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Originally posted by AURaptor:
To this day, the FBI has not been to the compound to investigate the assassination of Ambassador Stevens, Smith, Doherty, and Woods. We have been told that it's too dangerous for them to go there. The FBI has yet to set foot in Benghazi.

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The FBI has yet to set foot in Benghazi. We have been told that it is too dangerous for them to go there. But we know that's a bold-face lie. In just 3 days after the attack, CNN reporters had no problem sorting thru the rubble that is now the US consulate.

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Huh. According to your post, it's not dangerous for U.S. government officials to be there. Was that how you meant that to sound?

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I guess there really is no lengths that you'll not go to in order to defend this admin's utter and complete incompetency. Even after the murder of a US ambassador, and 3 Americans, on 9/11, after there were specific threats to the safety and well being of said ambassador.

I fail to see the point of even trying to have a conversation w/ you.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:


Soooo... After several more posts and responses here from Rappy, still no cites, no links, no evidence for his claims.

I'll ask again:

Please show me the President claiming that this was JUST about a video, and nothing else, and that everyone else loves us, all over the middle east.


Also, some evidence from Libyan officials stating that they KNEW from the start that this wasn't spontaneous.


I'll wait.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Originally posted by Storymark:

Yeah, because a sovereign nation did not grant them access to come into the country. You bitched about overstepping when we flew planes over the country, of course now, you'll bitch that we didn't mount a full on invasion.

Remind us again, why the fuck anyone should give a fuck what you have to say?

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Which is it ? Cites, please ?

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And it's pretty common knowledge that Obama not only has been pushing the " it's a video " crap. since day 1, but also that Libyan officials knew this wasn't some spontaneous riot, but a coordinated , pre-planned attack.

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Originally posted by Storymark:

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Originally posted by Kwicko:


Soooo... After several more posts and responses here from Rappy, still no cites, no links, no evidence for his claims.

I'll ask again:

Please show me the President claiming that this was JUST about a video, and nothing else, and that everyone else loves us, all over the middle east.


Also, some evidence from Libyan officials stating that they KNEW from the start that this wasn't spontaneous.


I'll wait.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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And still, nada.


"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Which is it ? Cites, please ?

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And it's pretty common knowledge that Obama not only has been pushing the " it's a video " crap. since day 1, but also that Libyan officials knew this wasn't some spontaneous riot, but a coordinated , pre-planned attack.

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"They had difficulty, and we understand there was some bureaucratic infighting between the FBI and Justice Department on the one hand, and the State Department on the other, and so it took them longer than they would have liked to get into country. They've now gotten there. But they still are unable to get permission to go to Benghazi."

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In their initial accounts, Rice and other senior administration officials insisted there was no indication the attack was “pre-planned.” It grew, they said, from a spontaneous protest outside the consulate that was inspired by the violent demonstration outside the U.S. Embassy in Cairo against a video denigrating the Prophet Mohammed, the founder of Islam. The video, which has triggered a rash of violent anti-American protests across the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia, was made in the United States.

The accounts, however, were quickly challenged. President Mohammad Magarief, the head of the Libyan National Congress, the recently elected interim government, said that the assault was organized and planned by foreigners, some with links to al Qaida, involved members of a local Islamist militant group, and was deliberately timed for the anniversary of 9/11.


http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/28/3838769/intelligence-office-says-
it-got.html#storylink=cpy

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kwickie - been living under a rock the past 2 weeks ? Jay Carney, Obama, Hillary, and others, have parroted the " it's all about a video " line.

I'm not playing your game, where you feign stupid , and ask for references on each and every god damn comment under the sun.

This admin is lying, has been caught, and even 'some' in the MSM are starting to show signs of having had enough of this b.s.

Why you're still defending this group, is beyond belief.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Storybook,

Not only will I not shut the fuck up, but I HAVE given cites already.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:

Guess that's just one more of those things we're supposed to take your word on, huh? Because you say so, and because you claim "it's common knowledge"?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
You can't defend this lying sack of shit President, or his administration.

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I've no need to defend him, because you've yet to show a lie or anything that he'd NEED defending for. I've asked directly, I've asked politely, and all you've done is attack me for it. You've provided no evidence of the things YOU claim he said, and when asked, you simply lash out in mindless anger.

You have nothing. You're through.

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Instead, you have to resort to mindless, petty ad hominems, because you know I'm right and it just pisses you off to no end.

Good.

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Do I seem pissed off? I'm *laughing at you*. How do you not get that? You are the butt of the joke. Again. Why do you think we call you Wilbur?








"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Originally posted by Storymark:
More actual facts (which means they do not exist in rappyland, where only RapFacts[tm] are permitted):

Obama called it an act of terror the day after it happened.

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation,"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/09/obama-talked-of-
libya-attack-as-terror-weeks-ago-136812.html

More:
September 12 -- White House spokesman Jay Carney, in response to questions about whether the attack was planned:

"It's too early for us to make that judgment. I think -- I know that this is being investigated, and we're working with the Libyan government to investigate the incident. So I would not want to speculate on that at this time."


September 13. -- A senior U.S. official tells CNN that the Benghazi violence was a "clearly planned attack:

"It was not an innocent mob," the official said. "The video or 9/11 made a handy excuse and could be fortuitous from their perspective, but this was a clearly planned military-type attack."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/01/politics/libya-attack-statements/


Yes.... clearly the Admin was blaming this all on the video.

Of course, that's clearly bullshit - but when has that ever stopped a right wing zealot from lapping up a talking point as if it were gospel from on high...



"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Are you suggesting that the government should have recruited, employed, and paid for a bunch of extra security in the days, weeks, months, and years before a vague nonspecific threat was carried out?

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Gotta love it - I post quotes that cleanly disprove Rappy's claims, he still cannot provide any proof of what he claims... and this all proves him right.

Priceless.

Guess it's time for Rappy to start some new thread with another crazy conspiracy theory - oh, wiat, he already has.

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Originally posted by Storymark:


Guess it's time for Rappy to start some new thread with another crazy conspiracy theory - oh, wiat, he already has.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Gotta love it - I post quotes that cleanly disprove Rappy's claims, he still cannot provide any proof of what he claims... and this all proves him right.

Priceless.

Guess it's time for Rappy to start some new thread with another crazy conspiracy theory - oh, wiat, he already has.

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A series of internal State Department emails obtained by Fox News shows that officials reported within hours of last month's deadly consulate attack in Libya that Al Qaeda-tied group Ansar al-Sharia had claimed responsibility.
The emails provide some of the most detailed information yet about what officials knew in the initial hours after the attack. And it again raises questions about why U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice, apparently based on intelligence assessments, would claim five days after the attack that it was a "spontaneous" reaction to protests over an anti-Islam film.

Ansar al-Sharia has been declared by the State Department to be an Al Qaeda-affiliated group. A member of the group suspected of participating in the Sept. 11 attack in Benghazi has been arrested and is being held in Tunisia.

The emails obtained by Fox News were sent by the State Department to a variety of national security platforms, whose addresses have been redacted, including the White House Situation Room, the Pentagon, the FBI and the Director of National Intelligence.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/23/state-dept-emails-from-day-
libya-attack-show-al-qaeda-tied-group-on-radar/#ixzz2AFWHzRPb

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Storybook - you're refusal to acknowledge reality is pretty damn severe. How you make it in the real world... is perplexing.

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Storybook - you're refusal to acknowledge reality is pretty damn severe. How you make it in the real world... is perplexing.

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Which reality?

Sure there were e-mails claiming responcibilty. Does that prove anything? I can e-mail anyone and claim anything I want.

Plus in other disscussion you and I are having about this you cited and article that says there were protests. Even you are confused...well even more so than usual.

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The WH knew, Nickerson. Seriously, your, and the Left's stubborn, willful, continued feigned ignorance on this matter is tiresome.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/10/24/internal-emails
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Internal e-mails have confirmed that the WH knew, as early as late afternoon, that the consulate was under attack, there were no protests, and that Amb Stevens was missing.

Forget about the 3AM call. Obama knew , by early evening, that we had a missing ambassador, and simply went to bed. Seems Barry had a plane to catch for Vegas the next day.


And yes, there may have been confusion in the reporting of incident, as follow up protests took place, and govt officials ( from both Libya and the US ) were relying on NEWS reports of what was going on. News reports which, in part, were based on a false narrative of some damn video, which we STILL don't know where that story first came from... but from damn near the very start, the intel was clear. There were no protests which grew and got out of control, there was no mass rally to convey anger over a YouTube video, yet THIS White House repeated that lie, over and over again, for DAYS, when it knew, with in the first few hours, what in fact was going on.

It completely fabricated this story of the YouTube video, out of thin air, because it needed a cover to explain away what happened. Obama said HE killed bin Laden, and that al Qaeda was on the run. We'd freed the Libyans of Qaddafi's terror, and all was right in the middle east.

So why did they kill our ambassador ? And 3 other Americans ? Why were 30 or so Americans lives put in danger ? Why didn't we DO something to help ? Where was the military ? Why did we just sit on our hands, and let this happen ?

Answers are demanded.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

This had zero to do w/ Cairo. Virtually no one knew about this video, which had been released back in June. It was the anniversary of 9/11 , as if that was any damn reason for rowdy Muslims to take to the streets and burn US flags.

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Benghazi is another issue, entirely.

The e-mails ( those released, which aren't ALL that exist ) don't mention a lot of things... your point ?

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There were no protests prior to the attacks. THAT has been established. Why you keep harping on this imaginary issue, is really bizarre.

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What military ( assets ) ? Oh, I don't know... maybe from Italy ? We have something in the vicinity, I'm pretty sure. As Commander OF Chief, Barry should have known...but instead, he want to bed.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

This had zero to do w/ Cairo. Virtually no one knew about this video, which had been released back in June. It was the anniversary of 9/11 , as if that was any damn reason for rowdy Muslims to take to the streets and burn US flags.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:


You seem more confused than you claim the administration is. Are you lying? If the State Department issued the exact same words you used here, would you say THEY were lying?

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

Sure they could have gotten there almost instantly, we all know the mediterranean is very small...oh wait it is not, and you're an idiot.

Go back and look at the e-mails as see how much time passed between the first and the second.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The military, has these planes, with jet engines. They fly really really fast....

And you're an idiot.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
The attack in Benghazi lasted how long? 20 minutes, at most ?

Cite ?


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444620104578008922056244
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Okay, you want to go with two hours? The timeline states the first shot is fired at 9:30pm and the Americans inside, minus the Ambassador, got out around 10:30pm.

So name me the US military air craft that could have made it from a base in Italy to Bengahzi in that time, and did anything to help.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
...and now a Fundie!
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53359

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

The fighting didn't end at the second that Amb Stevens was killed. It went on for several hours later.

I don't know for certain that Sicily is the closest location of assets in the region. I was just answering your question. Maybe we had assets closer, that aren't privy to public knowledge. Who'd know that ? The President.

Where the hell was he ?

In bed.

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

I did not say the fighting was over when Stevens died. In fact he died at a hospital, or smoke inhalation later on.

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Yes, I was wrong about the time I said before. Yes there was contiuned fighting at a safe house about a mile away, but the fighting at the consulate was pretty much over in a few a hours. Looters had already moved in. They found Stevens.

You keep saying Obama was in bed, got any proof.

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No, YOU said the fighting lasted maybe 20 minutes. Ya got that one about as wrong as possible.

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Died at the hospital ? Or was it smoke inhalation , later on ? Which is it ?? SEE ? Even YOU don't know what the frell you're talking about.

He DIED , somehow , we're not entirely sure. It was SAID he died of smoke, but as we've seen, info is suspect. And he was PRONOUNCED dead, at the hospital, that's not the same thing as DYING there.

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Any proof he wasn't ?

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Sure they could have gotten there almost instantly, we all know the mediterranean is very small...oh wait it is not, and you're an idiot.

Go back and look at the e-mails as see how much time passed between the first and the second.

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The military, has these planes, with jet engines. They fly really really fast....

And you're an idiot.

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