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Disgruntled employee THIS TIME.

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Yup, feels like mass murder weather out there!


Hey, since we're not allowed to ever talk about guns or ANY kind of gun control, might as well talk about the weather...

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Their reason(s) don't changes the fact that mass murders are taking place around the country on a fairly regular basis these days, which is my point.

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Their reason(s) don't changes the fact that mass murders are taking place around the country on a fairly regular basis these days, which is my point.

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Although, in this case, it now appears that the shooter only shot his former co-worker and then walked away. The other casualties occurred when he was confronted by police on a crowded street and a gunfight ensued. It appears some of the wounded may have been hit by fire from the police.

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Their reason(s) don't changes the fact that mass murders are taking place around the country on a fairly regular basis these days, which is my point.

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Although, in this case, it now appears that the shooter only shot his former co-worker and then walked away. The other casualties occurred when he was confronted by police on a crowded street and a gunfight ensued. It appears some of the wounded may have been hit by fire from the police.

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But, I thought the cure to these shootings was arming more people?


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

It is, now go away cause you're stupid

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Lemme throw another thought on this pile here.

The decision of the cops in question to immediately start blazing away calls into question their training, mentality, and operational attitude, because no one, NO ONE, but me seems to have considered this.-Frem

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Lemme throw another thought on this pile here.

The decision of the cops in question to immediately start blazing away calls into question their training, mentality, and operational attitude, because no one, NO ONE, but me seems to have considered this.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
I dunno about that, Mal4 - one thing I *can* tell you, which'll ease your mind a bit...

I know a lotta CCW instructors, obviously, and not ONE of them would pass a nutter like the Wulfenwhiner, ain't just a matter of legal ass-covering neither, so much as the fact that they do not want armed crazies wandering around any more than the rest of us, doubly so cause it makes THEM look bad, yanno ?

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Sorry, I don't know what CCW is.

Anyhow, I'm not talking about any kind of certified defenders. I'm talking about what the NRA thinks will solve all crime - every citizen holding a gun and ready to fire at the slightest provocation.

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Gorrammit, Frem,

Why is it that you turn out to be the sensible, logical, middle of the road voice on practically every question of street violence, police use of force and similar topics?

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

CCW is the very basic Carry-Concealed-Weapon cert required to carry a concealed weapon, obviously.
And I firmly think that it would be a damn good idea to hold that level of training as a minimal standard for anyone who wishes to purchase one - alas that it's been proven (See Also: Jim March, Shall-Issue versus May-Issue) that the Government cannot be directly trusted with that decision, but I would firmly support offering indemnity from lawsuit to manufacturers and distributors in exchange for requiring such training as condition of a firearm purchase.

The cool thing is that it costs us nothing, the infrastructure is already there, instructors are inexpensive and ubiquitous, and the training itself is fairly standardized with allowances for the specific state the permit will be issued in.
It's a very sensible solution without adding more Government interference or stepping on anyones rights - although I have issues with revoking peoples right to bear arms for supposed "crimes" which prolly shouldn't be, but we can save that element of topic for later.

I do think the training is very important, for a fact I'd rather someone with the training but no weapon, than a weapon without the training - cause they'd be fully aware of problems like you mention and would very more likely act accordingly, although I think you have some misperception of the NRA and their stance on the matter, although for the record I dislike them as well simply because I feel they have failed to defend rights and become more self-serving than useful.

In regard to blinding/jacklighting a potentive shooter, this is actually a very standard tactic as well, in part WHY police cruisers have those powerful spotlights, or used to, as I notice many of the modern ones do not - being suddenly illuminated/blinded causes a reflex lockup in both humans and animals, so it's well worth a shot to forestall or mitigate a potentially violent situation.
In fact it's my go-to tactic to load the dice so far in my favor that it becomes more viable to negotiate, in the rare few situations where one of our local yahoos starts to think violence might work, flash blind them and move laterally to cover - I actually do not carry a firearm on duty cause there ain't no damn need for one, there's no place here you could fire without incidentally endangering someone and most of the local creeps don't carry either cause they do not wish to risk a felony beef if they get caught out casing/creeping.



-Frem

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