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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I made over 55k in 2009. I made roughly just over 22k a year for a year and a half on unemployment. Now, the best I can find so far (while seriously looking since March) is a job working overnight that pays just under 10k a year.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
The Dems will make sure everyone has a chance to pull themselves up, and even offer some help.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Don't mistake rightfully hating the fuck out of batshit crazy for supporting the other guy.

-F

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Why did you lose your job?

See, for all your ranting I bet you really don't know. You have shown that you have little idea what caused the economic down turn.

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:

Romney has the best resume of experience to get America back to work and energize this shitty economy that Obama will only make worse by growing his scandal-ridden Fed Govt. while killing private business along the way.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
POINT WORTH REPEATING....

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Why did you lose your job?

See, for all your ranting I bet you really don't know. You have shown that you have little idea what caused the economic down turn.

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If you figure that out, you'll understand.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Why did you lose your job?

See, for all your ranting I bet you really don't know. You have shown that you have little idea what caused the economic down turn. Government cutting back spending is not going to grow the economy. See the GOP will tell you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, but will blame government when people can't. The Dems will make sure everyone has a chance to pull themselves up, and even offer some help.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I just want a job that pays at least as much as my unemployment benefits did."

It depends on the area where you live. I come from the rust belt, from a city that USED to have 250,000 steel and related jobs in a county of 800,000 back in the 60's and which now has none. All of my generation in the family, understanding that work would be scare in a bad local economy, went elsewhere for work.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
And I'll be in true Republican fashion, he'll blame everybody but himself and his own failings.

Drinking to excess, rampant drug use, lack of impulse control or discipline... gosh, with those qualities, who WOULDN'T want to hire him?

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Why did you lose your job?

See, for all your ranting I bet you really don't know. You have shown that you have little idea what caused the economic down turn. Government cutting back spending is not going to grow the economy. See the GOP will tell you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, but will blame government when people can't. The Dems will make sure everyone has a chance to pull themselves up, and even offer some help.- MACNICK

I lost my job because another company who did the exact same thing as us 25 miles north had a newer facility. Before that, they spent the last 10 years outsourcing 50 percent of the jobs to India.

Actually, even though it was during the Obama Administration, the extended unemployment benefits I got were due to policies enacted by GWB.

I don't think I'd be too off the mark in stating that our completely unsustainable housing market ATM/Bubble fiasco didn't play a HUGE part in it, especially when gas started creeping up over 3 bucks before the bottom fell out.

We can theorize all we want about why things are bad now... but the truth is, they are bad....

Where's the jobs?

Maybe Romney/Ryan isn't the answer to that particular puzzle, but we all know for sure that Obama/Biden isn't by now.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Why did you lose your job?

See, for all your ranting I bet you really don't know. You have shown that you have little idea what caused the economic down turn. Government cutting back spending is not going to grow the economy. See the GOP will tell you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, but will blame government when people can't. The Dems will make sure everyone has a chance to pull themselves up, and even offer some help.- MACNICK

I lost my job because another company who did the exact same thing as us 25 miles north had a newer facility. Before that, they spent the last 10 years outsourcing 50 percent of the jobs to India.

Actually, even though it was during the Obama Administration, the extended unemployment benefits I got were due to policies enacted by GWB.

I don't think I'd be too off the mark in stating that our completely unsustainable housing market ATM/Bubble fiasco didn't play a HUGE part in it, especially when gas started creeping up over 3 bucks before the bottom fell out.

We can theorize all we want about why things are bad now... but the truth is, they are bad....

Where's the jobs?

Maybe Romney/Ryan isn't the answer to that particular puzzle, but we all know for sure that Obama/Biden isn't by now.

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6IX, I highlighted part of your comment, because you seem to dismiss theorizing as being irrelevant. The reality is that you will never understand what the problem is, and what the solution is, UNTIL you start theorizing.

Will it provide an immediate answer to your immediate problems?

NO.

Will it tell you how to behave in the larger political sphere?

YES.

So you lost your job due to outsourcing.

Well, welcome to naked capitalism. The role of the capitalist is to keep as much money for themselves as possible, which means going to cheaper labor or automation. Mentally punch the next guy who tells you that capitalists are "job creators" because they are NOT, they are "job destroyers". That is their sole reason for being: to employ as few people as possible as cheaply as possible and get as much work out of them as possible, leaving the unemployed, underemployed, and underpaid in their wake.

So, how does one CREATE jobs??? By doing the exact opposite of what a capitalist does: by not taking the biggest profit- or any profit at all- from employee's pockets. It's that simple. And that difficult. I'm sure objections immediately spring to mind about how it is not even possible... how do we compete in the world market? How do we invest in new technology? etc. As the biggest economy in the world which is... or could be... self-sufficient in almost everything, let me say that we don't NEED the world, and leave it at that.

So in the political sphere, if you force me to choose between Obama and Romney, I would have to choose Obama simply because he is "less Romney", less "Bain Capital", which is the paradigm of everything that is wrong with our economy and how we got into this massive clusterfuck to begin with. Fortunately, I don't HAVE to choose because my state is pretty solidly in one camp, so I get to pick someone else. In my case, I pick the Green Party. If YOUR state is solidly in one camp or the other, YOU get to choose third-party too.

As far as your personal situation is concerned, I don't know what your local economy looks like. Do you have a high concentration of elderly? Maybe you might want to go into respiratory therapy. Are there a lot of financial services flowing through? How about programming? Diesel service tech? Or maybe there is a niche just for you. People under stress tend to narrow their focus on their stressor... it's a normal and natural human response... but that means that some options are never even considered. You should like you have some spare time, and you sound intellectually restless, you DO sound a little introverted (are you?) so working with "things" might be a better fit for you than working with "people". Also, maybe Habitat 4 Humanity might help you finish up your house.... they do that, you know.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
6IX, where in any definition or practice of capitalism do you see loyalty to ANY nation? Where is it written into any business charter or corporate law that a business has to be "loyal" to its nation of origin? I can point to any nation at any historical point in which capitalism was (or is) the dominant economic force, and show you how money, trade, and jobs flow internationally... from the days of the British Empire through Nixon (yes, even then) to today.

The goal of the capitalist is to make more money. The capitalist is loyal only to money. Today's capitalists have picked everywhere else clean ... Africa, South America, Asia.... and have come home like vultures. NOW you feel the weight of capitalism. Unemployment is not your fault. It IS your fault, tho, if you keep supporting a system which causes it.

Also, I added some more immediate thoughts to the end of my previous post. I hope you look into it. Best of luck, then.

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You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it! Is that clear? You think you've merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case! The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance! You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels. It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU... WILL... ATONE!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
6IX, where in any definition or practice of capitalism do you see loyalty to ANY nation? Where is it written into any business charter or corporate law that a business has to be "loyal" to its nation of origin? I can point to any nation at any historical point in which capitalism was (or is) the dominant economic force, and show you how money, trade, and jobs flow internationally... from the days of the British Empire through Nixon (yes, even then) to today.

The goal of the capitalist is to make more money. The capitalist is loyal only to money. Today's capitalists have picked everywhere else clean ... Africa, South America, Asia.... and have come home like vultures. NOW you feel the weight of capitalism. Unemployment is not your fault. It IS your fault, tho, if you keep supporting a system which causes it.

Also, I added some more immediate thoughts to the end of my previous post. I hope you look into it. Best of luck, then.

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