil-a stores trying to open in their jurisdictions because they disagree with the owner's views? I do have a problem with that.

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Originally posted by Hero:
Great chicken sandwich, nuggets, and some nice sides.

I bought one and took it to our City Natatorium, which just denied family pricing for same-sex couples, and had a nice lunch.

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Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Metaphorically, hate may turn out to be a surprisingly popular condiment this summer.

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You can disagree on gay rights, but when you actively support laws that prescribe the death penalty for homosexuals, the idea that you aren't supporting oppression is pretty ludicrous.

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Chick-fil-A in Martinsburg re-opens after bomb threat

MARTINSBURG - Police and fire crews closed down the Chick-fil-A on Foxcroft Avenue in Martinsburg for nearly three hours following a bomb threat that was called in just before 1 p.m. today.

The caller mentioned that a "device" had been placed within the restaurant. The building was evacuated, but was deemed safe at about 3:45 p.m. after no bomb or any other type of device was discovered.

Martinsburg City Police and the Martinsburg Fire Department personnel investigated the scene, along with Berkeley County Sheriff Kenny Lemaster. A National Park Ranger with a canine unit arrived at the scene at approximately 2:45 p.m. to assist, and a second from the West Virginia State Police arrived later as well.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ehrmagherd!




BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!


Seems many Chick-fil-A locations were filled to capacity today. Looks like "capacity" is about three.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"The groin cup and throat protector have about as much ballistic protection as the kneepads I wear when I'm doing a job that requires me to be on my knees." - Troll

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A powerful New York politician claims she was just speaking as a private citizen when she tried to run Chick-fil-A out of town, but she used her official letterhead and even invoked her position as City Council speaker to apply pressure on the embattled chicken chain.

New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn, who has mayoral aspirations, sent a letter to New York University president John Sexton on Saturday asking the school to immediately end their contract with the fast food restaurant. The Atlanta-based company's sole New York City outlet is in the school's food court.


"I write as the Speaker of the NYC Council, and on behalf of my family. NYC is a place where we celebrate diversity. We do not believe in denigrating others. We revel in the diversity of all our citizens and their families,” the letter begins.


"Let me be clear I do not want establishments in my city that hold such discriminatory views," Quinn, an open lesbian who recently married her longtime partner, also wrote in the letter. "We are a city that believes our diversity is our greatest strength and we will fight anything and anyone that runs counter to that."


“As such I urge you to sever your relationship with the Chick&-fil-A establishment that exists on your campus,” the speaker added.


The letter has drawn the ire from others on the council.


“She can write to someone as a council member, but if she states that she is writing as the Speaker it can only be on behalf of the entire council. She has to have the majority vote of the council, and I don’t recall voting on this matter,” City Councilman Peter Vallone (D-Queens) told FoxNews.com. “A stance on gay marriage is in no way a forum to prevent someone form running a business in a community.


“If we allow something like this, then the next letter might be concerning someone’s view on abortion.”


A spokesperson for Quinn told FoxNews.com in a written statement that, while officials in other cities have said they would block Chick-fil-A through land-use means, Quinn was just expressing her own views.


“Christine Quinn was simply voicing her own opinion; she fully understands that Mr. Cathy has the right to say and donate to anything he wants. But she has the right to use her voice just as much as he does,” Quinn’s spokesperson added.


The speaker elaborated on her stance and seemingly backpedaled while speaking with reporters at an event in midtown Manhattan on Tuesday.


“I support businesses that are open and inclusive -- that reflect the viewpoint of New York City, the most in diverse city in the world. That said, businesses that follow our laws have a right to open here,” said Quinn during the announcement of the city starting a career center for veterans. “We are asking Mr. Cathy to reconsider, open up his mind and really overcome his homophobia and stop investing his money in efforts to limit the rights of LGBT Americans. I’m raising my voice -- which can be loud at times -- but I’m never going to misuse this office in any way at all.”


Whether the school will take Quinn's advice remains to be seen. In 2011, NYU’s Student Senators Council considered a resolution to remove Chick-fil-A from campus but ultimately ruled that, “to ban any entity from campus for ideological reasons is, in most every case, to limit freedom of expression,” and did not seek a resolution from the full University Senate.


But John Beckman, a spokesman for NYU, tells FoxNews.com in a written statement that given the recent news, the matter will be revisited by school officials.

“The University Administration will ask the University Senate to take up the issue of Chick-fil-A’s status on campus again when it reconvenes this fall to make a recommendation on how to proceed,” he said.


New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said last week that he would not follow the lead of his counterparts in Chicago, San Francisco and Boston, who all said Chick-fil-A was not welcome in their cities. Bloomberg said it was “inappropriate” for any government to decide if a business can or cannot operate in a city because of someone's political views.

Quinn also had posted a petition on Change.org last week that demands Cathy apologize for his remarks. Another petition on the website was created by an NYU student and gathered 15,000 signatures of students also demanding that the chicken chain be removed from the campus.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/01/nyc-council-speaker-christine-qui
nn-asks-nyu-to-evict-chick-fil/

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Regardless of how Mr. Cathy spends his money, he is not oppressing anyone. He can support organizations that lobby for causes he believes in.

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But by all means, concentrate on the activities of a chicken sandwich magnate. Let's ignore the flash crash on Wall Street. The economy that's still tanking 4 years on. The Ebola outbreak in Africa. Runaway unemployment. The current drought that's going to make for higher food costs. India's power grid failure that's a warning sign for the US power grid. Yeah, gay people having someone who doesn't like their lifestyle is way more important.

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Originally posted by ANTHONYT:


Silly goose. This isn't Sophie's Choice. We can talk about all of these topics. We don't have to pick just one.

--Anthony

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Hate is hate, and I'll not support it.
I don't give a fuck what their excuses are.

-Frem

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Except when there's no hate involved, at all.

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Coming from you, mister two-for-one, that means less than nothing.

I find their moral cowardice and hypocrisy about it even more offensive than their hatred.

If imma hate on someone, if imma be hostile, unreasonable, or vicious, I fuckin own it, rather than play petty little games of semantics, denial, and pretend that ain't what's happening.

But in the end, the abject cowardice of even admitting to the stand they take condemns them all the more.
Just as it does you.

-Frem

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
If a bunch of gay people want to have a flashmob makeout session at every Chick-fil-A, they're also free to do so.

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Except when there's no hate involved, at all

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Sad how brainwashed you are. Truly sad.

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bashing bible believeres (sic) is more in vogue than ever in our country.



The fact that it happens in response to the increasing power AND UTILIZATION OF THAT POWER by extremist "Christians", in the name of their religion, is of course irrelevant, right? The fact that religion is inserting itself into our GOVERNMENT and our lives is no reason for people to fight back, right?

Was there any bashing of religious types when they WEREN'T pushing their agenda and inserting themselves into our lives and government? No. There is eery reason to protest now, especially as so many of them have been shown not to live by what they preach. Some of the most vociferous and loud "family values" people in public office have been found to be closet gays or have affairs; bashing and ridiculing hypocrisy naturally follows.

Things don't happen in a vacuum.

Cute, Mike. I'm enjoying these.

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I don't think the religious extremists are any more involved in politics than they ever were. The only organization in the world that remains completely untaxed and is larger and more scary than Catholicism is the Federal Reserve.

No matter what your or my stand on any issues are, we'll never be able to say the same for ourselves.

As for gays themselves, I don't hate. Let them be legally recognized and get the tax breaks, insurance benefits and claims to inheritance that a married couple does. Just don't force any church to recognize it or perform the service.

I don't want to see two dudes kissing on the street and prancing around in pink speedos and playing slap ass, but I don't like being in public and seeing a guy and a girl grope each other either.



I really liked Kwick's Pecard pic too. I almost shot beer out of my nose after seeing it.

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"In the big picture, it will take more than a boycott of chicken to compel bible believers to change their stance on gay marriage. I fear it will take a few more generations of debate, discussion and, more importantly, gay marriage before we get there."





That's the crux of it, tho' I am still disturbed by the apparent discrimination in which they are engaging.

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There's nothing wrong with that, really, when you think about it Niki. No crux involved. People don't change overnight. Attitudes don't change overnight. I'm sure there are hundreds, perhaps tens of thousands of examples out there over the last 200 years of America where things we take for granted are acceptable were shunned by previous generations. We don't burn "witches" at the stake anymore, for instance, and although I've never seen the "remake" of footloose, I bet it was WAY different than John Lithgow trying to preach to all the kids that dancing was evil. I just assume that because what kid today would even be interested in the movie after 5 minutes if that was what it was about? Don't even get me started on Dirty Dancing. That movie would be laughably lame every step of the way if it were released as is today.



There was talk in Magon's thread about "Ideas". I agree with her about that. An idea needs to be nurtured and shown in a positive way by level headed people and eventually it will be found to be above reproach if enough people back it. Taking a jackhammer to an Idea though and drilling it daily into unwilling minds will only solidify the base of the "other side" and get them to "step up" and start all sorts of fear mongering.

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Regardless of how Mr. Cathy spends his money, he is not oppressing anyone. He can support organizations that lobby for causes he believes in.

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He can certainly spend his money this way. However, money spent this way can indeed result in oppression. When you support a law that will have a government oppressing people, you are indeed supporting oppression. It's simply a legal form of support for oppression.

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Starbucks Endorses Same-Sex Marriage In Washington State
It's still too soon to tell if Washington will become the seventh U.S. state to approve marriage equality, but having the support of the world's largest coffeehouse chain is certainly a good sign.

As numerous media outlets including Towleroad and Queerty are reporting, Starbucks has joined a growing list of major corporations to publicly endorse same-sex marriage legislation in the state. The Seattle Times has published a statement from Kalen Holmes, Executive Vice President of the Seattle-based coffee megabrand, which reads in part:

Starbucks is proud to join other leading Northwest employers in support of Washington State legislation recognizing marriage equality for same-sex couples ... This important legislation is aligned with Starbucks business practices and upholds our belief in the equal treatment of partners. It is core to who we are and what we value as a company.
We are deeply dedicated to embracing diversity and treating one another with respect and dignity, and remain committed to providing an inclusive, supportive and safe work environment for all of our partners.

We look forward to seeing this legislation enacted into law.

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