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"Binders full of women" -- yes, it's gone viral
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:34 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:43 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:49 AM
STORYMARK
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:14 AM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:21 AM
NEWOLDBROWNCOAT
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:23 AM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:27 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:29 AM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:36 AM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:37 AM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:39 AM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:07 AM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:46 AM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:49 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 12:14 PM
PENGUIN
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: When you're as awesome as Mitt, you don't merely have a 'little black book', you have frelling BINDERS of women!!!! Hell yeah!
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:29 PM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:14 PM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:51 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko:
Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:01 PM
Quote: This binder says it holds data, but every time I try to store scientific information in it, it rejects it and a voice booms out and says, "This binder is for women and the golden plates only". It used to hold theories and facts, but now only translations of stories about some magical beings. Oh the disappointment! I searched the inter-webs far and wide for just the right place to hide my womanly self, and I thought I had found it in this Avery binder. But, alas, I poorly misjudged the size, and durability. At only 47% durable, I could barely fit 2 feet in it before it started to give. So, what am I, a mere woman to do? Return it? Order another one? I wish the political candidate had been more specific on which proper size/shape/color of binder is best. I'm disappointed, vulnerable, and lost. Maybe putting on my apron and high heels and throwing a roast in the oven will calm and comfort me. The hubs will be home soon... This binder is only 72% as good as a binder full of men. It should only cost 72% as much! Doesn't this binder know it's place? It totally shouldn't get guaranteed contraceptive care and a right to privacy. What the heck is this little binder thinking?
Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:22 AM
Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:51 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: “I recognized that if you're going to have women in the workforce that sometimes you need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school. She said: ‘I can't be here until 7 or 8 o'clock at night. I need to be able to get home at 5 o'clock so I can be there for making dinner for my kids and being with them when they get home from school.’ So we said fine. Let's have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you.”
Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:56 AM
Quote:Pure fekkin WIN. Of course, Clinton would have totally owned both debates, hit on the moderator, and banged Romneys wife... He was slime, but MAN he had style.
Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:54 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: “I recognized that if you're going to have women in the workforce that sometimes you need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school. She said: ‘I can't be here until 7 or 8 o'clock at night. I need to be able to get home at 5 o'clock so I can be there for making dinner for my kids and being with them when they get home from school.’ So we said fine. Let's have a flexible schedule so you can have hours that work for you.” So you'd have been happier if Romney said, "No. You have to be here any time I need you. Find some other way to feed your kid."
Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:13 AM
Thursday, October 18, 2012 6:28 AM
Quote:In fairness, "binders" was most likely a slip of the tongue. But Romney said it in an effort to obfuscate and pivot from the issue at hand: equality for women. He avoided the real question, and that, and his remark, spoke volumes. Even as a slip of the tongue, this odd phrase betrays Romney's true lack of understanding, knowledge and comfort level on women's equality. And besides the binders comment, there are several problems with the story Romney told Tuesday night. First of all, it is not true. The "binder" of women's résumés was prepared before the election by the Massachusetts Government Appointments Project, a coalition of nonpartisan women's groups. When Romney won, the women -- not in binders -- gave him the résumés. Romney told that story in an effort to demonstrate how well his administration had done in hiring women. Except it didn't. A study by the University of Massachusetts and the Center for Women in Politics and Public Policy shows that the percentage of women in senior positions during his tenure actually declined. It went from 30% when Romney took office to 27% when he left and up to more than 33% after the new governor took over. Also, it boggles the mind that throughout his decades-long career in business, Romney had not come across any qualified women he could appoint to his Cabinet. The Romney campaign points to longtime aide Beth Myers, but she was not in the Cabinet. The more reasonable explanation is that diversity of gender, or any kind of diversity, was never an important tenet of corporate leadership for Romney. Which is why he did not proactively seek out the "binders full of women": Women's groups, in fact, came looking for him. All of this goes to the heart of why Romney has had such a hard time winning over the women's vote. He answered the audience member's question from the standpoint of a detached CEO who knew that he had to find qualified women to serve in his administration come hell or high water, given the vast disparity between men and women holding management positions. He must have known he would be blasted if he didn't do it. In this day and age, this should be a no-brainer. You should not ask the American people to give you a medal for hiring qualified women. The dissonance when it comes to the governor and women went even further at the debate. Romney not only couldn't answer the question about women' equality, he could not even answer a question about outlawing AK-47s without bringing up single mothers. Saying he did not believe in changing gun laws, he seemed to equate children raised by single parents with the "culture of violence." I may be wrong, but I don't think that is a good strategy to get struggling single moms to vote for you. President Obama, in contrast, answered the equality question not just from a personal standpoint as a father but also as a commander in chief who signed a bill into law that guaranteed women could receive equal pay for equal work, the Lilly Ledbetter Act. Romney conspicuously never said whether he supported that act. The president's approach was much more in synch with what women want to hear and with what all Americans know to be fair. The binders comment was even more unfortunate for Romney in that he said it in the midst of Obama's very strong showing. The president clearly showed that he had the fight, the passion and the commitment to continue to work for middle-class voters -- on jobs, on health care, on taxes, on education, on immigration and, yes, on women's issues. This all underscores Romney's inability to really connect with voters. Although he seemed to win a little more favor among women after the first debate, I predict binders of polling data as to why that movement stopped after Tuesday night. http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/opinion/cardona-binders-women/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: And I think it's good policy to encourage such employer flexibiity for mothers - it's just funny that conservatives can't seem to separate the image of a woman - even a professional, working woman - from the image of a mother, cooking and taking care of children.
Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:56 AM
Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Trust people to latch onto something and utilize the imagination they could put to use constructively into a good laugh instead. I don't begrudge them, mind you, and I think it's funny, but imagine if we could harness all this energy!!!
Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You'd be happy if he said that to a man in the same situation?
Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: You'd be happy if he said that to a man in the same situation? Now where did I say that?
Thursday, October 18, 2012 10:16 AM
Quote: Is this something that's hard for liberals to understand?
Quote: it's just funny that conservatives can't seem to separate the image of a woman - even a professional, working woman - from the image of a mother, cooking and taking care of children.
Quote:oI'm sure there were others who needed flexibility because of one reason or another. But somehow Romney thought this example showed his...compassion?...and didn't realize it wouldn't go over that well with women. That's all.
Quote: Also not the one complaining because he'd apparently notice when there were no women in the list of potential senior officials, and ask to see some resumes.
Quote: ROMNEY: Thank you. And important topic, and one which I learned a great deal about, particularly as I was serving as governor of my state, because I had the chance to pull together a cabinet and all the applicants seemed to be men. And I — and I went to my staff, and I said, “How come all the people for these jobs are — are all men.” They said, “Well, these are the people that have the qualifications.” And I said, “Well, gosh, can’t we — can’t we find some — some women that are also qualified?” ROMNEY: And — and so we — we took a concerted effort to go out and find women who had backgrounds that could be qualified to become members of our cabinet. I went to a number of women’s groups and said, “Can you help us find folks,” and they brought us whole binders full of women.
Quote: What actually happened was that in 2002 — prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration — a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor. They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected. I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I’ve checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I’ve just presented it is correct — and that Romney’s claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false. http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx
Quote: A coalition of Massachusetts women's groups says GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney did, in fact, receive binders with the names of potential female candidates for high-level positions when he was governor. But representatives of the Massachusetts Government Appointments Project note the effort, which did increase the number of women in top positions, started before Romney was elected in 2002. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/765612238/Binders-full-of-women-effort-predated-Romney.html
Quote: BOSTON - At the presidential debate last night, questions arose regarding how women candidates were identified for potential appointment to leadership roles by former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. What follows details the process that was created by the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus in 2002 to maximize opportunities for women to be considered for key roles in Massachusetts government. The Massachusetts Government Appointments Project (MassGAP) was founded under the leadership of the MA Women’s Political Caucus in 2002 to address the issue of the under-representation of women in appointed positions in Massachusetts government. MassGAP brought together a nonpartisan coalition of over 25 women's organizations to recruit women to apply for government positions within the administration, and recommend qualified women for those positions. Prior to the 2002 gubernatorial election, MassGAP approached the campaigns of candidates Shannon O'Brien and Mitt Romney and asked them both to commit to: (1).“Make best efforts” to ensure that the number of women in appointed state positions is proportionate to the population of women in Massachusetts; (2). Select a transition team whose composition is proportionate to the women in the Commonwealth; and (3). Meet with MassGAP representatives regularly during the appointments process. Both campaigns made a commitment to this process. http://www.mwpc.org/news/images/PhotoofBinder3.JPG Following the election, MassGAP formed committees for each cabinet post in the administration and began the process of recruiting, interviewing, and vetting women applicants. Those committees selected top applicants for each position and presented this information to the administration for follow-up interviews and consideration for appointment. MassGAP is proud to have the Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus as our lead sponsor and we are grateful to all of the women who have devoted their time and energy to making this project a continued success. The Massachusetts Women's Political Caucus is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization founded in 1971 to increase the number of women elected and appointed to public office and public policy positions and to maximize the participation of women of all ages in the political process.More at http://www.mwpc.org/news/featured.php
Quote: First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn't care about -- and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about -- budget, business development, etc. -- went to women. Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.) Third, note that in Romney's story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn't know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say? http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2012/10/16/mind-the-binder.aspx
Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: I don't know what is funnier, Mitt's binders full of women, or Rappy thinking we are not laughing at Mitt.
Thursday, October 18, 2012 1:20 PM
Quote:Could it be that they recognise that there are a lot of professional working women who ARE mothers
Quote:Is this something that's hard for liberals to understand?
Thursday, October 18, 2012 3:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: How about me not caring, one jot, since this entire issue is phony as hell and not registering w/ REAL America, at all ?
Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: How about me not caring, one jot, since this entire issue is phony as hell and not registering w/ REAL America, at all ? Yes, because all of the people on the internet, on the radio, and on TV talking about this are not REAL America. God you're an idiot. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man. A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
Friday, October 19, 2012 2:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: How about me not caring, one jot, since this entire issue is phony as hell and not registering w/ REAL America, at all ? Yes, because all of the people on the internet, on the radio, and on TV talking about this are not REAL America. God you're an idiot.
Friday, October 19, 2012 2:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: How about me not caring, one jot, since this entire issue is phony as hell and not registering w/ REAL America, at all ? Yes, because all of the people on the internet, on the radio, and on TV talking about this are not REAL America. God you're an idiot. Oh, they're talking about it alright( see Piers Morgan ). But not in the glowing terms YOU think. They're laughing at the Dems, who are frantically trying to phony up ANY issue to divert attention away from Obama's dismal one term, and the ever unfurling debacle that IS the Benghazi scandal. Keep it up. It's working ! ROFLMAO !!!!!!!!! " I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
Friday, October 19, 2012 2:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Quote: Also not the one complaining because he'd apparently notice when there were no women in the list of potential senior officials, and ask to see some resumes. BUT HE DID NOT! That has been detailed over and over in the news ever since he said it. What you guys choose to ignore is amazing, and I will never be able to figure out WHY!
Friday, October 19, 2012 3:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Piers Morgan is the only one I've heard talking negativly about it. You must think he is one of those REAL Americans.
Friday, October 19, 2012 3:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The fact that he's on t.v., and a Liberal, and that he's NOT an American is too gorram funny. This is how the world sees you, as " silly and facile " .
Friday, October 19, 2012 3:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: The fact that he's on t.v., and a Liberal, and that he's NOT an American is too gorram funny. This is how the world sees you, as " silly and facile " . Because oviously Morgan speaks for the world. He is also so liberal that Rupert Murdoch hired him to write and edit some of his papers. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man. A warning to everyone, AURaptor is a known liar.
Friday, October 19, 2012 4:41 AM
Quote:The biggest discrepency I can find between Romney and the sources you cite is whether he knew about the MWPC binders beforehand, or if he just got the sequence of events out of order.
Quote:I do love how you, and your cites, manage to ignore the main point of the story, which was that Gov. Romney wanted to see qualified women applying for jobs in his administration.
Friday, October 19, 2012 6:53 AM
Quote: 'Are the Republican candidates all crazy? I've lost count of the number of times over the Christmas break that people have asked me some variation of that question. Weird, mad or bonkers, whatever word they used their contemptuous dismissal was the same. We Brits have a bit of a record of patronisingly shaking our heads at American quirkiness. But the perception that there is something wrong with this year's crop of candidates isn't only across the Atlantic or confined by political persuasion. Partly, it is because they have indeed said some pretty bizarre things. {It goes on to quote Bachmann, Rick Perry, etc.}. That the debates at times have seemed like a parade of pygmies says something about the state of the Republican party. But part of it is political. Many see the candidates as far out, on the edge. It is easy to see how that happens, particularly for a British audience.Far more insightful material at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16386176] andQuote:...at the same time can-do American pragmatists acquired an unhealthy taste for ideological zeal, for religious fundamentalism more attuned to Saudi Arabia than to secular Europe and for baffling culture wars in which some people kill each other to defend the sanctity of life. In his memoirs Alan Greenspan argued that the civil rights acts broke up the old bipartisan Washington where liberal Republicans and reactionary good ole' boy Democrats softened the contours of ideological strife. Foreigners can follow that, but they're still not sure why the U.S. Constitution of 1787, which expressly separated church and state should now be required to uphold creationist “science” by its most ardent admirers. Or did I get that wrong? Yes, I know that German bankers have strong doubts about the European Central Bank (ECB) wanting to behave like a real central bank to save the euro. But they would never have called their central bankers “traitors,” as routinely happens in the Tea Party world Why, I almost forgot the European joke about the modern Tea Party being just the same as the original one in Boston in 1773. They both consist of poor people being hoodwinked into helping rich people avoid paying their taxes to the government. My how we laughed at that one, but we laugh slightly less loudly than we did. Excerpts from http://www.europeaninstitute.org/EA-September-2012/perspectives-the-us-electionas-seen-by-a-european.html Pretty well sums it up. Every country has its nut jobs, and many countries have nut jobs in government, but this past election season and the truly crazy candidates put up by the right have had the world perplexed and laughing at our idiocy.
Quote:...at the same time can-do American pragmatists acquired an unhealthy taste for ideological zeal, for religious fundamentalism more attuned to Saudi Arabia than to secular Europe and for baffling culture wars in which some people kill each other to defend the sanctity of life. In his memoirs Alan Greenspan argued that the civil rights acts broke up the old bipartisan Washington where liberal Republicans and reactionary good ole' boy Democrats softened the contours of ideological strife. Foreigners can follow that, but they're still not sure why the U.S. Constitution of 1787, which expressly separated church and state should now be required to uphold creationist “science” by its most ardent admirers. Or did I get that wrong? Yes, I know that German bankers have strong doubts about the European Central Bank (ECB) wanting to behave like a real central bank to save the euro. But they would never have called their central bankers “traitors,” as routinely happens in the Tea Party world Why, I almost forgot the European joke about the modern Tea Party being just the same as the original one in Boston in 1773. They both consist of poor people being hoodwinked into helping rich people avoid paying their taxes to the government. My how we laughed at that one, but we laugh slightly less loudly than we did. Excerpts from http://www.europeaninstitute.org/EA-September-2012/perspectives-the-us-electionas-seen-by-a-european.html
Friday, October 19, 2012 7:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Twist and turn, twist and turn. Romney SAID: "I went to a number of women’s groups and said, “Can you help us find folks,” and they brought us whole binders full of women." He did not. They offered the resumes of the women to whoever won the Governorship, he didn't go looking for them.
Friday, October 19, 2012 4:43 PM
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