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Badgers: Splitting public opinion for more than 200 years

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:19 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Okay, I couldn't resist this one, because of a memory that always makes me smile. The subject itself, to me of course, is no smiling matter:
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The government has given the go ahead for badgers to be culled in England this autumn, as part of measures to protect cattle from tuberculosis.



As many as 100,000 badgers could be shot by trained marksmen if the proposals in two pilot zones in the South West are extended across the country.

Scientific evidence has shown that bovine TB can be transmitted from cattle to cattle; from badgers to cattle and cattle to badgers; and from badger to badger. Badgers are thought to pass on the disease to cattle through their urine, faeces or through droplet infection, in the farmyard or in cattle pastures. However, it is not clear how big a role badgers play in the spread of bovine TB since the cows can also pass the disease on to other members of the herd.

There is a vaccine for badgers - the BCG jab, which has been used by a number of wildlife and conservation bodies in England, including the Gloucestershire Wildlife Trust, the RSPB, the Wildfowl and Wetlands Trust and the National Trust.

Badger vaccination is also underway in Wales, and there are plans to introduce it in Northern Ireland.

According to the Food, Environment and Research Agency (Fera): "Vaccinating badgers is a risk reduction measure. It reduces the risk of badgers catching TB, resulting in fewer infected badgers. This in turn may reduce the risk of transmission from badgers to cattle."

Cattle can also be vaccinated with the BCG vaccine. However, vaccination of cattle against TB is currently prohibited by EU legislation, mainly because BCG vaccination of cattle can interfere with the tuberculin skin test, the main diagnostic test for TB. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19637936]
Apparently it's quite a controversy over in "your neck of the woods":
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A researcher who studied their role in popular culture has warned that politicians have not grasped the true nature of the cull controversy.

Dr Angela Cassidy from Imperial College London researched discourse on badgers from the end of the 18th Century.

She told BBC News that they have consistently divided opinion, with farmers wanting rid of them and animal lovers seeking to protect them.

Dr Cassidy said that bombarding people with science about TB in the animals would fail, as the debate was really about emotions and values.

"The sides have a very different understanding of what the countryside is for and how we should treat animals," she said.

"That's why I think one of the reasons why the focus on the evidence isn't getting us that far is because it can be interpreted in different ways and what we have to acknowledge is that there are different values going on, and this is a very political debate."

Pest or pet?

A Defra source told BBC News that some civil servants working on the badger issue acknowledged that people had very different views of whether farmers had a right to control badgers, or whether wildlife was in some way "owned" by everyone.

Dr Cassidy discovered a divide stretching more than 200 years in the columns of The Times.

"Every so often I found these little flurries of correspondence between people arguing whether badgers were pests or likeable animals. This sort of thread pops up every 20 or 30 years.

"There's a link consistently about how people were talking about badgers then and now. When people were talking about liking badgers they would talk about them being clean domestic animals, very houseproud and family-oriented.

"People not liking badgers talked about them being dirty and disruptive. It's the same now." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19870587]
I didn't know there was a "cull" in the U.K., but it doesn't surprise me, as humans and animals coming into conflict usually ends up with the animals being "culled".

The memory that made me smile when I saw the story?


I can't tell you why, but that made me giggle like crazy the first time I saw it years ago. Apparently I wasn't the only ones, as numerous takeoff versions have been on YouTube since then.

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:28 AM

STORYMARK





Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 3:28 PM

PEACEKEEPER

Keeping order in every verse


You would have thought that some innoculation of livestock against TB would be the way to go??? Badgers have been a nuisance to me for years though. many a time I've chased the little buggers away when they come home pissed from the pub playing Knock a Door Run.

With the grace of age, commander, we learn to accept.

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Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:42 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



LOVE the 'badger,badger,badger' clip!




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, October 12, 2012 6:49 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Never saw that before, Rap? I'm surprised...it's ALL OVER the internet since it came out, with all the variations. I don't know WHY it tickled my funny bone, but the first time I saw it, it definitely did...to the point where I had to watch it several times just to get through my laughing spree.

There have been those who have said "badger, badger, badger", if you listen to it, becomes "magic, magic, magic"--referring to the 'shrooms, and that if you listen to the "oooo, a snake" it comes out "hallucinate". Makes more sense that way, if it makes sense at ALL, but people will hear anything...

And yes, innoculation would be the smart way to go; probably costs a lot more than just offing them, and we know how THAT goes.

I like badgers--not up close, mind you, but I admire the little spitfires. Never seen one in real life, but that's not surprising. Around here they keep a low profile, despite most critters (coyotes, bobcats, deer, foxes) knowing they're protected and not minding us seeing them. But then, they're badgers...


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Friday, October 12, 2012 6:55 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

LOVE the 'badger,badger,badger' clip!






There are only two kind of people in the world. Those who love "badger, badger, badger", and those who want 2 minutes and 54 seconds of thir life back. I would be in the second group.

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Friday, October 12, 2012 7:45 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)








How can you not include the nasty-ass Honey Badger, stupid?

(Before you think I'm just name-calling, Niki, watch the linked vid. It's part of it.)



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, October 12, 2012 8:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oh, heavens, I wouldn't think you're name calling...NOBODY could think the badger isn't nasty-ass! I give them points for that; there ain't much can take down a badger! To quote one source on badgers:
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The badger is renowned for its power, tenacity, and irascible temperament. Few animals care to tangle with an enraged badger. One badger even attacked a tractor that inadvertently ran over its den entrance!
I don't know where he gets the idea "enraged badger", as they're pretty much ALWAYS "irascible temperament", so how to tell one is enraged is beyond me.

I can't help but admire their attitude, tho' I would want to be around it!
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When backed into a corner by an overzealous observer, most kinds of wildlife will go the other direction. There are two animals, however, that can pretty much be counted on to violate this rule--the northern water snake and the badger. Both possess a vile temperament and, more often than not, will come straight toward you--very fast and very mad.

No one (at least those in their right mind) sticks around to mess with the business end of an irritated badger. Other animals don't fool with the critter either, making the badger one of the few species with virtually no natural enemies.

...."vile temperament"; that about sums it up, much better than "enraged badger"!

No, the video is right on target, they ARE nasty-ass critters! (and I enjoyed it thoroughly, thanx)


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Friday, October 12, 2012 9:18 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Well, I was talking about the "stupid" remark in my response. It just kills me when he says " 'Out of my way, Stupid,' says that bird..."


The honey badger video is old enough to have created a cottage industry (pistacchio commercials, lines of t-shirts that say "Honey Badger Don't Care", and more), but it's still funny as hell.

And badgers are pretty freakin' bad-ass.

Makes ya wonder how bad-ass a dachshund is, since they were bred to go after badgers in their holes!



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, October 12, 2012 1:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


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Originally posted by Niki2:

Never saw that before, Rap? I'm surprised...it's ALL OVER the internet since it came out, with all the variations.



Actually, I have seen it before, going back at least to '06, though it may have been earlier. Dunno how old the clip is.

I was hoping to find a short clip of OUR Badger, Mark Sheppard, but never got around to finding one which fit. Oh well.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Saturday, October 13, 2012 4:19 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Birth control hormones for 'destructive, dirty' possums

Birth-control hormones could be implanted in possums across Melbourne to curb spiralling numbers of the "destructive, dirty, pests".

A motion was moved at the Liberal state council in Ballarat this morning calling for the state government to investigate humane methods, including contraception, to control possum populations in residential areas.

"Possums are destructive, costly, dirty pests in suburbia," the Albert Park and South Melbourne branch said in the motion.

"Culling has been adopted elsewhere as being the best solution. We suggest that contraception be investigated as another approach for managing these wildlife pests for those concerned with animal welfare issues."
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In July, Yarra Council introduced a by-law that bans people from feeding the furry marsupials. The inner-city council is also running a two-year fertility control program to prevent them from destroying heritage trees in Carlton's Curtain Square park.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/animals/birth-control-hormones-fo
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A solution for badgers?

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Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:55 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

Originally posted by Niki2:
I don't know where he gets the idea "enraged badger"...


From the Department of Redundancy Department ?


-F

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Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:06 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Good one, Frem!

I would resent those statements about 'possums, except it sounds like they ARE a problem Down There. We've got 'em, but rarely see 'em and they're no problem here. Had a little mamma make a nest above our raven's aviary and was neat to see the babies and watch it all, since it was directly above the dining room window.

I always thought the most fun thing about 'possums was to find one and follow him slowly, watching how he desperately tried to "hurry away", hee, hee, hee!

We had one mistakenly come into our entryway years ago when Jo still lived with us. She came shrieking in about some "gigantic rat" out there--she'd never seen one before! We coaxed the poor scared little guy out..I've always thought they were comical little fellahs.

Had a book once called something like the "Naturalists Guide to Roadkill" which was funnier than hell (if you can get past the obvious). It had a page for each "species", with a black sillhouette of what they looked like as road kill (kind of like identification books do of birds) and a short blurb on each. For 'possums it said "An Opossum's method of defense is to play dead so the predator will leave it alone. Doesn't work very well against 60 mph Mustangs, however." Always made me giggle.


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