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A123 Systems - Yet another one bites the dust

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:36 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


" You pick the losers "



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A123 Systems Inc., a Waltham-based maker of lithium-ion batteries, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in federal court in Delaware Tuesday morning, saying in court filings that it has agreed to sell such automotive business assets as its facilities in Michigan.

In a recent regulatory filing, the company said that a default on some of its debt is likely, and it warned that it might be heading for bankruptcy protection.

A123 declined comment beyond a press release that said it had entered an asset purchase agreement with Johnson Controls Inc. In a transaction valued at $125 million, Johnson Controls plans to acquire A123’s automotive business assets, including its facilities in Livonia and Romulus, Mich.

A123 bet heavily that its batteries would be ideal for helping to power electric and hybrid vehicles, but the company has struggled in the last year, with layoffs and a recall of some of its batteries.

Recently, A123 looked as if it might be rescued by an investment of up to $450 million by Chinese auto-parts maker Wanxiang Group. Wanxiang could not immediately be reached.

In a press release Tuesday, A123 chief executive David Vieau said: “We determined not to move forward with the previously announced Wanxiang agreement as a result of unanticipated and significant challenges to its completion. Since disclosing the Wanxiang agreement, we have simultaneously been evaluating contingencies, and we are pleased that Johnson Controls recognizes the inherent value of our automotive technology and automotive business assets.”

In 2009, A123 held an initial public stock offering, raising about $380 million with its initial stock offering.

Also in 2009, A123 received a $249.1 million grant from the US Department of Energy to build battery manufacturing operations in Michigan.

http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/10/16/systems-expects-defau
lt-some-debt/D9Pxwswc8nuG9dqhKFkLwM/story.html


Erin Ailworth can be reached at eailworth@globe.com.





" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:39 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Oooo, goodie goodie for Rap. He's found something to put up that no doubt makes him just DROOL with self-righteousness. Enjoy, Rap.

Nobody tell him that every administration screws up, even (gasp!) REPUBLICAN ones. That would take all the fun out of it.


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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:43 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



Just another in the long line of indications , Niki, that this President and this admin have absolutely no clue of what they're doing.

Some of us are paying attention. You ? Clearly aren't among that group.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:01 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Nah, I'm as aware as anyone else. I just see the whole picture, through history, I'm not obsessive about how "bad" this administration has been.

Rather than talk about one failed business, how about how the Bush administration failed the whole COUNTRY?
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Bush tax giveaways:

•didn’t create jobs (Job losses: 7,796,000 for GOP v. 41,000 for Obama)

•didn’t create growth

•put us into debt to give the wealthiest Americans a break at the expense of the middle class

BUSH POLICIES: NO GROWTH, NO JOBS, NO GAINS FOR MIDDLE CLASS

BUSH TAX GIVEAWAYS FOR THE RICH DID NOT CREATE ECONOMIC GROWTH; FROM 2001 TO 2007 ECONOMIC GROWTH AVERAGED 2.3 PERCENT ANNUALLY.

BUSH TAX CUTS DID NOT CREATE JOBS: FROM 2001-JUNE 2007 JOBS GREW AT 4.8 PERCENT COMPARED TO 16.2 PERCENT UNDER THE SAME TIME PERIOD UNDER CLINTON.

BUSH TAX CUTS DID NOT PRODUCE INCREASE IN REAL INCOME (1.6 PERCENT) COMPARED TO CLINTON POLICIES (14.7 PERCENT).

2001 AND 2003 BUSH TAX CUTS THE ‘SINGLE LARGEST CAUSE OF AMERICA’S STRUCTURAL DEFICIT.’

CONTINUING BUSH POLICIES, INCLUDING THE BUSH TAX CUTS, WOULD LEAD TO A NATIONAL DEBT 90 PERCENT OF GDP BY 2020.

2009-2019: BUSH POLICIES OF TAX CUTS AND WARS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN WILL ACCOUNT FOR ALMOST $7 TRILLION IN DEFICITS. Details at http://www.responsibletaxes.org/resources/killer-facts-on-failure-of-b
ush-economic-policies/
]
The material, by the way, was just copied and pasted; I'm not responsible for the all caps.

Or how about Clinton: There's the biggie,
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Clinton's proposal for massive reform of the health care system ended up a massive failure, reinforcing the Clinton administration's tendency to stick to the political middle ground.

A few of his other failures:
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--Fell flat on his face with handling terror attacks on America

--Failed to contain Saddam Hussein or stop his WMD production

--Bombed the Chinese embassy by mistake in Kosovo

--At least 86 major American corporate scandals grew on his watch unchecked

--Intelligence reform: failed to remove the wall of communication between agencies

--Law enforcement and immigration
--Waico TX blew up in his face
--Manhandled a Cuban child at gunpoint
--allowed millions of immigrants into the country unchecked
--2000 CIA study noted uptick in 11 major international criminal enterprises on his watch http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110510144104AAYBmlg


I'm sure others could list other failures.

All administrations fail at things. It's just your obsession on hating anything to do with the left that makes you myopic and totally incapable of perspective, that's all.


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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:08 AM

STORYMARK


Let the boy indulge his derangement syndrome.

It gives the rest of us more to laugh at.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:14 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


....sorry....

sometimes I just can't resist.


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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:19 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Let the boy indulge his derangement syndrome.

It gives the rest of us more to laugh at.




Barry's picking losers, and using our $ to do it.

And you talk about derangement syndrome ?

Too gorram funny.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 8:39 AM

AURAPTOR

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Yeah, not a shining moment for Slick Willie.


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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:08 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Was there ever a company that got funds, loans, or bailouts from the Bush or Reagan admins that later went belly-up?

A savings and loan, perhaps? A Kevin Costner movie shared the name, possibly?

Ring any bells?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:43 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Funny thing is this same company got a grant from the Bush administration to help with construction of a plant.

Rappy does not understand that the government gives out grant like this all the time. Most of the time you don't hear about it because the buisness does not fail.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Funny thing is this same company got a grant from the Bush administration to help with construction of a plant.

Rappy does not understand that the government gives out grant like this all the time. Most of the time you don't hear about it because the buisness does not fail.



Construction of a plant? Which plant ? And how is that relevant to this issue ?

Romney is dead on right here. Obama has tried to pick winners and losers in the Green energy industry, throwing good money after bad, for purely political reasons. And not just 'minor' favors, like we see done so often in politics, but $ which far exceeds the amount BIG OIL gets.

So, yet another Obama backed green energy company goes tits up. Hell, the Left will probably congratulate him for his failure. The fact that he CARES so much, is all that matters to his myrmidons. Screw about how wise it was, or that he's an incompetent dork, who doesn't understand how the real world works.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:13 PM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Funny thing is this same company got a grant from the Bush administration to help with construction of a plant.



Well, duh. If Bush does it, it's all good in Rappyland. If Obama does it, its eeeeevil.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:20 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Storymark:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Funny thing is this same company got a grant from the Bush administration to help with construction of a plant.



Well, duh. If Bush does it, it's all good in Rappyland. If Obama does it, its eeeeevil.



Or, if Bush does something, and it doesn't work, then it's perfectly fine for Barry to come in after, make a bad mistake much worse, and then he's covered, because someone else did it first ?

Idiot.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Hey I don't know of any movies named Countrywide but it received all sorts of bailout money from sugar daddy Bush only to be foisted onto BofA at its point of death. And now BofA is like the weak swimmer being drowned by the drowner.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 5:01 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Construction of a plant? Which plant ?



A123 System's plant, the same company that we are talking about. Please try and follow along with the adult conversation going on or take your ass back to the kids table son.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 5:09 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Construction of a plant? Which plant ?



A123 System's plant, the same company that we are talking about. Please try and follow along with the adult conversation going on or take your ass back to the kids table son.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.



You've offered no cites. If you can't reply in an adult manner to a simple, basic question, then I'm done /w you.

Companies often have more than just 1 plant, and are involved with the making of more than just 1 product. And even IF Bush gave them money, so the frell what ? Obama still gave them 250 million, and they FAILED ! Bush has been out of office for 4 years not. STOP BLAMING HIM FOR OBAMA'S FUCK UP!

And you're a known liar as well, so what of your sig ?


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 5:19 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
[You've offered no cites. If you can't reply in an adult manner to a simple, basic question, then I'm done /w you.



Citations, all you had to do was ask.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/16/14489314-battery-firm-ba
nkruptcy-comes-after-bipartisan-funding-under-both-bush-and-obama?lite


http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/battery-builder-a123-won-249-mi
llion-federal-grant-143806554.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/17/business/battery-maker-a123-systems-
files-for-bankruptcy.html?_r=0


http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121016/AUTO01/210160393

The Bush administration gave the company grants, even touted it as part of the future of manufacturing. Members of the GOP agreed and supported the grant application.

Oh, and you are not done with me until I say you are done with me.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 5:31 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



And I'm done w/ you.


List Of Failed Green Energy Jobs & Companies – By Obama

**Update: 7/19/12: The Amonix Solar: FAIL! – manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, subsidized by more than $20 million in federal tax credits and grants given by Obama Administration, has closed its 214,000 square foot facility a year after it opened.
Solar Trust of America: FAIL! - Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012

Bright Source: FAIL! - Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Bright Source lost billions of dollars but is getting more money to keep trying. Can you say, “This isn’t working Mr. President?”

Solyndra: FAIL! - Obama gave $500,000,000 (that’s a HALF BILLION!) in taxpayer money to Solyndra who shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 after billions in losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! Barack Obama was not vetted before being elected President and neither was Solyndra before Mr. Obama threw that taxpayer money down the drain of unproven technology.

LSP Energy: FAIL! - LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012

Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL! – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy

Abound Solar: FAIL! - Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama then announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy. Many of these failed corporations, such as Abound, donated MILLIONS and continue to donate to Barack Obama’s campaign. Can you say, “Democrat Slush Fund”? Yes this is illegal. But Democrats are being protected from being prosecuted, for now.

SunPower: FAIL! - SunPower stopped producing solar cells in 2011 at near bankruptcy then restructured with the help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL, Inc. who owns 60% stake in SunPower. Irony? The company is still struggling.

Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in October, 2011 just a year after Obama approved a $43 million Government loan guarantee. They remain barely in business, still struggling to make energy that makes sense or that works at all.

Ecotality: FAIL! - ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money and remains on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from President Obama, who wants to do some more of this kind of Democrat Slush Fund Guarantees after he is elected to a 2nd term.

A123 Solar: FAIL! - A123 Solar received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees even after the Solyndra bankruptcy and is getting another $500M from Obama after a loss of $400M.

UniSolar: FAIL! - Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20, 2012 after laying off hundreds of workers. UniSolar received even more Obama money after showing now progress, no profits and is still failing… yet they still remain in business with Obama’s help.

Azure Dynamics: FAIL! - Azure Dynamics filed for bankruptcy in June , 2012 wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” money and received abatement on taxes owed and and several tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.

Evergreen Solar: FAIL! - Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.

Ener1: FAIL! Ener1 Inc. received a $118 million U.S. Energy Department grant from President Obama to make electric-car batteries but filed for bankruptcy protection January 2012 after defaulting on bond debt.


** And note, this list doesn't include the most recent failings !


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


As compared to sugar-daddy George's list of bank failures?

First Federal Bank of California, F.S.B. Santa Monica CA 28536 OneWest Bank, FSB December 18, 2009 August 23, 2012
Imperial Capital Bank La Jolla CA 26348 City National Bank December 18, 2009 September 5, 2012
Independent Bankers' Bank Springfield IL 26820 The Independent BankersBank (TIB) December 18, 2009 August 23, 2012
New South Federal Savings Bank Irondale AL 32276 Beal Bank December 18, 2009 August 23, 2012
Citizens State Bank New Baltimore MI 1006 No Acquirer December 18, 2009 August 23, 2012
Peoples First Community Bank Panama City FL 32167 Hancock Bank December 18, 2009 August 23, 2012
RockBridge Commercial Bank Atlanta GA 58315 No Acquirer December 18, 2009 August 23, 2012
SolutionsBank Overland Park KS 4731 Arvest Bank December 11, 2009 August 23, 2012
Valley Capital Bank, N.A. Mesa AZ 58399 Enterprise Bank & Trust December 11, 2009 August 23, 2012
Republic Federal Bank, N.A. Miami FL 22846 1st United Bank December 11, 2009 August 23, 2012
Greater Atlantic Bank Reston VA 32583 Sonabank December 4, 2009 August 23, 2012
Benchmark Bank Aurora IL 10440 MB Financial Bank, N.A. December 4, 2009 August 23, 2012
AmTrust Bank Cleveland OH 29776 New York Community Bank December 4, 2009 August 22, 2012
The Tattnall Bank Reidsville GA 12080 Heritage Bank of the South December 4, 2009 August 22, 2012
First Security National Bank Norcross GA 26290 State Bank and Trust Company December 4, 2009 August 22, 2012
The Buckhead Community Bank Atlanta GA 34663 State Bank and Trust Company December 4, 2009 August 22, 2012
Commerce Bank of Southwest Florida Fort Myers FL 58016 Central Bank November 20, 2009 August 22, 2012
Pacific Coast National Bank San Clemente CA 57914 Sunwest Bank November 13, 2009 August 22, 2012
Orion Bank Naples FL 22427 IBERIABANK November 13, 2009 August 22, 2012
Century Bank, F.S.B. Sarasota FL 32267 IBERIABANK November 13, 2009 August 22, 2012
United Commercial Bank San Francisco CA 32469 East West Bank November 6, 2009 August 22, 2012
Gateway Bank of St. Louis St. Louis MO 19450 Central Bank of Kansas City November 6, 2009 August 22, 2012
Prosperan Bank Oakdale MN 35074 Alerus Financial, N.A. November 6, 2009 August 22, 2012
Home Federal Savings Bank Detroit MI 30329 Liberty Bank and Trust Company November 6, 2009 August 22, 2012
United Security Bank Sparta GA 22286 Ameris Bank November 6, 2009 September 7, 2012
North Houston Bank Houston TX 18776 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30, 2009 August 22, 2012
Madisonville State Bank Madisonville TX 33782 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30, 2009 August 22, 2012
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Park National Bank Chicago IL 11677 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30, 2009 August 22, 2012
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Community Bank of Lemont Lemont IL 35291 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30, 2009 August 22, 2012
Bank USA, N.A. Phoenix AZ 32218 U.S. Bank N.A. October 30, 2009 August 22, 2012
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American United Bank Lawrenceville GA 57794 Ameris Bank October 23, 2009 September 5, 2012
Partners Bank Naples FL 57959 Stonegate Bank October 23, 2009 September 7, 2012
San Joaquin Bank Bakersfield CA 23266 Citizens Business Bank October 16, 2009 August 22, 2012
Southern Colorado National Bank Pueblo CO 57263 Legacy Bank October 2, 2009 September 5, 2012
Jennings State Bank Spring Grove MN 11416 Central Bank October 2, 2009 August 21, 2012
Warren Bank Warren MI 34824 The Huntington National Bank October 2, 2009 August 21, 2012
Georgian Bank Atlanta GA 57151 First Citizens Bank and Trust Company, Inc. September 25, 2009 August 21, 2012
Irwin Union Bank, F.S.B. Louisville KY 57068 First Financial Bank, N.A. September 18, 2009 September 5, 2012
Irwin Union Bank and Trust Company Columbus IN 10100 First Financial Bank, N.A. September 18, 2009 August 21, 2012
Venture Bank Lacey WA 22868 First-Citizens Bank & Trust Company September 11, 2009 August 21, 2012
Brickwell Community Bank Woodbury MN 57736 CorTrust Bank N.A. September 11, 2009 August 21, 2012
Corus Bank, N.A. Chicago IL 13693 MB Financial Bank, N.A. September 11, 2009 August 21, 2012
First State Bank Flagstaff AZ 34875 Sunwest Bank September 4, 2009 August 21, 2012
Platinum Community Bank Rolling Meadows IL 35030 No Acquirer September 4, 2009 August 21, 2012
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InBank Oak Forest IL 20203 MB Financial Bank, N.A. September 4, 2009 August 21, 2012
First Bank of Kansas City Kansas City MO 25231 Great American Bank September 4, 2009 August 21, 2012
Affinity Bank Ventura CA 27197 Pacific Western Bank August 28, 2009 August 21, 2012
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Bradford Bank Baltimore MD 28312 Manufacturers and Traders Trust Company (M&T Bank) August 28, 2009 September 5, 2012
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CapitalSouth Bank Birmingham AL 22130 IBERIABANK August 21, 2009 August 21, 2012
First Coweta Bank Newnan GA 57702 United Bank August 21, 2009 August 21, 2012
ebank Atlanta GA 34682 Stearns Bank, N.A. August 21, 2009 August 21, 2012
Community Bank of Nevada Las Vegas NV 34043 No Acquirer August 14, 2009 August 21, 2012
Community Bank of Arizona Phoenix AZ 57645 MidFirst Bank August 14, 2009 August 21, 2012
Union Bank, National Association Gilbert AZ 34485 MidFirst Bank August 14, 2009 August 21, 2012
Colonial Bank Montgomery AL 9609 Branch Banking & Trust Company, (BB&T) August 14, 2009 September 5, 2012
Dwelling House Savings and Loan Association Pittsburgh PA 31559 PNC Bank, N.A. August 14, 2009 August 20, 2012
Community First Bank Prineville OR 23268 Home Federal Bank August 7, 2009 August 20, 2012
Community National Bank of Sarasota County Venice FL 27183 Stearns Bank, N.A. August 7, 2009 August 20, 2012
First State Bank Sarasota FL 27364 Stearns Bank, N.A. August 7, 2009 August 20, 2012
Mutual Bank Harvey IL 18659 United Central Bank July 31, 2009 August 20, 2012
First BankAmericano Elizabeth NJ 34270 Crown Bank July 31, 2009 August 20, 2012
Peoples Community Bank West Chester OH 32288 First Financial Bank, N.A. July 31, 2009 August 20, 2012
Integrity Bank Jupiter FL 57604 Stonegate Bank July 31, 2009 August 20, 2012
First State Bank of Altus Altus OK 9873 Herring Bank July 31, 2009 August 20, 2012
Security Bank of Jones County Gray GA 8486 State Bank and Trust Company July 24, 2009 August 20, 2012
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Waterford Village Bank Williamsville NY 58065 Evans Bank, N.A. July 24, 2009 August 20, 2012
Temecula Valley Bank Temecula CA 34341 First-Citizens Bank & Trust Company July 17, 2009 August 20, 2012
Vineyard Bank Rancho Cucamonga CA 23556 California Bank & Trust July 17, 2009 August 20, 2012
BankFirst Sioux Falls SD 34103 Alerus Financial, N.A. July 17, 2009 August 20, 2012
First Piedmont Bank Winder GA 34594 First American Bank and Trust Company July 17, 2009 August 20, 2012
Bank of Wyoming Thermopolis WY 22754 Central Bank & Trust July 10, 2009 August 20, 2012
Founders Bank Worth IL 18390 The PrivateBank and Trust Company July 2, 2009 August 20, 2012
Millennium State Bank of Texas Dallas TX 57667 State Bank of Texas July 2, 2009 August 20, 2012
First National Bank of Danville Danville IL 3644 First Financial Bank, N.A. July 2, 2009 August 20, 2012
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Rock River Bank Oregon IL 15302 The Harvard State Bank July 2, 2009 August 20, 2012
First State Bank of Winchester Winchester IL 11710 The First National Bank of Beardstown July 2, 2009 August 20, 2012
John Warner Bank Clinton IL 12093 State Bank of Lincoln July 2, 2009 August 20, 2012
Mirae Bank Los Angeles CA 57332 Wilshire State Bank June 26, 2009 August 20, 2012
MetroPacific Bank Irvine CA 57893 Sunwest Bank June 26, 2009 August 20, 2012
Horizon Bank Pine City MN 9744 Stearns Bank, N.A. June 26, 2009 August 20, 2012
Neighborhood Community Bank Newnan GA 35285 CharterBank June 26, 2009 August 20, 2012
Community Bank of West Georgia Villa Rica GA 57436 No Acquirer June 26, 2009 August 17, 2012
First National Bank of Anthony Anthony KS 4614 Bank of Kansas June 19, 2009 August 17, 2012
Cooperative Bank Wilmington NC 27837 First Bank June 19, 2009 August 17, 2012
Southern Community Bank Fayetteville GA 35251 United Community Bank June 19, 2009 August 17, 2012
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America West Bank Layton UT 35461 Cache Valley Bank May 1, 2009 August 17, 2012
Citizens Community Bank Ridgewood NJ 57563 North Jersey Community Bank May 1, 2009 September 4, 2012
Silverton Bank, NA Atlanta GA 26535 No Acquirer May 1, 2009 August 17, 2012
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First Bank of Beverly Hills Calabasas CA 32069 No Acquirer April 24, 2009 September 4, 2012
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American Southern Bank Kennesaw GA 57943 Bank of North Georgia April 24, 2009 August 17, 2012
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Omni National Bank Atlanta GA 22238 No Acquirer March 27, 2009 August 17, 2012
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Security Savings Bank Henderson NV 34820 Bank of Nevada February 27, 2009 September 7, 2012
Heritage Community Bank Glenwood IL 20078 MB Financial Bank, N.A. February 27, 2009 August 17, 2012
Silver Falls Bank Silverton OR 35399 Citizens Bank February 20, 2009 August 17, 2012
Pinnacle Bank of Oregon Beaverton OR 57342 Washington Trust Bank of Spokane February 13, 2009 August 17, 2012
Corn Belt Bank & Trust Co. Pittsfield IL 16500 The Carlinville National Bank February 13, 2009 August 17, 2012
Riverside Bank of the Gulf Coast Cape Coral FL 34563 TIB Bank February 13, 2009 August 17, 2012
Sherman County Bank Loup City NE 5431 Heritage Bank February 13, 2009 August 17, 2012
County Bank Merced CA 22574 Westamerica Bank February 6, 2009 September 4, 2012
Alliance Bank Culver City CA 23124 California Bank & Trust February 6, 2009 August 16, 2012
FirstBank Financial Services McDonough GA 57017 Regions Bank February 6, 2009 August 16, 2012
Ocala National Bank Ocala FL 26538 CenterState Bank of Florida, N.A. January 30, 2009 September 4, 2012
Suburban FSB Crofton MD 30763 Bank of Essex January 30, 2009 August 16, 2012
MagnetBank Salt Lake City UT 58001 No Acquirer January 30, 2009 August 16, 2012
1st Centennial Bank Redlands CA 33025 First California Bank January 23, 2009 August 16, 2012
Bank of Clark County Vancouver WA 34959 Umpqua Bank January 16, 2009 August 16, 2012
National Bank of Commerce Berkeley IL 19733 Republic Bank of Chicago January 16, 2009 August 16, 2012
Sanderson State Bank
En Español Sanderson TX 11568 The Pecos County State Bank December 12, 2008 September 4, 2012
Haven Trust Bank Duluth GA 35379 Branch Banking & Trust Company, (BB&T) December 12, 2008 August 16, 2012
First Georgia Community Bank Jackson GA 34301 United Bank December 5, 2008 August 16, 2012
PFF Bank & Trust Pomona CA 28344 U.S. Bank, N.A. November 21, 2008 September 4, 2012
Downey Savings & Loan Newport Beach CA 30968 U.S. Bank, N.A. November 21, 2008 September 4, 2012
Community Bank Loganville GA 16490 Bank of Essex November 21, 2008 September 4, 2012
Security Pacific Bank Los Angeles CA 23595 Pacific Western Bank November 7, 2008 August 28, 2012
Franklin Bank, SSB Houston TX 26870 Prosperity Bank November 7, 2008 August 16, 2012
Freedom Bank Bradenton FL 57930 Fifth Third Bank October 31, 2008 August 16, 2012
Alpha Bank & Trust Alpharetta GA 58241 Stearns Bank, N.A. October 24, 2008 August 16, 2012
Meridian Bank Eldred IL 13789 National Bank October 10, 2008 May 31, 2012
Main Street Bank Northville MI 57654 Monroe Bank & Trust October 10, 2008 August 16, 2012
Washington Mutual Bank
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Ameribank Northfork WV 6782 The Citizens Savings Bank

Pioneer Community Bank, Inc. September 19, 2008 August 16, 2012
Silver State Bank
En Español Henderson NV 34194 Nevada State Bank September 5, 2008 August 16, 2012
Integrity Bank Alpharetta GA 35469 Regions Bank August 29, 2008 August 16, 2012
Columbian Bank & Trust Topeka KS 22728 Citizens Bank & Trust August 22, 2008 August 16, 2012
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First National Bank of Nevada Reno NV 27011 Mutual of Omaha Bank July 25, 2008 August 28, 2012
IndyMac Bank Pasadena CA 29730 OneWest Bank, FSB July 11, 2008 August 28, 2012
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Hume Bank Hume MO 1971 Security Bank March 7, 2008 August 28, 2012
Douglass National Bank Kansas City MO 24660 Liberty Bank and Trust Company January 25, 2008 August 28, 2012
Miami Valley Bank Lakeview OH 16848 The Citizens Banking Company October 4, 2007 August 28, 2012
NetBank Alpharetta GA 32575 ING DIRECT September 28, 2007 August 28, 2012
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Bank of Ephraim Ephraim UT 1249 Far West Bank June 25, 2004 April 9, 2008
Reliance Bank White Plains NY 26778 Union State Bank March 19, 2004 April 9, 2008
Guaranty National Bank of Tallahassee Tallahassee FL 26838 Hancock Bank of Florida March 12, 2004 June 5, 2012
Dollar Savings Bank Newark NJ 31330 No Acquirer February 14, 2004 April 9, 2008
Pulaski Savings Bank Philadelphia PA 27203 Earthstar Bank November 14, 2003 July 22, 2005
First National Bank of Blanchardville Blanchardville WI 11639 The Park Bank May 9, 2003 June 5, 2012
Southern Pacific Bank Torrance CA 27094 Beal Bank February 7, 2003 October 20, 2008
Farmers Bank of Cheneyville Cheneyville LA 16445 Sabine State Bank & Trust December 17, 2002 October 20, 2004
Bank of Alamo Alamo TN 9961 No Acquirer November 8, 2002 March 18, 2005
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En Español Atlanta GA 33784 No Acquirer September 30, 2002 September 11, 2006
Universal Federal Savings Bank Chicago IL 29355 Chicago Community Bank June 27, 2002 April 9, 2008
Connecticut Bank of Commerce Stamford CT 19183 Hudson United Bank June 26, 2002 February 14, 2012
New Century Bank Shelby Township MI 34979 No Acquirer March 28, 2002 March 18, 2005
Net 1st National Bank Boca Raton FL 26652 Bank Leumi USA March 1, 2002 April 9, 2008
NextBank, NA Phoenix AZ 22314 No Acquirer February 7, 2002 August 27, 2010
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Hamilton Bank, NA
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Malta National Bank Malta OH 6629 North Valley Bank May 3, 2001 November 18, 2002
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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:56 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

And I'm done w/ you.




Oh, you aint done yet younging.

You're so fucking sad. Instead od addressing any points made you decide to copy and paste a list.

Before I get into specifics one major point is that these companys are failing during the worst economic recession since the great depression, brought on by a decade of conservative economic policies.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
List Of Failed Green Energy Jobs & Companies – By Obama

**Update: 7/19/12: The Amonix Solar: FAIL! – manufacturing plant in North Las Vegas, subsidized by more than $20 million in federal tax credits and grants given by Obama Administration, has closed its 214,000 square foot facility a year after it opened.
Solar Trust of America: FAIL! - Filed Bankruptcy in Oakland, CA, April 3, 2012



Amonix did not fail, it closed one plant. The company is still in operation in Califorina.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-19/u-dot-s-dot-backed-amonix-
solar-plant-closes-las-vegas-review-journal


Solar Trust of America turned down the federal loan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Trust_of_America


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bright Source: FAIL! - Bright Source warned Obama’s Energy Department officials in March 2011 that delays in approving a $1.6 billion U.S. loan guarantee would embarrass the White House and force the solar-energy company to close. Bright Source lost billions of dollars but is getting more money to keep trying. Can you say, “This isn’t working Mr. President?”



Yup, Bright Source is in such a dire situation that it stopped it's IPO because right now it does not need the money.
http://gigaom.com/cleantech/the-story-behind-brightsources-ditched-ipo/

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Solyndra: FAIL! - Obama gave $500,000,000 (that’s a HALF BILLION!) in taxpayer money to Solyndra who shut its doors and laid off 1100 workers in August 2011 after billions in losses due to failure to make a solar product that works! Barack Obama was not vetted before being elected President and neither was Solyndra before Mr. Obama threw that taxpayer money down the drain of unproven technology.



Yes, it failed. Not because it did not make a working product, but because it had bet on using CIGS based panels instead of conventional silicon based ones. It failed when the price of silicon dropped, meaning it's panels were more expencive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
LSP Energy: FAIL! - LSPEnergy LP filed bankruptcy protection and a sale of its assets in Feb 2012



LSP Energy filed after having massive problems with the combustion turbine at it's power plant. It should also be noted this is a conventional natural gas plant, not a more risky green energy plant.
http://www.thedeal.com/content/energy/lsp-energy-powers-on-chapter-11.
php


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Energy Conversion Devices: FAIL! – On February 14, 2012 Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. and its subsidiaries filed for bankruptcy



The company is still in operation, like the majority of corporate bankruptcy they are using it as a tool to reduce their debte. Here the problem. The company applied, BUT DID NOT GET loans from the Energy department.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204795304577222991181931
050.html


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Abound Solar: FAIL! - Abound Solar received a $400 million loan guarantee from Barack Obama then announced in June, 2012 that it would file for bankruptcy. Many of these failed corporations, such as Abound, donated MILLIONS and continue to donate to Barack Obama’s campaign. Can you say, “Democrat Slush Fund”? Yes this is illegal. But Democrats are being protected from being prosecuted, for now.



Failed much the same way Solindra did. I want to see a citation on the "Democrat Slush Fund".


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
SunPower: FAIL! - SunPower stopped producing solar cells in 2011 at near bankruptcy then restructured with the help of, get this, oil giant TOTAL, Inc. who owns 60% stake in SunPower. Irony? The company is still struggling.



Struggling, but still on it's feet. So struggling is now failure?

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Beacon Power: FAIL! – Beacon Power Corp filed for bankruptcy protection in October, 2011 just a year after Obama approved a $43 million Government loan guarantee. They remain barely in business, still struggling to make energy that makes sense or that works at all.



So again still in business.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ecotality: FAIL! - ECOtality, a San Francisco green-tech company that never earned any money and remains on the verge of bankruptcy after receiving roughly $115 million in two loan guarantees from President Obama, who wants to do some more of this kind of Democrat Slush Fund Guarantees after he is elected to a 2nd term.



I don't think what ever hack wrote this list understands what fail means. I also don't think they understand that employees of a company donating to political parties is very different than the company donating.


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
A123 Solar: FAIL! - A123 Solar received $279 million from taxpayers thanks to President Obama’s Department of Energy loan guarantees even after the Solyndra bankruptcy and is getting another $500M from Obama after a loss of $400M.



As shown also awarded loans by the Bush administration and supported by members of the GOP.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
UniSolar: FAIL! - Uni-Solar filed for Ch 11 bankruptcy in June 20, 2012 after laying off hundreds of workers. UniSolar received even more Obama money after showing now progress, no profits and is still failing… yet they still remain in business with Obama’s help.



Do you understand that the purpose of federal grants is to help support companies as they get started. Perhaps we should give grants only to companies that don't need them. You know that make sense...maybe for you.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Azure Dynamics: FAIL! - Azure Dynamics filed for bankruptcy in June , 2012 wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” money and received abatement on taxes owed and and several tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.



Wasted? If it was able to pay it's employees and keep them working for some time, plus continue to operate through the backruptcy, which it has, it is not a waste.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Evergreen Solar: FAIL! - Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.



Again not a waste, and the company as a whole is still in operation.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ener1: FAIL! Ener1 Inc. received a $118 million U.S. Energy Department grant from President Obama to make electric-car batteries but filed for bankruptcy protection January 2012 after defaulting on bond debt.



Yet another company that is still operating, and was back by the GOP.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/26/ener1-energy-company-cliff-st
earns_n_1235141.html



Overall this list is just like you, full of a lot of shit.

You also have the fact that many of these companys are struggling because China is pouring billions into supporting their own green energy companies which means their products are cheaper.

The only way to compete against that is for the government to put money into our companies. Even Reagan understood this. That is why he poured trillions into defence and basicly outspent and banckrupted the USSR.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:04 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
As compared to sugar-daddy George's list of bank failures?



Ummm.

Most of the dates shown on this list fall during the Obama administration. Perhaps you might want to add column headings.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:12 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Azure Dynamics: FAIL! - Azure Dynamics filed for bankruptcy in June , 2012 wasting millions in Obama “Stimulus” money and received abatement on taxes owed and and several tax credits. Azure Dynamics LLC filed for bankruptcy protection in Canada and the US. Azure laid off 120 of its 160 employees in Oak Park; Boston; Vancouver, British Columbia; and the UK.



Wasted? If it was able to pay it's employees and keep them working for some time, plus continue to operate through the backruptcy, which it has, it is not a waste.

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Evergreen Solar: FAIL! - Evergreen Solar received $527 Million in Taxpayer money from Obama and filed bankruptcy in late 2011. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March, 2011 cut more than 1800 jobs. Evergreen’s $450 million factory, turned out to be a colossal “waste” of taxpayer money.



Again not a waste, and the company as a whole is still in operation.




So you support the business model of reducing staff, getting rid of unprofitable parts of the business, and reducing costs in troubled companies?

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:29 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Ah Geezer. He never said that.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:37 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Ah Geezer. He never said that.



Then he can tell me so. He did apparently approve of businesses cutting staff and closing plants to stay in business.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:00 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Then he can tell me so.

I'm sure he will. But he shouldn't have to.

Quote:

He did apparently approve of businesses cutting staff and closing plants to stay in business.

No he didn't. He contradicted and contextualised an overreaching criticism of a company's 'failure'. He never said that the company closing plants was a good thing, or evidence of success, or anything like that.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:30 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

And I'm done w/ you.




Oh, you aint done yet younging.

You're so fucking sad.



But really, you couldn't ask for a better example of his cowardice. He says he'll bail from the conversation if you don't provide citations (which is rich enough coming from HIM) and when you do - he still bails.




Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:31 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hey I don't know of any movies named Countrywide but it received all sorts of bailout money from sugar daddy Bush only to be foisted onto BofA at its point of death. And now BofA is like the weak swimmer being drowned by the drowner.





So did AIG, but you won't ever hear Rappy whining about that, either...


But I was thinking of a li'l bank called "Silverado", if anyone wanted to look up its history and the idea of a Prez "picking winners and losers".

Somehow the VP's son managed to write over $100,000,000 in bad loans, and all he got for punishment was a $50,000 fine, which was paid for by political donors to his daddy's election campaign.

I'd say that was someone trying to "pick winners" in the S&L business, wouldn't you?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:31 AM

STORYMARK


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Ah Geezer. He never said that.



Then he can tell me so.



Ah, standing by a lie. You've been learnin a lot from Romney.


Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum


"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:34 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Or, if Bush does something, and it doesn't work, then it's perfectly fine for Barry to come in after, make a bad mistake much worse, and then he's covered, because someone else did it first ?



I think you missed the obvious point, which is really not unusual for you...


Point being, when Bush and his cronies were doing exactly this kind of thing - picking "winners and losers" in the financial markets and on Wall Street - you had absolutely zero problem with it, and didn't utter a peep. You said, in fact, "The economy's ON FIRE!" and pretended all was well.

So what happened between then and now?


Oh... we elected a Democrat, that's what.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:17 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Quote:

Construction of a plant? Which plant ?
Quote:

A123 System's plant, the same company that we are talking about. Please try and follow along with the adult conversation going on or take your ass back to the kids table son.
Quote:

You've offered no cites. If you can't reply in an adult manner to a simple, basic question, then I'm done /w you.
Quote:

Citations, all you had to do was ask.
Quote:

And I'm done w/ you.

Sometimes Rap is too funny for words. Predictable; ridiculous and pathetic, but too funny for words.

Carry on with your bickering. The fact is, again, that all administrations fail at something, and arguing about which failed at what or how many or whatever is just partisan silliness. Governments do things that don't work out: ALL governments. Rap will never score "points" trying to say Obama failed more than Bush.


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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:40 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Nicely distilled Niki. That would look good in somebody's sig.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:47 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Construction of a plant? Which plant ? And how is that relevant to this issue ?






Why, Nick - how DARE you imagine that building new manufacturing facilities could EVER have any impact on a company's cash flow!







"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:14 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Ummm.

Most of the dates shown on this list fall during the Obama administration. Perhaps you might want to add column headings.



Ummm grow a brain.

Then ask yourself why those banks failed.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
So you support the business model of reducing staff, getting rid of unprofitable parts of the business, and reducing costs in troubled companies?



If they don't have other options, yes. Why? Did you somehow think I would expect a buisness to just run itself into the ground?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:11 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Point being, when Bush and his cronies were doing exactly this kind of thing - picking "winners and losers" in the financial markets and on Wall Street - you had absolutely zero problem with it, and didn't utter a peep. You said, in fact, "The economy's ON FIRE!" and pretended all was well.

So what happened between then and now?


Oh... we elected a Democrat, that's what.


And in other breaking news, the sky is blue and water is wet.

This is the way of the world Kwicko.

When Bush was president, you and other like minded members posted everything you et al thought was wrong with the administration. Auraptor and other like minded members chose to disagree.

Now Obama is president and Auraptor posts everything he thinks is wrong with the administration while you and others choose to disagree.

Why do you have a problem with the natural order of things?

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:38 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Bank failures aren't Bush's fault, by any measure.

Those belong to Frank, Dodd and the entire Democratic party.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:09 PM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
DERP....



I'm sorry don't you have replies to my arguments to write...oh that is right you are running away again!

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:39 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bank failures aren't Bush's fault, by any measure.

Those belong to Frank, Dodd and the entire Democratic party.





How's that, exactly?


Can you cite for me the exact piece of legislation, the exact section or clause, that they authored, chaired, and passed, which then caused all those banks to fail, even Silverado Savings and Loan, which collapsed in 1988?

I'd really love to know. If you have that piece of legislation handy, I think I can use it, because it is also apparently a magical time machine.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Ummm.

Most of the dates shown on this list fall during the Obama administration. Perhaps you might want to add column headings.



Get glasses, or a brain, or both. There are two dates - the date of initial FDIC declaration, and the date of final FDIC resolution.

Most recent bank failure on the list:

First Federal Bank of California, F.S.B. Santa Monica CA 28536 OneWest Bank, FSB
December 18, 2009 date of initial FDIC declaration
August 23, 2012 date of final FDIC resolution


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Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:36 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
Ummm.

Most of the dates shown on this list fall during the Obama administration. Perhaps you might want to add column headings.



Get glasses, or a brain, or both. There are two dates - the date of initial FDIC declaration, and the date of final FDIC resolution.



So where was that described in your initial post?

Quote:

Most recent bank failure on the list:

First Federal Bank of California, F.S.B. Santa Monica CA 28536 OneWest Bank, FSB
December 18, 2009 date of initial FDIC declaration
August 23, 2012 date of final FDIC resolution



Both dates well into the Obama administration. Not sure you're supporting your argument very well here.

Besides, what do banks have to do with failing renewable energy companies?

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:52 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Thanks, KPO

Nobody, for once I totally agree with you...don't fall over.


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Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:35 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Bank failures aren't Bush's fault, by any measure.

Those belong to Frank, Dodd and the entire Democratic party.





How's that, exactly?


Can you cite for me the exact piece of legislation, the exact section or clause, that they authored, chaired, and passed, which then caused all those banks to fail, even Silverado Savings and Loan, which collapsed in 1988?





Soooooo... No, then? Still haven't found it?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:17 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


The Presidency of Barack Obama began at noon EST on January 20, 2009.

First Federal Bank of California, F.S.B. Santa Monica CA 28536 OneWest Bank, FSB
December 18, 2009 date of initial FDIC declaration
August 23, 2012 date of final FDIC resolution

By January 20, 2009 the housing bubble had already imploded taking banks, insurance companies, mortgage lenders and other institutions down like collapsing dominoes, as the value of 'assets' dissolved like cotton candy.

WIKI

The United States housing bubble is an economic bubble affecting many parts of the United States housing market in over half of American states. Housing prices peaked in early 2006, started to decline in 2006 and 2007, and reached new lows in 2012.[1] On December 30, 2008 the Case-Shiller home price index reported its largest price drop in its history.[2]

Increased foreclosure rates in 2006–2007 among U.S. homeowners led to a crisis in August 2008 for the subprime, Alt-A, collateralized debt obligation (CDO), mortgage, credit, hedge fund, and foreign bank markets.[3] In October 2007, the U.S. Secretary of the Treasury called the bursting housing bubble "the most significant risk to our economy."[4]

END WIKI

Like a tsunami, the collapse created by sugar-daddy georgie continued on after he left office. But just in his time in office he took a government surplus and turned it into a deficit. Took a thriving economy and tuned it into a recession - then a depression. Took a 4.6% unemployment rate and turned it around - to 7.8% Doubled the national debt.

So, when you compare a very few 'failed' companies under Obama (and many didn't actually fail despite little rappy having them on a list) against sugar-daddy georgie's wrecking the US economy and the Federal budget - I'd have to give the prize to sugar-daddy georgie for a really big job well done.

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Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:11 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
DERP....




THIS is what passes as mature, reasonable replies by the Left.




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, October 19, 2012 3:04 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
DERP....




THIS is what passes as mature, reasonable replies by the Left.



So are you going to respond to me tearing your arguments apart or just post badly formatted responses? I mean you could at least make an effort to get something of my quote in your post instead of just a blank space.

Perhaps you had a moment of clarity and were commenting on your own BS. You should have used that moment to realize that you had side you were done with me. Guess I'm right, you're not done until I say you are done.


I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 3:38 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
The Presidency of Barack Obama began at noon EST on January 20, 2009.

First Federal Bank of California, F.S.B. Santa Monica CA 28536 OneWest Bank, FSB
December 18, 2009 date of initial FDIC declaration
August 23, 2012 date of final FDIC resolution



So the Obama administration drove First Federal Bank of California to failure in just eleven months?

See how we play?

Your argument would be more compelling if you listed banks that had filed initial declarations only, as well as final declarations - since by including ONLY banks that have filed both you end up listing ONLY banks that filed the initial declaration more than three years ago. This cleverly leaves out most banks that would have started the process during the Obama administration.

But, wait. I can do that for you.

So here's the banks that started the failure process after Jan. 20, 2011. Two years after President Obama took office.


Bank Name Closing Date Updated Date
First United Bank 28-Sep-12 11-Oct-12
Truman Bank 14-Sep-12 11-Oct-12
First Commercial Bank 7-Sep-12 11-Oct-12
Waukegan Savings Bank 3-Aug-12 11-Oct-12
Jasper Banking Company 27-Jul-12 11-Oct-12
Second Federal Savings and Loan Association of Chicago 20-Jul-12 11-Oct-12
Heartland Bank 20-Jul-12 11-Oct-12
First Cherokee State Bank 20-Jul-12 11-Oct-12
Georgia Trust Bank 20-Jul-12 11-Oct-12
The Royal Palm Bank of Florida 20-Jul-12 11-Oct-12
Glasgow Savings Bank 13-Jul-12 11-Oct-12
Montgomery Bank & Trust 6-Jul-12 11-Oct-12
The Farmers Bank of Lynchburg 15-Jun-12 10-Oct-12
Security Exchange Bank 15-Jun-12 10-Oct-12
Putnam State Bank 15-Jun-12 10-Oct-12
Waccamaw Bank 8-Jun-12 10-Oct-12
Farmers' and Traders' State Bank 8-Jun-12 10-Oct-12
Carolina Federal Savings Bank 8-Jun-12 10-Oct-12
First Capital Bank 8-Jun-12 10-Oct-12
Alabama Trust Bank, National Association 18-May-12 10-Oct-12
Security Bank, National Association 4-May-12 10-Oct-12
Palm Desert National Bank 27-Apr-12 31-Aug-12
Plantation Federal Bank 27-Apr-12 31-Aug-12
Inter Savings Bank, fsb D/B/A InterBank, fsb 27-Apr-12 31-Aug-12
HarVest Bank of Maryland 27-Apr-12 12-Sep-12
Bank of the Eastern Shore 27-Apr-12 9-Aug-12
Fort Lee Federal Savings Bank, FSB 20-Apr-12 31-Aug-12
Fidelity Bank 30-Mar-12 9-Aug-12
Premier Bank 23-Mar-12 12-Sep-12
Covenant Bank & Trust 23-Mar-12 9-Aug-12
New City Bank 9-Mar-12 9-Aug-12
Global Commerce Bank 2-Mar-12 9-Aug-12
Home Savings of America 24-Feb-12 27-Aug-12
Central Bank of Georgia 24-Feb-12 9-Aug-12
SCB Bank 10-Feb-12 9-Aug-12
Charter National Bank and Trust 10-Feb-12 9-Aug-12
BankEast 27-Jan-12 9-Aug-12
Patriot Bank Minnesota 27-Jan-12 12-Sep-12
Tennessee Commerce Bank 27-Jan-12 9-Aug-12
First Guaranty Bank and Trust Company of Jacksonville 27-Jan-12 12-Sep-12
American Eagle Savings Bank 20-Jan-12 9-Aug-12
The First State Bank 20-Jan-12 27-Aug-12
Central Florida State Bank 20-Jan-12 23-Aug-12
Western National Bank 16-Dec-11 13-Aug-12
Premier Community Bank of the Emerald Coast 16-Dec-11 12-Sep-12
Central Progressive Bank 18-Nov-11 13-Aug-12
Polk County Bank 18-Nov-11 15-Aug-12
Community Bank of Rockmart 10-Nov-11 13-Aug-12
SunFirst Bank 4-Nov-11 13-Aug-12
Mid City Bank, Inc. 4-Nov-11 15-Aug-12
All American Bank 28-Oct-11 15-Aug-12
Community Banks of Colorado 21-Oct-11 15-Aug-12
Community Capital Bank 21-Oct-11 15-Aug-12
Decatur First Bank 21-Oct-11 15-Aug-12
Old Harbor Bank 21-Oct-11 13-Aug-12
Country Bank 14-Oct-11 15-Aug-12
First State Bank 14-Oct-11 15-Aug-12
Blue Ridge Savings Bank, Inc. 14-Oct-11 15-Aug-12
Piedmont Community Bank 14-Oct-11 15-Aug-12
Sun Security Bank 7-Oct-11 15-Aug-12
The RiverBank 7-Oct-11 12-Sep-12
First International Bank 30-Sep-11 9-Oct-12
Citizens Bank of Northern California 23-Sep-11 9-Oct-12
Bank of the Commonwealth 23-Sep-11 9-Oct-12
The First National Bank of Florida 9-Sep-11 6-Sep-12
CreekSide Bank 2-Sep-11 6-Sep-12
Patriot Bank of Georgia 2-Sep-11 15-Aug-12
First Choice Bank 19-Aug-11 15-Aug-12
First Southern National Bank 19-Aug-11 6-Sep-12
Lydian Private Bank 19-Aug-11 6-Sep-12
Public Savings Bank 18-Aug-11 15-Aug-12
The First National Bank of Olathe 12-Aug-11 23-Aug-12
Bank of Whitman 5-Aug-11 16-Aug-12
Bank of Shorewood 5-Aug-11 16-Aug-12
Integra Bank National Association 29-Jul-11 16-Aug-12
BankMeridian, N.A. 29-Jul-11 16-Aug-12
Virginia Business Bank 29-Jul-11 9-Oct-12
Bank of Choice 22-Jul-11 12-Sep-12
LandMark Bank of Florida 22-Jul-11 16-Aug-12
Southshore Community Bank 22-Jul-11 16-Aug-12
Summit Bank 15-Jul-11 16-Aug-12
First Peoples Bank 15-Jul-11 16-Aug-12
High Trust Bank 15-Jul-11 16-Aug-12
One Georgia Bank 15-Jul-11 16-Aug-12
Signature Bank 8-Jul-11 12-Sep-12
Colorado Capital Bank 8-Jul-11 12-Sep-12
First Chicago Bank & Trust 8-Jul-11 9-Sep-12
Mountain Heritage Bank 24-Jun-11 23-Aug-12
First Commercial Bank of Tampa Bay 17-Jun-11 23-Aug-12
McIntosh State Bank 17-Jun-11 23-Aug-12
Atlantic Bank and Trust 3-Jun-11 16-Aug-12
First Heritage Bank 27-May-11 16-Aug-12
Summit Bank 20-May-11 16-Aug-12
First Georgia Banking Company 20-May-11 31-Aug-12
Atlantic Southern Bank 20-May-11 31-Aug-12
Coastal Bank 6-May-11 16-Aug-12
Community Central Bank 29-Apr-11 16-Aug-12
The Park Avenue Bank 29-Apr-11 16-Aug-12
First Choice Community Bank 29-Apr-11 16-Aug-12
Cortez Community Bank 29-Apr-11 12-Sep-12
First National Bank of Central Florida 29-Apr-11 12-Sep-12
Heritage Banking Group 15-Apr-11 16-Aug-12
Rosemount National Bank 15-Apr-11 16-Aug-12
Superior Bank 15-Apr-11 31-Aug-12
Nexity Bank 15-Apr-11 4-Sep-12
New Horizons Bank 15-Apr-11 16-Aug-12
Bartow County Bank 15-Apr-11 16-Aug-12
Nevada Commerce Bank 8-Apr-11 9-Sep-12
Western Springs National Bank and Trust 8-Apr-11 16-Aug-12
The Bank of Commerce 25-Mar-11 16-Aug-12
Legacy Bank 11-Mar-11 12-Sep-12
First National Bank of Davis 11-Mar-11 20-Aug-12
Valley Community Bank 25-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
San Luis Trust Bank, FSB 18-Feb-11 20-Aug-12
Charter Oak Bank 18-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
Citizens Bank of Effingham 18-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
Habersham Bank 18-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
Canyon National Bank 11-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
Badger State Bank 11-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
Peoples State Bank 11-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
Sunshine State Community Bank 11-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
Community First Bank Chicago 4-Feb-11 20-Aug-12
North Georgia Bank 4-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
American Trust Bank 4-Feb-11 12-Sep-12
First Community Bank 28-Jan-11 12-Sep-12
FirsTier Bank 28-Jan-11 12-Sep-12
Evergreen State Bank 28-Jan-11 12-Sep-12
The First State Bank 28-Jan-11 12-Sep-12
United Western Bank 21-Jan-11 12-Sep-12
The Bank of Asheville 21-Jan-11 12-Sep-12
CommunitySouth Bank & Trust 21-Jan-11 12-Sep-12
Enterprise Banking Company 21-Jan-11 12-Sep-12

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html

ETA: And note that these are still just the banks that have COMPLETED the process. Who knows how many others have made the initial filing that aren't on the FDIC list cited.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 5:00 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Geezer:
So here's the banks that started the failure process after Jan. 20, 2011. Two years after President Obama took office.



...and? Are you going to make the argument that the effects subprime mortgage crisis had already been played out in those two years? Or that the vaste amounts of toxic assests had all been removed from the books and delt with?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 5:04 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
DERP....



THIS is what passes as mature, reasonable replies by the Left.




So you're on "the Left" now?



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Friday, October 19, 2012 6:16 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


Quote:

Originally posted by Kwicko:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
DERP....



THIS is what passes as mature, reasonable replies by the Left.




So you're on "the Left" now?



He gets confused sometimes. I think he needs some more vitamin B.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 7:01 AM

GEEZER

Keep the Shiny side up


Quote:

Originally posted by m52nickerson:
...and? Are you going to make the argument that the effects subprime mortgage crisis had already been played out in those two years? Or that the vaste amounts of toxic assests had all been removed from the books and delt with?



No. Then again, neither did Kiki.

I'm noting that after two years of the Obama administration trying to fix the economy, banks are still failing at a pretty good clip.

Also noting that pretty much everyone but rabid Liberals knows that there were many causes of the sub-prime mortgage crisis, so trying to blame Bush alone is...well...pretty much a rerun of what Liberals have been doing for the past 3 years or more.

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