REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

Is Romney ineligible to be president according to his own reasoning?

POSTED BY: NIKI2
UPDATED: Saturday, September 22, 2012 14:51
SHORT URL:
VIEWED: 1303
PAGE 1 of 1

Friday, September 21, 2012 12:43 PM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

During the Republican debates Romney stated that he would not be eligible to be president if he paid more than he had to. Today he released his tax returns for 2011 and he paid an extra 1.4 million so that he paid a 14.1% rate instead of the 9% he could have paid.
One could say it's akin to Obama saying he wouldn't deserve to be President if he didn't get unemployment down to--whatever it was. EXCEPT that Obama didn't say that at all and made no such promise. But Romney DID make the above statement:
Quote:

It’s Friday, the day when people in the news release information they want to bury as much as possible, and that means Mitt Romney has finally released one year of tax returns.

First, Mitt and Ann Romney donated a whole heck of a lot of money to charity in 2011 — $4,020,772, to be exact, or about 30 percent of their total income. But they chose only to claim $2.25 million of that total as charitable deductions, because, well, otherwise, their overall tax burden would been a little, shall we say, light.

From the campaign:
Quote:

The Romneys’ generous charitable donations in 2011 would have significantly reduced their tax obligation for the year. The Romneys thus limited their deduction of charitable contributions to conform to the Governor’s statement in August, based upon the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13% in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.

Without claiming the total legally possible deduction, Romney ended up paying an effective tax rate of 14.1 percent. If he’d claimed everything he had a right to, he would only have paid around 9 percent.

There’s something both hilarious and pathetic about a presidential candidate manipulating his deductions so he ends up paying what he considers a more politically appropriate tax rate. But it’s especially ludicrous n light of Romney’s numerous claims that he’s always paid the government exactly what he owes, “and not a dollar more,” implying that anyone who voluntarily gave the government more than he legally owed was either a fool or a moron.

Romney is even on record declaring that the act of paying more than he owed would mean he shouldn’t be eligible for the presidency! http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/40952_Friday_News_Dump-_Romney
s_2011_Tax_Return
in HEAVEN'S name is wrong with this man? Did he really think people wouldn't NOTICE?! Did he think people would have no problem with him giving away money so that he can get the tax rate he wanted?? It's just getting weirder and weirder...

Oh, if anyone doubts Romney made the remark about being ineligible, you can find the transcript at http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-david-muir-interview-mitt-ro
mney/story?id=16881787&page=2#.UFy5U7JlT90
Quote:

Romney: I haven't calculated that. I'm happy to go back and look but my view is I've paid all the taxes required by law. From time to time I've been audited as happens I think to other citizens as well and the accounting firm which prepares my taxes has done a very thorough and complete job pay taxes as legally due. I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president.

Yeah, it goes nowhere of course, but it's amusing that the right has and will bandy about the one Obama DIDN'T say, but will no doubt defend or deflect the one Romney DID actually say.

The bigger question, tho', is do we really want someone for President who PAYS MORE in taxes so that he gets a rate which is more politically expedient?? "I can't have illegals working for me, I'm running for President, for heaven's sake..."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, September 21, 2012 12:45 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Yes, Niki. Election called. Obama crowned king for life.

Is that your angle now ? Mitt no longer is a 'felon', for not paying taxes for the past 10 years ( where the hell are you, Harry Reid ? ), but because he paid MORE in taxes than he could have, THIS makes him ineligible ?

wow. Just... wow.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, September 21, 2012 12:51 PM

STORYMARK


Gotta love Rappyland. Niki asks is Romney should be held to the standard set by his own words - the raptard saws she wants a king for life.

Of course, with whozit gone, rappy steps up as village idiot.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, September 21, 2012 1:02 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Gotta love Rappyland. Niki asks is Romney should be held to the standard set by his own words - the raptard saws she wants a king for life.




I " saws " ? Huh ?

Who is this 'she', you speak of ?

Friday drinking commenced early, has it ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NOTIFY: N   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, September 21, 2012 1:06 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Romney himself said that if he paid more than was legally required, he would not be qualified to be President.

Romney told ABC News in July: "If I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president."

Whassa matta, Rappy? You don't like it when someone holds your dear and fluffy lord to his own statements?






"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Friday, September 21, 2012 1:08 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Gotta love Rappyland. Niki asks is Romney should be held to the standard set by his own words - the raptard saws she wants a king for life.




I " saws " ? Huh ?

Who is this 'she', you speak of ?




"She" - Niki. You may have heard of her. I believe you responded to her.

Or were you suggesting that YOU want a king for life?


And do you really want to start pointing out the typos and grammatical errors of others?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:07 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)



Romney Lawyer Admits They Manipulated Taxes to Conform to 13% Claim

Quote:

Mitt Romney’s lawyer admitted to the Democratic accusation that the Romneys could have paid a lot less in taxes in 2011, but they manipulated the returns so as to conform to an August Romney claim that he always paid at least 13%.

The AP reported:

But, Brad Malt acknowledged, the couple “limited their deductions of charitable contributions to conform to the governor’s statement in August, based on the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13 percent in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.”
If you were wondering why Romney dumped his tax returns on Friday a week before they were due, we’re told it’s because he didn’t want the issue to muddy the debate waters. However, he has done nothing but hand Democrats a justification for their tax the rich a bit more policies. Mitt Romney’s taxes are becoming the poster child example of all that is wrong with our current tax codes.

One reason Romney pays so little is that most of his income comes from capital gains, rather than “income” and is thus taxed at a much lower rate. He also takes advantage of tax shelters and loopholes that have been the target of the Obama administration. The fact that Romney pays so little seems at odds with his disdain for the “47 percent” of Americans he claims don’t pay any taxes, and further at odds with his expression that he feels more Americans would like to pay taxes. After all, Mitt Romney clearly doesn’t like paying taxes.

Tax experts point out that Romney’s returns are missing a few details:

What’s missing, tax experts say, are the details of Romney’s retirement account from Bain Capital, including investments in offshore accounts in Bermuda and the Cayman Islands.
Another factor thrown into the mix is the fact that Romney’s 20 year average of his taxes is a “simple one (i.e., the average of the percentage in each year) rather than a weighted one (i.e., where you add up all the tax paid across the 20 years and divide it by all the income).”

It’s a potentially important difference because the simple average treats each year equally — whether Romney earned, say, $5 million in that year or $30 million. It is especially important if Romney paid a low tax rate in a year in which he earned a lot but paid a high tax rate in years when he earned less. The weighted average would give a more accurate picture.


Romney told us that paying more than he owed would disqualify him from the presidency, but he has now paid more than he owed in order to make his earlier statement about never paying below 13% appear to be true. Not to worry, though, Mitt Romney can merely amend his return after the election in order to get that money back from the government, like any 47%-er would want to do.

Harry Reid points out in a statement from his office, “That raises the question: what else in those returns has Romney manipulated?”

As our former President warned us, “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

Thanks, W. We’ll try to keep that in mind.



http://www.politicususa.com/romney-lawyer-admits-manipuated-taxes-conf
orm-13-claim.html




"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

Saturday, September 22, 2012 2:51 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Gotta love Rappyland. Niki asks is Romney should be held to the standard set by his own words - the raptard saws she wants a king for life.




I " saws " ? Huh ?

Who is this 'she', you speak of ?

Friday drinking commenced early, has it ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



Tried and true, the dipshit latches onto a type-o rather than fess up to his straw-man.
And he compounds it by being confused by a big, scary pronoun.

Poor little simplton. Being a teapublican kills brain cells, kids!


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

NOTIFY: Y   |  REPLY  |  REPLY WITH QUOTE  |  TOP  |  HOME  

YOUR OPTIONS

NEW POSTS TODAY

USERPOST DATE

OTHER TOPICS

DISCUSSIONS
A.I Artificial Intelligence AI
Sat, December 21, 2024 19:06 - 256 posts
Hollywood exposes themselves as the phony whores they are
Sat, December 21, 2024 18:55 - 69 posts
Elections; 2024
Sat, December 21, 2024 18:29 - 4989 posts
Music II
Sat, December 21, 2024 18:22 - 135 posts
WMD proliferation the spread of chemical and bio weapons, as of the collapse of Syria
Sat, December 21, 2024 18:15 - 3 posts
A thread for Democrats Only
Sat, December 21, 2024 18:11 - 6965 posts
In the garden, and RAIN!!! (2)
Sat, December 21, 2024 17:58 - 4901 posts
TERRORISM EXPANDS TO GERMANY ... and the USA, Hungary, and Sweden
Sat, December 21, 2024 15:20 - 36 posts
Ellen Page is a Dude Now
Sat, December 21, 2024 15:00 - 242 posts
human actions, global climate change, global human solutions
Sat, December 21, 2024 14:48 - 978 posts
Who hates Israel?
Sat, December 21, 2024 13:45 - 81 posts
French elections, and France in general
Sat, December 21, 2024 13:43 - 187 posts

FFF.NET SOCIAL