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Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:19 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


I was going to post in the Brit thread, but I'm not a Brit (despite DT's insistence)

So here is a bit of news I found kind of inspiring - and its about our PM as she delivers one hell of a speech in parliament condemning the Opposition Leader's misogyny. She's never been a popular PM, but she has to put up with some brutal condemnation that makes me ashamed to call myself Australian. Anyway, the video has gone viral.


Julia Gillard's attack on sexism hailed as turning point for Australian women

The gender wage gap is barely closing and sexual harassment is rife, but PM's outburst offers feminists fresh hope of change

Australian prime minister Julia Gillard attacks the opposition leader, Tony Abbott, calling him a misogynist and a hypocrite Link to this video

When Australia's prime minister, Julia Gillard, told the opposition leader, Tony Abbott, this week that if he wanted to know what misogyny looked like he should pick up a mirror, it was seen by many women as a defining moment for feminism in the country.

"I almost had shivers down my spine," said Sara Charlesworth, an associate professor at the University of South Australia. "I was so relieved that she had actually named what was happening. She was so angry, so coherent and able to register that enough is enough."

Gillard's denunciation of sexism in politics came during a debate about whether the speaker of the house should resign for sending text messages that denigrated women. Abbott told Gillard that unless she sacked Peter Slipper over the texts, she was just as bad as him. "I will not be lectured about sexism and misogyny by this man. Not now, not ever," she fired back across the dispatch box. "The leader of the opposition says that people who hold sexist views and who are misogynists are not appropriate for high office. Well I hope the leader of the opposition has got a piece of paper and is writing out his resignation."

It was the first time an Australian leader – and possibly any world leader – had delivered such a forthright attack on misogyny in public life. Gillard cited Abbott's past description of abortion as "the easy way out"; his characterisation of Australian women as housewives who did the ironing; and his suggestion that men were better adapted than women to exercise authority and issue commands. She listed Abbott's calls for her to, "politically speaking", make an honest woman of herself, as well as his appearance at political rallies in front of placards that described her as a "witch" and another man's "bitch".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/12/julia-gillard-sexism-austr
alian-women?newsfeed=true


And this article talks about some of the abuse copped by Gillard. Contains some offensive stuff.

http://annesummers.com.au/speeches/her-rights-at-work-r-rated/

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Saturday, October 13, 2012 7:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I had heard that Australia was sexist, I had no idea it was so bad. Or is this unusual and not representative of attitudes at large?

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Saturday, October 13, 2012 8:56 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Uh, I dont know how to answer that about a whole country.

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Saturday, October 13, 2012 9:38 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Well, OK, I'll start with the broad stereotypes. Being American, it's hard for me to see us as others see us. And then I guess it depends on which others are doing the looking. But I would guess that judging this country by the image I THINK we project abroad Americans would be judged spoiled, entitled and ignorant. Throw in selfish and violent. Hmmmm ... a lot like little rappy.

Also, I work with a lot of 'foreigners'. They're extremely well educated foreigners so they're not the norm. But they're definitely not here with the starry-eyed notion that at least here they have the 'freedom' to 'make something of themselves'. Very pragmatically one mainland Chinese woman told me - if things are going to fall, at least this country being so big it will take a long time.

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Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:49 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Well, OK, I'll start with the broad stereotypes. Being American, it's hard for me to see us as others see us. And then I guess it depends on which others are doing the looking. But I would guess that judging this country by the image I THINK we project abroad Americans would be judged spoiled, entitled and ignorant. Throw in selfish and violent. Hmmmm ... a lot like little rappy.

Also, I work with a lot of 'foreigners'. They're extremely well educated foreigners so they're not the norm. But they're definitely not here with the starry-eyed notion that at least here they have the 'freedom' to 'make something of themselves'. Very pragmatically one mainland Chinese woman told me - if things are going to fall, at least this country being so big it will take a long time.



I don't know if the image we project is anything like what we are, seeing as most people from other parts of the world are entirely ignorant of our country. I 'think' our image is one of being like country yokels, kind of friendly but ignorant. I'm sure there are plenty of people who fit that description, but it doesn't really describe us as a nation - if you can use broad stereotypes to define a nation.

Like the US, we vary from place to place. But largely we are urban dwellers, despite our image. About 90%. I think if I had to describe us, I would say we have a somewhat blokey culture (if you understand that word) rather than sexist. Women hold many positions of power, including both the highest positions, the Prime Minister and the Governor General (Queen's Rep) and I think we have sound equal opportunity laws. But as a nation we tend to love our sports - male dominated of course, we have a big gambling culture, we tend towards being outdoorsy ie bbq's, beaches, fishing, boating etc.

So I don't know if we are more sexist that anywhere else. I don't believe we are more sexist than Britain. And the men I tend to hang out with are not, so that's about as much as I can tell you.

I know misogyny has been in the news a lot. Certainly there has been some pretty vile stuff around the PM. Partly that is down to it being a hung parliament, so the stakes are high and the gloves are definitely off.

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Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Some I know who have lived and worked in Australia have relayed stories of cultural differences between there and the U.S. What passes as normal down there would seem sexist to those here in the US. Took them quite by surprise.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, October 14, 2012 2:35 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


From the New Yorker




October 9, 2012
Ladylike: Julia Gillard’s Misogyny Speech
Posted by Amelia Lester

So why is this among the most-shared videos by my American friends today? Purely as political theatre, it’s great fun. Americans used to flipping past the droning on in empty chambers that passes for legislative debate in this country are always taken in by the rowdiness of parliamentary skirmish. It could also be that the political dynamic depicted in the clip parallels the situation in the States: a chief executive who is a “first” took power after a long period of control from the right of center, and whose signature policy achievements have at times been overshadowed by personal vitriol. Or perhaps it’s that we are right now in one of the rare periods every four years where the American political process provides actual face-to-face debate between the leaders of the two parties. After his performance last week, supporters of President Obama, watching Gillard cut through the disingenuousness and feigned moral outrage of her opponent to call him out for his own personal prejudice, hypocrisy, and aversion to facts, might be wishing their man would take a lesson from Australia.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/10/julia-gillards-
misogyny-speech.html#ixzz29HAhwIPg


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Sunday, October 14, 2012 2:55 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Or when he suggested in parliament that Gillard should “make an honest woman of herself.” (That Gillard is unmarried and does not have children has long been a source of outrage for her opponents, one of whom described her as “barren.”)


See, that's the sort of thing I was talking about. I don't know of anyone who'd have said the same for a woman politician here in the States. Condi Rice, though never an elected official, has never seen that sort of treatment from her opponents, at least none of that I'm aware.

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It’s not just Gillard who has faced Abbott’s demanding standards: in 2004 he described abortion as “the easy way out,” and as Australia debated the introduction of a carbon tax, Abbott directed his appeal against the proposal to “the housewives of Australia, as they do the ironing.”

Abbott has not denounced others who have called Gillard “a man’s bitch” and a “witch”—in fact, he’s been photographed standing next to them, outside of Parliament House in Canberra. Gillard, of course, has her own strategic interests here as well—to keep Slipper on her party’s side—but in the process she got everyone talking about something much more important.



Closest thing like that I've heard any politician utter are Joey Biden, calling Barack the " first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy", or referencing Indians, "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." .

But of course, that's just Joe being Joe.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, October 14, 2012 6:13 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"first mainstream African-American (presidential candidate) who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy"
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking."

Just fyi, while all sexraceage...ism is based in stereotypes, not all stereotypes are sexraceage...ism.

Calling an African-American presidential candidate 'articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy' isn't a stereotype it's an individual description, and it isn't a slight.

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Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Omigawd, Magons, that's just beyond words! NOBODY over here would dare do the kinds of things inumerated in Summers' article, it sickens me beyond belief. The woman's got guts, taking all of that kind of shit.

It's interesting that things have become so vituperative over there as they have here...to an extent many of us would say has never been seen before, despite the usual bulshit that accompanies politics. I wonder if it's as bad in the rest of the "Westernized world"? Pretty sad statement on both our countries, at the very least.

I, too, have gotten the impression over time that Australia is somewhat sexist, but never knew it was this bad. My sympathies, and I would like to hope that asshole Abbott gets his comeuppance, but I hold little hope for that, as confronting those kinds of people with who they are usually just makes for things to get worse, sadly. Sure sickening; what that woman must suffer, and apparently with some good grace until she finally spoke up. But that our Wimp in Chief WOULD do the same, except that he'd pay a hefty price for it (and lose the election no doubt)...our racism is at least as bad as your sexism, and he's worked hard to avoid the "Angry Black Man" label which would be shouted from the heavens should he ever show his temper.

I say go Julia, with all my good wishes. Now I'm going to go take a shower...


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Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:31 AM

BYTEMITE


Quote:

Or when he suggested in parliament that Gillard should “make an honest woman of herself.” (That Gillard is unmarried and does not have children has long been a source of outrage for her opponents, one of whom described her as “barren.”)


Wait, I don't understand this. Why would they tell her to make an honest woman of herself when she has no kids? That does not imply much is going on in her private life, but the implication they're sending is that she's promiscuous. And then call her barren?

They're all over the map insult wise, it doesn't make sense. It's like they can't decide whether to call her frigid or a slut, which is neither here nor there anyway. What does family life and traditional sexuality have to do with public service anyway? If she were uninterested in men, would it make any difference?

Sounds like they're grasping at straws. With some "nudge nudge wink wink it's a woman in politics isn't that precious" attitude.

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Sunday, October 14, 2012 7:40 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Sounds like they're grasping at straws. With some "nudge nudge wink wink it's a woman in politics isn't that precious" attitude.



Yeah, playing up on the implication that if she were a REAL woman, she'd be a mum by now, and likely back in the kitchen w/ a parcel of critters underfoot, where she belongs.






" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Sunday, October 14, 2012 1:12 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


Damn, computer crashed and I lost my post.

The Summers article referred to three areas of attack that Gillard has experienced, from the Opposition, from elements of the mainstream media and from social media forums.

If I take the Opposition, I might say somewhat in their defense that parliamentary debate is generally robust here, and can be very vitriolic, that is from both sides. Catcalling and interruption, insults are all de rigeur, even though the Speaker's role is to keep it under control. I guess most Australians would not be too concerned. Question time in Parliament is a bit of a circus and can be quite entertaining. I might add that Parliamentary Privilege is in place which means that they are able to make statements free from concern about legal consequences ie being sued for slander. The idea is that arguments can be robust and that allegations can be made without fear, but it does get used for some nasty stuff.

That being said, Abbot, leader of the Coalition, a right winged party has gone in far harder on Gillard than we have seen before in Parliament, I think. The Government is a hung parliament. Neither party has outright majority and the government hinges on a couple of independants voting with them. Abbot's expectation was that the government would fall before end of term and that if an election was called he would romp into power, so he's gone about as negative as you can get. The issue is that the government has limped on through its term and now Abbot is losing ground as preferred leader probably because he has been so negative and aggressive. His tactics may still pay off.

The reference to 'making an honest women' was in regards to Gillard being accused over and over of lying due to a backflip she did on the Carbon Tax - again a result of having to deals with the Greens to form a government. So although Abbot was not referring to her marital status, he knew that his dig had a double meaning, intended to insult.

Abbot is a jerk, no doubt about it, but a jerk that would be welcomed with open arms in the Republican Party, given his views on a number of issues, including abortion, although he would probably be considered a centreist in American rather than extreme right.

Abbot has full support in his attack by the right winged elements of the media, who have been responsible for the sexist and vile attacks on Gillard. His special buddy is Alan Jones a sydney shock jock who I posted about on the Brit thread, and is a shocking human being, kind of in the Rush Limbaugh model. In fact, I think the comparisons hold up well given the recent vileness that Limbaugh displayed to a woman during the insuring contraception issue. We don't have television media quite as batshit crazy as Fox, but we do have a number of fool radio commentators - in Sydney - we're too refined in Melbourne for such drivel. But there has been consistent vitriol against Gillard from much of our media, some of it encouraging misogyny.

The other part, the Internet drivel, appalling as it is, is just the Internet in all its glory. Seen much of its equal on these very boards over the years and in some ways have seen something similar happen with Obama, which has brought to the for all the racist nutjobs who post vileness on the Internet because he happens to be black, just as Gillard has copped it for being a woman.

Anyway, I was proud of her that day, she socked it to Abbot and her opponents pretty darned well.

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Sunday, October 14, 2012 8:11 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


This could go in the Brit thread as well.


Kat Banyard: 'We were sold a lie on an almighty scale, that equality had been won, the battle was over'

Britain's leading young feminist talks about the global exploitation of pornography, women's right to an abortion, and the mass lobby of parliament she is leading

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2012/oct/14/kat-banyard-feminis
t-pornography-equality



Quote:

Banyard regards the sex industry's male consumers as victims too. "I think their sexuality has been co-opted by a predatory sex industry, which distorts and exploits it for profit. A new generation of boys, the vast majority have watched hardcore pornography on the internet, so we have a generation of boys coming through whose first sexual experiences will be vicariously participating in prostitution. They are watching filmed prostitution and getting their ideas about sex from it. This is an industry dedicated to finding ways of getting men to come back and keep coming back for more, so it tends to be increasingly violent to keep upping that response."

Another way of looking at it would be less charitable. Offered limitless choice, it turns out that what men really want is the most violent, degrading, misogynist porn imaginable. Does that tell us something about men?



Interesting article about the new wave of feminism



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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:55 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Good video.

The pornography issue is interesting. It's very pervasive and I don't see how it can't influence culture, society and gender relations, in subtle and perhaps not-so-subtle ways in the future. And I don't see how those influences can be good :-/

It's not personal. It's just war.

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