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Winding Down...

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Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:22 PM

CHRISISALL


It's all unraveling. Greed is wiping us out as a world power. Another war on the horizon as soon as Romney is elected. More war profits for some, more debt for the rest of us. Loss of faith in our leaders... hatred of the scapegoats...
NASA lands a new rover on Mars, but do we care as a nation or world?
Not really. No one to kill there, no threat to us.
Taliban is yesterday. Iran is tomorrow.
Send in the drones.
Old white rich folk will be dead before the must witness the fruits of their deception- they're disconnected from their kids that will, anyway.
Pigs have no rights; I want my bacon.
The human masses have no rights; I want my bottom line.
God has left the building.
Take sides, everyone, for sides are all there is, and the majority of us will be on the losing one in any case, left, right or center.

How many children died today from hunger?
Eh, forget it- let's focus on people that make us angry!!

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Tuesday, August 7, 2012 4:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



I know Curiosity's landing was in the small hours (EST ) of the night, and there's the Olympics going on, as well as Syria ... but until and unless we find something organic fossilized - ANYTHING , ain't no one gonna care 1 bit.




" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, August 7, 2012 5:06 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I know Curiosity's landing was in the small hours (EST ) of the night, and there's the Olympics going on, as well as Syria ... but until and unless we find something organic fossilized - ANYTHING , ain't no one gonna care 1 bit.


Of course, because it's not sensational (to anyone but space geeks like you & me)- best we keep tight attention on enemies, both abroad and domestic. Enemies define us, stupid planets in our solar system do not.

Calgon, take me away!

Chrisisall, wearing a frilly Mal thing on his head, and ready to shoot unarmed, full-body armoured Operatives

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Tuesday, August 7, 2012 9:04 PM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse


And what exactly IS the point of landing ANYTHING on Mars. Any life you find there is gonna be amoebic at best. It is uninhabitable, it is red and it's THERE.What exactly is this little rover going to tell us, that is of any use to us at all.

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

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Tuesday, August 7, 2012 10:01 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Chin up, you're still up there as the wealthiest nation on earth and polling high in most other ways. Maybe being 'good enough' is a new experience, rather than 'greatest', but welcome to my world.

If you think things are tough in US, spare a thought for those people unlucky enough to be born in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Quote:

To the surprise of absolutely no one, Norway has been declared the world's happiest country. Just as unsurprising, the Democratic Republic of Congo came last.

The United Nations Human Development Index 2011 measures happiness in different countries based on factors such as income, education, health, life expectancy, economy, gender equality and sustainability.

"To be more accurate, one would say this measures the quality of life. It goes beyond income to include basic measures like education and health," says Surekha Subarwal, U.N. communications representative from New Delhi.

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Essentially the index implies that if you live longer, earn more money and have access to good schools and healthcare, you're probably going to be happier than people who don't.

“This is more than just the traditional index which just measure average income, health and education,” says Adam Rogers, the U.N.'s communications officer in Geneva. "This measurement of human wellbeing and happiness introduces the inequality dimension, a measure of access to health and education.”

Bhutan, the only country that gauges its progress by measuring its people's happiness rather than economic contributions, came a rather lowly 141.

Rogers clarifies, “This study is much more empirical than the Gross National Happiness (GNH) Index you will find in Bhutan, which is quite subjective.”

Just missing out on a top 10 spot was Switzerland in 11th place. The United States came fourth while the United Kingdom came 28th, below Hong Kong (13th), Korea (15th), France (20th), Singapore (26th) and the Czech Republic (27th).

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Top 10 happiest countries

1. Norway
Life expectancy at birth (years): 81.1
Income (GNI per capita): US$47,557
Population: 4.9 million

2. Australia
Life expectancy at birth (years): 81.9
Income (GNI per capita): US$34,431
Population: 22.7 million

3. The Netherlands
Life expectancy at birth (years): 80.7
Income (GNI per capita): US$36,402
Population: 16.6 million

4. United States
Life expectancy at birth (years): 78.5
Income (GNI per capita):US$ 43,017
Population: 313 million

5. New Zealand
Life expectancy at birth (years): 80.7
Income (GNI per capita): US$23,737
Population: 4.4 million

6. Canada
Life expectancy at birth (years): 81
Income (GNI per capita): US$35,166
Population: 34 million

7. Ireland
Life expectancy at birth (years): 80.6
Income (GNI per capita): US$29,322
Population: 4.5 million

8. Liechtenstein
Life expectancy at birth (years): 79.5
Income (GNI per capita): US$83,717
Population: 36,300

9. Germany
Life expectancy at birth (years): 80.4
Income (GNI per capita): US$34,854
Population: 82 million

10. Sweden
Life expectancy at birth (years): 81.4
Income (GNI per capita): US$35,837
Population: 9.4 million
Bottom 10

178. Guinea
Life expectancy at birth (years): 54.1
Income (GNI per capita): US$863
Population: 10.2 million

179. Central African Republic
Life expectancy at birth (years): 48.4
Income (GNI per capita): US$707
Population: 4.4 million

180. Sierra Leone
Life expectancy at birth (years): 47.8
Income (GNI per capita): US$737
Population: 6 million

181. Burkina Faso
Life expectancy at birth (years): 55.4
Income (GNI per capita): US$1,141
Population: 17 million

182. Liberia
Life expectancy at birth (years): 56.8
Income (GNI per capita): US$265
Population: 4.1 million

183. Chad
Life expectancy at birth (years): 49.6
Income (GNI per capita): US$1,105
Population: 11.5 million

184. Mozambique
Life expectancy at birth (years): 50.2
Income (GNI per capita): US$898
Population: 23 million

185. Burundi
Life expectancy at birth (years): 50.4
Income (GNI per capita): US$368
Population: 8.5 million

186. Niger
Life expectancy at birth (years): 54.7
Income (GNI per capita): US$641
Population:16 million

187. Democratic Republic of Congo
Life expectancy at birth (years): 48.4
Income (GNI per capita): US$280
Population: 67.7 million



http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/life/united-nations-announces-world%
E2%80%99s-happiest-country-247768

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 5:21 AM

FREMDFIRMA



Yanno Chris, for all my bitter cynicism, I am not a nihilst, well, not any more.
Quote:

There can't possibly be any meaning in this world. But isn't that wonderful in its own right? Because if there isn't any, we can find our own.
-Filicia Heidemann, So Ra No Wo To(Sound of the Sky)


Speaking of hope, here's something for you specifically, of interest.

Tuberculosis Vaccine Used In Controversial Type 1 Diabetes 'Cure'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/tuberculosis-vaccine-diabetes
-type-1-tb_n_1757798.html

Sometimes technology finds a way.

I mean, I had a childhood dream of owning an arcade once, only to have it blown up by the expense, logistics, bribes and hassles involved, and then it came full circle via the MAME32X Emulator and a butt-ton of original arcade ROM data.
Not to mention how far console machines have advanced.


Oh the infamous "You'll never walk again" discussion after the near fatal accident, or any NUMBER of "impossible" things, from surviving in the first place, to mechanization, beating an illness which SHOULD have been fatal, crushing WWASPS...

I do not believe in the 'impossible' - I believe in the power of the human will and spirit.
It's all in how WE apply it - what others do, matters not so much as what WE do.

-Frem

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 7:32 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by peacekeeper:
And what exactly IS the point of landing ANYTHING on Mars. Any life you find there is gonna be amoebic at best. It is uninhabitable, it is red and it's THERE.What exactly is this little rover going to tell us, that is of any use to us at all.

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.




That wherever life CAN exist in the universe, it WILL exist. At least, that's what I'm hoping we discover.


I might be an optimist, but it would be one of the stranger accusations I've ever heard... ;)



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 7:57 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I know Curiosity's landing was in the small hours (EST ) of the night, and there's the Olympics going on, as well as Syria ... but until and unless we find something organic fossilized - ANYTHING , ain't no one gonna care 1 bit.



And if that did happen, we'd have a huge contignet of right wingers calling any evidence of non terrestrial life a liberal attack on religion.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 9:22 AM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:


Speaking of hope, here's something for you specifically, of interest.


Thanks so much my friend...

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 10:57 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by peacekeeper:
And what exactly IS the point of landing ANYTHING on Mars. Any life you find there....



ANY life we find, ANYWHERE off this rock of ours, no matter the details, is monumental.


Quote:

is gonna be amoebic at best. It is uninhabitable, it is red and it's THERE. What exactly is this little rover going to tell us, that is of any use to us at all.

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.



We may need to go THERE, someday. That's why.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 11:00 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by STORYMARK:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I know Curiosity's landing was in the small hours (EST ) of the night, and there's the Olympics going on, as well as Syria ... but until and unless we find something organic fossilized - ANYTHING , ain't no one gonna care 1 bit.



And if that did happen, we'd have a huge contignet of right wingers calling any evidence of non terrestrial life a liberal attack on religion.



Exactly like in the movie CONTACT. I have no doubt that life would indeed imitate art, were anything like that to be found on Mars.


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 11:04 AM

WHOZIT


Quote:

Originally posted by chrisisall:
It's all unraveling. Greed is wiping us out as a world power. Another war on the horizon as soon as Romney is elected. More war profits for some, more debt for the rest of us. Loss of faith in our leaders... hatred of the scapegoats...
NASA lands a new rover on Mars, but do we care as a nation or world?
Not really. No one to kill there, no threat to us.
Taliban is yesterday. Iran is tomorrow.
Send in the drones.
Old white rich folk will be dead before the must witness the fruits of their deception- they're disconnected from their kids that will, anyway.
Pigs have no rights; I want my bacon.
The human masses have no rights; I want my bottom line.
God has left the building.
Take sides, everyone, for sides are all there is, and the majority of us will be on the losing one in any case, left, right or center.

How many children died today from hunger?
Eh, forget it- let's focus on people that make us angry!!



PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE!!

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 1:22 PM

HKCAVALIER


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

ANY life we find, ANYWHERE off this rock of ours, no matter the details, is monumental.


This.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 4:22 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by whozit:
PUT DOWN THE CRACK PIPE!!

Heh, if only. No crack, just older & realizing how worthless this life & world is.
I feel sorry for my offspring- he'll feel the sorrow & pain of this bullshit planet all too soon.
He'll fall in love, and marry, and be despised by his lady, as always happens- because no one can ever be happy with *ENOUGH*; nothing is ever ENOUGH, for rich fucks or poor.
We are animals, pure & simple. Alpha males make money & fuck desirable women behind their Wive's backs, and the Wives will in turn move on to better dudes when possible.
Only to bitch at them for being bad providers.
It's all about money. This crazy 'concept' of love is a joke. We fuck to procreate, then move along. Or grow old hating our partner.
We kill animals to eat & for fun, we are animals in daily life, the idea of 'God' is laughable...

I really need to become a Shaolin monk.... or develop a cheap heroine habit.

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 6:26 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


:(

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Thursday, August 9, 2012 8:05 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"nothing is ever ENOUGH"

I had a wonderful dream about the earth where people understood the destructiveness of greed and the freedom you get when everyone takes just enough, but no more. It was clean, it was abundant, it was peaceful, and everyone was free.

Now maybe it's not a common idea, but if one person can think it, then it's within human scope.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Friday, August 10, 2012 1:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by STORYMARK:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

I know Curiosity's landing was in the small hours (EST ) of the night, and there's the Olympics going on, as well as Syria ... but until and unless we find something organic fossilized - ANYTHING , ain't no one gonna care 1 bit.



And if that did happen, we'd have a huge contignet of right wingers calling any evidence of non terrestrial life a liberal attack on religion.



I see absolutely no reason why religion and life on other planets are mutually exclusive. Nor do I see religion and evolution, for that matter. In fact, I think that the three concepts together help prove each other.

I know that my opinion is in the vast minority though.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." ~Shepherd Book

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Tuesday, August 14, 2012 6:24 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


I know that if Byte were here she would be excited about us landing on Mars with our rover, so I'm going to channel some of her enthusiasm.

Shaolin monks are so cool!

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:10 PM

CHRISISALL


Quote:

Originally posted by RionaEire:
I know that if Byte were here

Oh, please, she's still alive....???!!!

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Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:56 PM

OONJERAH



Riona,
We haven't heard from Byte in about a month.
How is she?


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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Haven't heard from Tony either, right?

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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:09 AM

CHRISISALL


We miss her something fierce.

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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:00 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, I've noticed Byte's absence, and yours as well, but was afraid to ask. I hope she's okay, and feeling better these days. You shouldn't have to tell her, but just in case, please let her know we miss her, hers is a vital voice, and we hope she comes back soon.

As to Anthony, eh, I'm guessing he's off LIVING his life, rather than hanging out here.


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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:55 AM

REDREAD

The poster formerly known as yinyang.


Bytemite's been over in General Discussions talking about River. Seems like she's doing just fine:

www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=2&tid=52730

Don't know why she hasn't wandered into RWED. Also don't know why most people in RWED don't wander over into other parts of the site. Sometimes it seems like people in RWED don't realize there even are other parts of the site.

As for Anthony, the last time he posted was the 6th, here:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=52605&mid=9
06771#906771


Seems like he was really put off by the way the discussion turned. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just taking a break from here for a while.


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Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:02 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanx, that's good to hear. I think we know why she hasn't been over here; the last thread whe posted in was pretty weird and she might be embarrassed...but then what do I know. Good to hear she's okay; that's all that matters.

Speaking just for myself, I almost never go to other forums, mostly because everything I've ever read about Firefly has pretty much covered the same ground, and it's not coming back. I'm not into discussions of comics and fanfic on what followed after Serenity, just not what interest me. Plus the fact that I spend so much time HERE that if I went to other forums, too, I'd never get off the computer! I'm into politics and other real world events, so this is where my interests lie. I've thought of going to other forums occasionally, and have gone to Talk Story a couple of times, but immediately recognized that if I went elsewhere, I'd get involved THERE, too, so it'd be even harder to tear myself away from the site!

Thanx for the info on Anthony. I miss him, but what you said makes perfect sense; he's probably pissed at us. He has his resons and I respect them; personally I wish he hadn't even started that thread. Discussions on guns never go anywhere and usually stir up bad feelings. I hope he comes back before long, I really respect Anthony and don't want some contentious discussion of guns to lose him for us.

Thanx for both updates, they mean a lot to me.


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Thursday, August 16, 2012 1:20 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Byte doesn't want to talk on RWED anymore, yes she's still alive.

I went away to watch the Olympics.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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